User:Ingoolemo/Threads/05/12/01c
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[edit] cafe pruckl - I challenge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Caf%C3%A9_Pr%C3%BCckel
[edit] apropos cafe pruckl
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Your response is a bit generic - "If you wish to protest a deletion, you may do so at Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion. Ingoolemo talk 08:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)"
according to the link you reference, "Deletion Review is the process to be used by all editors, including administrators, who wish to challenge the outcome of any deletion debate or a speedy deletion unless:
* They are able to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question;..."
I would prefer to have a discussion with you. In what way was my entry "absolutely unencyclopedic"?
- With the exception of the first sentence (which should have been trimmed to 'It is a Viennese coffeehouse'), the article was nothing more than random musings about various things related to the coffeehouse and some advice about how to avoid a tip. An encyclopedia is a collection of knowledge in a factual, organised fashion. The musings in the article are neither factual, nor verifiable, nor relevant. Furthermore, the article suffered from a lack of context (Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Articles reason 1). Ingoolemo talk 09:09, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia's definition for "encyclopedia" includes "...The encyclopedia as we recognize it today developed in the 18th century from the dictionary. A dictionary is primarily focused on words and their definition, and typically provides limited information, analysis or background for the word defined. Hence, while it may offer a definition, it may leave the reader still lacking in understanding the meaning or import of a term, and how the term relates to a broader field of knowledge.
To address those needs, an encyclopedia seeks to discuss each subject in more depth and convey the most relevant accumulated knowledge on that subject, given the overall length of the particular work..."
I believe that I have contributed relevant knowledge. In the absence of an alternative entry for the Cafe Pruckl, my entry represents the full sum of relevant accumulated knowledge on that subject.
In specific response to your challenge (of my challenge), I fear you have misread me.
1-I never discussed avoiding a tip. I gave information on how to give an appropriate tip. I have spent hundreds of hours at this cafe, over the last 15 years. I have friends and relatives who have been visiting this cafe for decades. The tipping code in Vienna ranges around 2%. Tipping more is actually received with contempt. An overtipper is quickly recognized as an ignorant tourist.
2-My musings are arguably factual. They're based on my experience of this cafe. I'm glad to discuss, with others, who have had factual experiences of this cafe, the accuracy of my observations.
3-My musings are both verifiable and relevant. They discuss the (admittedly) subjective art of having an appropriate culturally immersive experience of this cafe. That's much more relevant than simply announcing 'It is a Viennese coffeehouse'. And my entry is verifiable, simply by going to the Cafe Pruckl, and following my advice.
4-My entry was full of context. The context of the experience of the Cafe Pruckl. In contrast to *no* entry for the Cafe Pruckl, my entry is infinitely more contextual. To address your specific reference to (Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Articles reason 1), "...Limited content is not in itself a reason to delete if there is enough context to allow expansion. Google may help in determining context, though, and allow for the article's expansion."
If you have an alternative entry, or would like to work with me to create an appropriate entry for the Cafe Pruckl, I would enjoy that. From your archives, you have extensive experience with wikipedia. I was surprised and delighted to find a gap that I could fill, in wikipedia, a resource that I use regularly and respect. Thanks for your time.
