Template talk:Infobox Automobile

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Main article: Ford Mondeo
{{Infobox Automobile
| image        = [[Image:Mondeo 1995 Verona 18TD.jpg|250px|1995 Mondeo]]
| name         = Ford Mondeo
| manufacturer = [[Ford Motor Company]]
| production   = [[1993]]–present
| class        = [[Midsize car]] (C/D-Class)
| platform     = [[Ford CDW27 platform|Ford CDW27]]
| body_style   = 5-door [[hatchback]]<br>4-door [[station wagon]]<br>4-door [[sedan]]
| engine       = [[Ford Zetec]] 1.6, 1.8, 2.0<br>[[Ford Duratec]] 1.8, 2.0, 2.5 [[V6]], 3.0 [[V6]]<br>[[Ford Endura-D]] 1.8TD<br>[[Ford Duratorq]] 2.0TD<br>[[Ford Duratorq]] 2.2TD
| transmission = [[Ford MTX-75 transmission|Ford MTX75]] (Manual)<br>[[Ford CD4E transmission|Ford CD4E]] (Automatic)
| length       = ''Mk 3'' 4731 to 4804 mm
| width        = ''Mk 3'' 1958 mm
| height       = ''Mk 3'' 1429 to 1481 mm
| weight       = ''Mk 3'' 1895 to 2335 kg
| predecessor  = [[Ford Sierra]]<br>[[Ford Telstar]]<br>[[Ford Versailles]]<br>[[Ford Royale]]
| successor    = 
| aka          = [[Ford Contour]]<br>[[Mercury Mystique]]
| related      = [[Ford Cougar|Ford/Mercury Cougar]]<br>[[Jaguar X-Type]]
| similar      = [[Renault Laguna]]<br>[[General Motors Vectra|Opel/Vauxhall Vectra]]<br>[[Peugeot 406]]<br>[[Volkswagen Passat]]<br>[[Toyota Avensis]]<br>[[Nissan Primera]]<br>[[Honda Accord]]<br>[[Citroën C5]]<br>[[Mazda 6]]
| designer     = 
}}

[edit] Empty syntax

{{Infobox Automobile
| image        = 
| name         = 
| manufacturer = 
| production   = 
| class        = 
| platform     = 
| body_style   = 
| engine       = 
| transmission =
| length       = 
| width        =
| height       =
| weight       =
| predecessor  = 
| successor    = 
| aka          = 
| related      = 
| similar      = 
| designer     = 
}}

[edit] Template:Infobox Automobile generation

I am currently working on a new sub-template for automobile generations, called Template:Infobox Automobile generation. I propose moving generation-specific information, like platform, body styles, engines, dimentsions, etc to that sub-template. --SFoskett 18:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, the generation infobox is in place at Jeep Wrangler. Thoughts? I wish it lined up nice into a single table like the old generations, but what can you do? I also think we should leave all the model-specific stuff here and in generations, since many cars only have a single generation and we don't want a sub-box unless we need one. --SFoskett 18:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Looks good, but it's missing the "Similar" entry. Regardless, I've added this template to the Dodge Durango page and am in the process of building one for the Chevrolet Nova page as well. --BRossow 00:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomenclature

I propose the following changes to the naming here:

  • Change "engines" to "engine", "body_styles" to "body_style" to simplify and make the bits parallel
  • Change "similar_cars" to "similar" since it's not all cars
  • Change "shares_with" to "related" to better reflect usage in articles

I will make these changes unless anyone objects... Thoughts? --SFoskett 18:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

OK I'm making these changes... --SFoskett 14:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Class

There does not seem to be a uniform standard on what the "class" field means. Is this field necessary, and if so what standard terminologies should be used? Shawnc 09:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it shold be kept as it's important information. However, I'll leave it to others to propose a canon of terms. --BRossow 13:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Generally, "class" is the type of vehicle, while "body_style" is the specific shape. For example, "SUV", "sports car", and "luxury car" are classes, while "4-door wagon", "2-door coupe", and "4-door sedan" are common body styles for these classes.
Here's a list of classes I can think of:
Hope this helps. --SFoskett 14:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

You should bear in mind that those classes, particularly for cars, are very US-centric. The equivalent terms in the UK would be something like:

  • Supermini
  • Small family car
  • Large family car
  • Executive car
  • Luxury car
  • Sports car
  • ??? GT would probably cover it, I suppose
  • Supercar
  • ???
  • 4x4
  • ???
  • Pickup truck
  • ???
  • MPV or people carrier
  • ???
  • Van

You certainly wouldn't use the US classes in an article on a European car. A British person would be left somewhat nonplussed by the terms "subcompact", "compact", "midsize" and "fullsize" — they'd probably assume you meant one size smaller than you intended. Likewise "minivan" suggests some sort of small commercial vehicle. SUV would probably be understood these days, but it suggests more "soft-roader" than a real 4x4 like a Land Rover. --KJBracey 21:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template colors

If the reasoning behind having this template is for consistency, is there a reason that we have the ability to specify a different "boxcolor" value? I'm just asking, but if there's no good reason I'd suggest that it be locked. If people genuinely have a problem with it and don't value consistency across articles, they can easily recreate the table format or even create a separate template. Not trying to stir up trouble but stop it before it becomes an issue. (I have an article in mind, but I'm not pointing fingers until I get some feedback here.) ⇒ BRossow T/C 18:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The template was edited as suggested. Shawnc 10:44, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I didn't really want to be the one to do it if I didn't have to, but I'm glad it was done. ⇒ BRossow T/C 17:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prices

What about adding some kind of pricing information such as the suggested retail price? This could be helpful for shoppers. On the other hand, prices can change over time. Shawnc 01:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Eactly prices change over time. Take the Lincoln Mark for example, production of the Mark ended in 1998. Prices for the different Mark from 1969 to 1998 would be irrelevant and would have to be translated into today's dollar using the inflation calculator. Signaturebrendel 01:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Price is a very significant feature of an automobile, whether for shoppers or for historical interest, and should be included in an infobox. It would be erroneous and unnecessary to correct the early prices to today's dollars. People who want to see the price of a model T are interested more in the original price, and can convert it to today's dollars themselves if they wish. Where a vehicle's price changed over the model run, it can easily be portrayed as, for instance, $21,000-$35,000, as would be done with the price range from low to high option models. If there isn't a big disagreement, I will get around to including it in the infobox after a while, so gripe now if you wish. Gzuckier 21:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Old prices can, however, be additionally helpful for those interested in the study of inflation. Shawnc 01:42, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, you have a point there, but I think they should definitely belong into the generation table. I'll post this on the Wiki auto project discussion page. Signaturebrendel 02:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I recently posted this topic on the Wiki auto project discussion page, as I mentioned above. The discussion came to the conclusion that mentioning price in the infobox, while being a good idea, would be to difficult a task to complete. For more information visit the Wiki Auto talk page. Thanks. Regards, Signaturebrendel 18:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree price must appear in the automobile page, indicating the date. --Mac 08:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

<indent reset> I'm with SB on this. What price? US dollars? The 'similar' field causes enough parochial editing as it is without introducing something as regionalised as currency-related info. It's especially dodgy given that cars cost different amounts in different markets, so even if the reader's willing to do a conversion from one currency to another they're still not necessarily going to get the right info. The only way to provide encyclopedic info is to provide prices for all markets the cars are sold in, and that'd lead to an infobox which was absolutely gigantic. --DeLarge 09:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it should be included. Instead, if someone wants to, they should create a section and a table listing different region prices in local currency. To include a price in the infobox wouldn't be very worldly unless it was huge, which wouldn't be good.Riguy 01:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] See also

[edit] Car safety

I don't know if this will be controversial, but I'd like to see car safety ratings in the infobox - NTSB and/or EuroNCAP and/or any other relevant tests. --Singkong2005 08:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually that's a good idea. Signaturebrendel 22:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Put it now in the Infobox --Mac 08:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parent company

After quite a few debated I went ahead and added a cell space for "Parent company." Signaturebrendel 22:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stablemates?

What in the world is this field for? Unless somebody explains within a reasonable time, I am deleting it. Bravada, talk - 09:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

It's like a week and nobody cared to explain, so I'm deleting it. Bravada, talk - 22:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead, the termonolgy is very unspecific and to vague for an encyclopedia. Signaturebrendel 06:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Car engine

In the generated output, the 'engine' field header is a link to Car engine, which in turn redirects to Internal combustion engine. This isn't really appropriate for an electric car like the Tesla Roadster, which currently uses this infobox. Suggestions? I could write a real article for Car engine, including a link to 'Internal combustion engine' and a description about electric alternatives, but I'm not sure 'engine' is an appropriate term for an electric motor anyway. Should we just not use this template for the Tesla? --Steve Pucci | talk 20:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I am wondering whether this would not belong better as a section of the automobile article. Besides, does this field description really need to link anywhere? I believe most of the readers do have more or less of an idea what an automobile engine is. I'd say rather the wheelbase or front/rear tracks and such could use a link to a description. Cheers, Bravada, talk - 22:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Agree, most readers do know what an Automobile engine is, and those who want to know more can always have a look at the coresponding article. Termonology that the "average" reader, those who arn't auto-afficianados, should feature wiki links. Regards, Signaturebrendel 06:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Track

Instead of front track or rear track, I suggest use simply track.

[edit] Caption?

Can somebody add an image caption parameter to this infobox? —Chowbok ☠ 18:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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