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[edit] question

Hi,

Thanks for your contributions to the baseball articles. I'm just questioning how useful it is to add the career statistics/leadership rankings to the articles though. In my opinion, it doesn't seem necessary for an encyclopedia article, and every entry already has a link to baseball-reference.com anyway. What do you think? Mattingly23 12:34, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Mattingly23,

While I would agree in general that baseball statistics would cause unnecessary clutter in an encyclopedia, I feel that one of the main advantage of wikipedia.com is the lack of limits on space and the ability to expand the scope of the encyclopedia beyond similar projects. While the statistics are not necessary per se, they provide a useful shorthand that explicates most of a player's career without having to write it out in wordy paragraphs. Therefore, rather than tracking team movements in articles, for example, one can just refer to the statistic block if one is curious about where a player played when. As for the leadership rankings, they do a better job of showing who was dominant (or not) in a more elegant manner, than trying to compile a complete list of accomplishments (which is why in the articles I have edited on baseball I hit only the highlights in the text). For a general encyclopedia like Britannica or (shudder) Encarta, this information is superfluous since no matter how much you or I like baseball, it is not very important in the grand scheme of life, the universe, and everything. However, I believe the presence of statistics for players in a sport that seems to revolve around them so much is appropriate and useful. That being said, this is a community project, and if consensus were to dictate that stats must go, I would act accordingly. That was probably more answer than you wanted. I apologize for my wordiness; it is an outgrowth of my passion for the sport.

Indrian 15:18, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)

p.s. While it is true there are links to baseball-reference.com on most pages, I personally feel that baseball statistics are important enough to the biography of a player that this information deserves to be on-site content and should not be dependant on whether another site exists or not (though I do conceed that baseball-reference.com is not likely to disappear anytime in the near future).

Thanks for your reply. You bring up good points to include statistics in articles. I wish there was some sort of baseball committee that could bring some order to the articles, for example, agree that all articles should or should not have a statistics chart, or certain categories should or should not exist. I just don't see a lot of uniformity in baseball player bio's and it would be nice if contributors could agree on a standard. Do you think it would be possible/advantageous to try to form such a committee? Do other sections have things like that, or is it not how wikipedia is supposed to work? I'm new here so I'm not sure how such things work. - Mattingly23 16:47, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I am also fairly new here, so I do not know much, but I believe there is a method through which it is possible to give general guidelines and suggestions on how certain pages should be maintained called WikiProject (just type that into search and you should find it). I am going to be out of touch for the next few days, but after that I would certainly be interested in looking into this matter further. I agree that it would be nice to at least provide a few general guidelines if it has not been done already. Indrian 17:46, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
I looked at some of the wikiprojects and I think it would be a useful think to do. Having something like an 'infobox' (like Wikipedia:WikiProject_snooker) for standard biographical info would be a good way to keep standard things consistent. I'll talk to a few other users who seem to be pretty active in the baseball section if they would be interested in working on something like this too. - Mattingly23 22:36, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Not much progress actually. I've tried messaging some people who seem to contribute a baseball articles but nobodys even replied one way or the other...and that was like a week ago. I messaged User:MusiCitizen and User:Matty_j and I think some others later on. Is there anyone that you know who would be willing to work on this as well? I don't think 2 people is really enough to ge this done. - Mattingly23 23:02, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I am sorry to hear that. I unfortunately do not know of anyone who could help. Indrian 23:05, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Indrian, I had been thinking about working on a template for a while myself now and started a project to find a standard template that could be used for all players. It is wide-open and there is plenty to discuss. Feel free to play with it as you please. Yardcock 19:22, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I will check that out sometime in the next few days. Indrian 00:35, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Pharoah

Thanks for your edits to Pharoah. You may not have noticed, but I recently copied the page to Pharoah/Temp to clean it up (largely making the mark-up consistent) before replacing the existing version. I'm not done with the clean up, but the top and the bottom sections are more-or-less there; I just need to finish the middle (which it inevitably the largest part!). I should be grateful if you would look over the new page: for example, I was not aware of the misspellings, so any factual corrections would be very welcome. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:31, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] How did you run across User:Dpbsmith/Billion?

I guess I am curious about one thing, in regard to your accidental listing of User:Dpbsmith/Billion on VfD. What I don't understand is... how did you happen to find it in the first place? I haven't made any links to it that I'm aware of, and a normal Go turns up the normal Billion article, so I figured it was effectively private space, and that people probably wouldn't ever run across it unless they were specifically looking for it. How did you find it? Just curious. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 01:19, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, once again I am sorry for my mistake. The reason I found it is because you have a complete article there including a category listing at the bottom of the page. This category link places your page on the page Category:Integers, which I happened to visit. It was your page's appearance on that page that made me believe that this was some kind of weird botched edit rather than a user subpage. You may want to remove the category from your page until you actually publish it. Indrian 14:05, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse

Why did you tag this for speedy deletion? Postdlf 23:50, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hugh Laurie

D'oh!! Speedy deletion approved! :-) Adambisset 00:19, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hugh Laurie? --Rebroad 18:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] "I am probably opening up a big, ugly can of worms..."

You know, one of the things I have gradually learned is that when I find myself about to start a sentence with the words "I probably shouldn't say this, but..." I probably shouldn't say it.

Yes, I think you probably did open up at least a medium-sized, not-very-attractive can of lumbricids.

Did you check the article history and notice that this was an article that had already survived VfD, and by a very healthy margin?

I think it was unwise to relist this and gives ammunition to the rabid inclusionists who imply (falsely) that it common tactic for deletionists to get their way by unfairly listing articles on VfD over and over again. I also think that when relisting an article that has survived VfD, a specific reason should be given, saying what has changed and why the outcome might be expected to be different this time.

Not really a big deal though, because it should be OK to bring up dubious things in VfD. It's not a death sentence, it's not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it's not preponderance of the evidence, it's... "take a look at this, what do you think." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 14:49, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The Quartermaines Family Tree

I have seen that you have done nothing to imporve or Contribute to the the Soaps so why have you posted a Deletion Notice over my work.


[edit] Moanalua not the only school orchestra to perform at carnegie

Look at the symphony orchestra entry on this page. I just thought that since you had identified that quality of Moanalua as what made it just barely notable, you might be interested in the fact that it is not unique in having played at carnegie. Posiduck 06:37, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] My User Page

Please keep all of your comments/responses on my talk page, and not my user page proper. I've moved your comments to my talk page. See my talk page for response to what you wrote. Posiduck 00:39, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 5 Billion Articles

On Posiduck's page, you mention that it is infeasable for Wikipedia to have this number of articles. Most articles have no pictures, and are under 40 k. That means 1,000,000 of them could fit on a 40 GB hard drive, like this one, which costs about $60. Now, to bring that number up to 5 billion would multiply it by a factor of 5000, making the cost approximately $300,000, certainly an achievable goal, expecially when you consider that Wikipedia is not nearly there yet and storage space is growing ever cheaper. Wikipedia's main expenses involve maintiaining the server, and, while this does grow slightly with Wikipedia's size, is a far less than proportional growth. --L33tminion 16:38, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Village Pump Proposal

Indrian, I would like your input on my proposal (or some variant of my proposal) on the village pump. Thank you. Posiduck 23:14, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New France Sovereign Council

Hi! When marking pages for speedy delete, make sure to check their history to see that they were not just blanked.

Otherwise good work with the markings :).

Thue | talk 20:34, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Opposition to Castro

Could you have another look at Opposition to Castro? I'm not sure what it was like when you looked at it (I gather is started out very POV), but at this point it looks to me like the nucleus of a good article. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:18, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

I've been monitoring your activities and would like to congratulate you on your perserverence in patrolling RC for deletion candidates amongst other things. Would you accept a nomination for adminship, thereby granting you the ability to delete these pages yourself? I would very much like to do this if you would accept. :) -- Grunt   ҈  01:19, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)

It is done. You should probably go sign off on the nomination at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Indrian. And don't let the edit counters get to you, please :) (hmm. I wonder why I was logged out there.) -- Grunt   ҈  17:40, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)

[edit] vfd

Hello, I've seen that you've contributed some great work to Wikipedia and have experience with vfd. There's currently a vfd on a particular song? Can you please help by voting? Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/La La. Cheers. .:. 16:50, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy

Hi there. I don't think that Bimbo is a speedy...it seems encyclopedic enough to me. Maybe it should be send to VfD? Thanks. -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 01:11, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that- yeah, it was a speedy before. Good job for catching that one...looks like the anon was testing the wiki and didn't understand what e should write. I don't agree with what I said about VfD though...I think it could be expanded more. Sorry for the misunderstanding :) -[[User:Frazzydee|Frazzydee|✍]] 01:18, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Election articles

In the VfD on the longest article, you wrote that it needed "some Stalinist-like purges ..., and every single subpage needs to be deleted or at least redirected...." I agree that there are problems with 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities. I thought that, instead of purging, rebuilding from scratch would be the way to go. To that end, I started 2004 U.S. election voting controversies, which is an attempt to give an encyclopedic summary of the matter. My preference would be that an article like that one replaces the article now being VfD'd. Evidently you and I disagree about the daughter articles; I envision that the summary article will include multiple links to cleaned-up daughter articles that would present some of the very detailed information now in the omnibus article. Putting that issue aside, though, I'd be interested in your comments on the attempt at a summary article. Is that sort of what the article would look like after the Stalinist-like purges? JamesMLane 18:47, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words about 2004 U.S. election voting controversies. While I favor having daughter articles, as the best way to accommodate all the detailed information that we have without cluttering that summary article, I do agree with you that the daughter articles should try to be "concise and relevant" as well. JamesMLane 04:19, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)


[edit] Kents Hill School

Hello Indrian. The article on Kents Hill School has been refactored and expanded, with additional work underway. I'd like to believe that the fact this is one of the oldest continuously operating co-ed schools in the nation makes a fair case for notability, as it was established in 1824. In any case, I was hoping you would revisit the issue and reconsider your vote. Thank you for your time -- [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 22:10, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Everyking RfC

Hi, I noticed you said you did a lot of background research into this dispute on VfD, and as such, I thought it might be worth it if you could chip in at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Everyking, since anyone who's immersed themselves in this should know a thing or two about the dispute. Even though you weren't involved, you can still endorse the RfC and one or more outside viewpoints. Johnleemk | Talk 14:25, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] King Ho CHEUNG

Just thought you might like to know in case you missed it that User:kinghocheung has recreated this page despite your advice. Indrian 22:50, Jan 19, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Oh well, you win some you lose some, looks like the original VfD is still up and running so we can just keep using that. --fvw* 23:00, 2005 Jan 19 (UTC)

[edit] Pardon me for asking...

I do not understand why you have given Timeline of fictional future events and Timeline of fictional historical events vfds. Could you please explain why you have labeled them as such? --DXI 22:27, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion discussion

I appreciate your frank discussions concerning deletion policy. No offense is taken - and equally, none is intended. Happy editing! --Centauri 23:38, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rebel Troop Carrier

I'm perfectly happy with the redirect, thanks for writing though, Intrigue 18:41, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Henry Moore

Thanks for your copyedits on Henry Moore. I'm often blind to these sorts of errors when re-reading an article after editing. I should put a note on my user page that articles I've had a hand in are probably fertile ground for copyeditors. It also shows that WP:FAC isn't as careful as it should be.  :)   -- Solipsist 21:26, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Climatron image

Thanks for adding that picture – we've been needing it for both the MBG and geodesic dome articles. -- Kbh3rd 19:51, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Keller Junior High School

Hi Indrian, could you please reconsider your vote for the above article on VfD? Thanks a million... =) --Andylkl 11:27, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/La Shawn Barber

Hi Indrian, could you please vote keep on the above article on VfD? Members of a secret, but vast left wing conspiracy is trying to delete topics that do not conform to their political views. Thanks =) You Belong 00:38, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Star wars test case on VfD

Hi there! Please read WP:FICT rather than making test cases. It's usually easier to merge the articles than to put them through the VfD process. Yours, Radiant_* 13:22, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting Star Trek races articles

I took exception to your deletion of the Gorn article and turning it into a redirect to List of Star Trek races. I can see it being done with obscure races that have insubstantial articles, but "Gorn" in particular was quite detailed and had a fairly long history. I have reverted this change and recommend that you go through the Votes for Deletion protocol rather than doing such deleting. I have started a discussion topic about this on the talk page at Star Trek if you wish to discuss this further. I have noted you have done this wih a number of races and I would expect reverts to occur either by me or by others in short order, particular with regards to articles on Horta and a few others like El Aurian. 23skidoo 01:50, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:FICT

After reading your reply to User:Radiant! at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Eclipse II and your recent merging of articles (and the above two topics on your talk page), I was troubled to find Radiant was the only editor of WP:FICT and is the only one using it as policy on VFD votes. I find no discussion for this "policy", so please go to Wikipedia talk:Fiction and let's start it. Cburnett 02:11, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

  • Cburnett is mistaken. WP:FICT has a large consensus behind it (linked from there), I never claimed it to be policy, and I am not the only person using it. Radiant_* 14:27, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ice and Fire tournaments

Could you wait a bit, until it's quite finished? Before that, I'd like to keep it in my user space.

(On the other hand, by placing the material on Wikipedia I retain no rights whatsoever, so you can copy, edit, and do with it what you want. However, an acknowledgement is of course appreciated.)

Turning this over, would you be adverse to transforming your encyclopedia into a Wiki? We are discussing this right now on the ezboard, and you work so far would be a strong foundation for a wikicities. (Note that by doing so, you would also lose all control and copyright of the material, which may not be what you want.) Arbor 05:46, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Indrian -- I understand full well about not wanting to wikify your encyclopedia (of course, I would be thrilled if you changed your mind in the future, so that a wikicities site could start off in good shape...). The main reason to put a hold on my tournament article is that I want to fact-check it one more time (especially, the dates), and make up my mind about how the champions should be displayed (currently, it's sometimes a list item, sometimes in the body text.) In it's current state, I am not sure all the information is correct, so it shouldn't spread. (Actually, why don't I just put some proper template on it, to warn people about possible inaccuracies.) By the way, if you want to add/edit to that article, then by all means to ahead! Arbor 07:08, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Indrian -- the tourney page is now in the main namespace, Tourneys in A Song of Ice and Fire. I fixed a few details and believe most things are correct now, thanks for your patience. Now you can improve, edit, steal, vandalise it all you want! Arbor 12:26, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moe Berg

Hi, I saw the Berg edits you made (I did the major rewrite) and they were all good except the one about the State Department ordering Berg to film Tokyo Bay. From his books, it appears that he did that on his own and only when he joined the OSS did it ever come out that he even had such a movie. Could you identifiy you source for this fact. Thanks! Gorrister 11:12, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sandy Koufax

Hi, you did such a great job editing my Moe Berg rewrite, I was hoping you could do the same for my Sandy Koufax rewrite. Thanks. Gorrister 22:56, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Marjorie Pay Hinckley

I saw no consensus there. Even RickK's nomination suggested perhaps a merge was the best option. I saw two keeps and four deletes, and one non-vote, all valid, which I don't consider consensus, and second opinions from more seasoned admins than I concurred. "When in doubt, don't delete." So for lack of consensus I would have kept; this was not a clear delete. However, as an editor who believes in not leaving messes around for others to clean up, I merged it myself, as seems to be what frequently happens to such articles. If you're still strongly opposed to my action, someone else's judgment may well be different. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 20:32, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You could go ask for an opinion on Wikipedia: Administrators' noticeboard. I stand by my decision; mere majority is not consensus. Others may well disagree. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 21:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not at all speaking for Mindspillage, especially since I'm a thousand miles away right now... I really don't see how your justify your position on this matter. Since you believe that Mindspillage should have deleted, why are you complaining about the outcome? The article was deleted. That material from the article was merged is something that any editor can do and has *nothing* to do with the VFD. In the VFD process a vote to merge is basically a 'vote to delete' which requests a little additional work be done to another article first (it is a vote for delete with a prereq). It's pretty obvious to me, without discussing it with her, that her read of the votes was that without including the vote to merge as a delete that there wasn't a strong enough consensus, but if it is included (by conducting the merge) then there was enough votes to warrant the delete. That she went ahead and did the merge herself is something we should thank her for, not complain about. --Gmaxwell 02:46, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I voted delete on this issue but it has only recently been brought to my attention, by accident, that the article was not deleted, even though there was a majority to do so. I find it puzzling such a decision has been reached. There are a number of anomalies in the VfD process which needs reviewing. I will bring them up on the VfD discussion page. Megan1967 05:37, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki has cabals

Howdy,

Indrian, it is sad but true but the wikipedia project does have certain petty cabals that form and engage in self protection. School inclusionists who organize to save every school, Islamosympathisers trying to make wikipedia safe for islam. Deletionist/Mergist admins who back support everyother. To me inclusionism is the only safe path, because all other paths result in the loss of information and destruction of work. Klonimus. 129.10.104.139 02:09, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ohio Womens Methodist Seminary

Hi Indrian,

Can you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Ohio_Womens_Methodist_Seminary

I think the content should be deleted and merged with Ohio Wesleyan Female College. What do you think?Jni05 03:25, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] GNAA FAC

I was wondering what information you would like to see added to the article. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:57, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FAC comment

I very much appreciate the kind comments. They've certainly helped my wikistress :-) It does mean a lot for good editors to recognise that I'm none of those things! Ta bu shi da yu 03:52, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] redirects

Some of your recent redirects have attracted some discussion, I'm not sure if you were informed. The discussion is over here. --fvw* 04:50, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Hi. Let me point this out: The articles you reverted do in fact contain information that is not already found on the archery page, namely birth dates. In addition, they are part of categories. My view is therefore that redirects should be avoided. I will try adding information here and there to make them more "worthy" of inclusion. Punkmorten 00:20, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] John Kerry revert

Hi, Indrian. I was the first to revert the anon's edits on John Kerry a few minutes ago. I reverted because a lot of good content was deleted without discussion, not because the editor was an anon. I don't go around reverting people just because they're anons. sɪzlæk [ +t, +c, +m ] 04:41, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Recent OWU reverts

Hi, Indrian. I see you too have a history of reverting without discussions in other pages as well. I kindly ask you to suggest changes that involve removal of information in the talk page of the OWU article prior to uniliterally removing them. For example, you should offer to discussion why you think the Facebook survey fails to objectively measure the political climate on the OWU campus. There will be users who will be in favor or against your suggestion but just because you think that something is not a good idea does not necessarily make it a bad idea. This applies to your anti-gay related statements, the facebook reference and the activism section on the OWU article. You may have a good point that they do not belong there or need work and you should duscuss these changes.

I will post a comment and a request for mediation as you appear to be doing your own thing in the past 2 days. I think it will be a good idea to discuss and refrain from changes for some time.

Faria 12:40, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Facebook

Approximately 90% of current OWU students are part of facebook. Could you explain why you think the 10% who are not present are demographically different from the 90% who decide to sign up? Or why their political leanings are systematically different from these in the chart? I graduated 2 years back and I think they are pretty accurate. I didn't create the chart but I think but it is a very good one. I appreciate your qualifications from your last post in my talk page. Faria is my first name and I have yet to see a male named Faria even if it not a U.S. name. Faria 05:15, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute resolution

Hi Indrian:

I suggest we post our differences on the talk page of Ohio Wesleyan about the three issues that emerged and see what other users have to say. I respect your opinion and I merit to proceeding by soliciting more feedback from other users on our differences on the three issues. Thoughts? Have a good night! Faria 05:34, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your input is requested

at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roflcopter (again). — Phil Welch 23:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Burlington Transit

Hellllo. The Burlington Transit article was recently "reinstated" after your merge with Burlington, Ontario a while back. I don't see any reason for the change so I left a note on the reinstating user's talk page. I'm confused as to why it needed to be reinstated, and I wish there could have been some discussion about it first. Was there any special reason that the transit page was merged in the first place? I think there are just the obvious reasons... right now the Burlington Transit article is pretty trivial when the important info could just be listed on Burlington's page. Ah whatever... Mrtea (talk) 23:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Turin section removal

I would like to challenge your removal of the section on "Turin vs Torino". This IS a major issue right now and may even change what people call the name of the city in English in the future (see the National Geographic I had linked in the section). Also, I added the section with the hopes of alleviating inevitable revert wars. Please let me know what you think. If you do not respond, I will assume you don't mind me readding the section. Please respond on my talk page.

JonMoore 02:05, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Yeh, it doesn't seem to be happening. It did happen at least a couple of times earlier.

I realize that it's not a hugely important issue (which is why I put the section towards the bottom). I mostly wanted to address the issue because, well, all of a sudden everyone is calling the city Torino in English. I'm somewhat of a traditionalist, and do hope that it stays at the original English name, but...whatever happens happens. I didn't readd the section immediate;y because I wanted to see if it WOULD make any dofference. Anyway, whatever works... JonMoore 02:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I removed the speedy delete tag on John Fine

Hi Indrian. I've remove the speedy delete tag you added to John Fine see my explanation on Talk:John Fine. Paul August ☎ 05:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Another admin FCYTravis has now deleted the article. Paul August ☎ 14:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smooth function

Hi. I removed the cleanup tag from that article as you did not write on the talk page or in the subject line what you think is wrong with the article, and the article looks OK to me. I would suggest you share your concerns on the talk page, and then we may consider making necessary fixes to the article. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away

You once wrote regarding the Sollog article, "Delete. Whenever a group of vandals get together in an attempt to destroy the VFD process, it confirms in my mind that the topic in question should go."

I was wondering if you might still be interested in seeing the Sollog article deleted, or perhaps moved (with talk pages) to BJAODN? A number of editors have now suggested that this article does not deserve to be on Wikipedia because Sollog is a non-entity whose only claim to fame is that he annoying trolled on Usenet and Wikipedia in order to gain attention and draw links to his deathporn sites. A couple of people now have agreed that moving it to BJAODN might be a good idea. If you are still interested in the Sollog article at all, even if your opinion has changed, I would appreciate your comments at Talk:Sollog under the section "An idea for Vivaldi: move this entire thing to BJAODN". Thanks for your time and consideration. Vivaldi 00:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Red Ames?

Hey, I saw that you have been active in editing the page for Red Ames. I was wondering if you have any connection to him at all. He's my great-great-grandfather, so I'm just curious. Lefteh 23:03, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RelentlessRouge: Star Destroyer

Why did you remove the Acclamator and other class cruisers?

RelentlessRouge 22:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Thnx for answering my comment so promptly. Anyway, the Acclamator was a predecessor to the Imperator-class. According to Star Wars Episode II: Cross-Sections, it was produced by Rothana Heavy Engineering, a subsidary of Kuat Drive Yards, which produced the ImpStar. It was also the first vessel to sport the Delta Zero planetary bombardment, a capability shared by the ImpStar.

[edit] Most Confusing High Tech Words

You tagged this as a repost. Could you please give me the exact title of the text that was previously deleted? It doesn't seem to be at this specific location. - Mgm|(talk) 12:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gnutella Developers Forum

Just a friendly reminder to use an edit summary when proposing deletion for an article. Edit summary usage is always good, but it is especially important that edit summaries are used when proposing deletion. The reason for this is that articles proposed for deletion that later have the {{prod}} tag removed should not be proposed for deletion again, but rather sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. The only easy way to check if an article was previously proposed for deletion is to look at the edit history and the edit summaries people have left before. Thanks! Mangojuicetalk 04:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Umbranet, which you proposed for deletion. I am leaving this message here to notify you about it. I feel the article does describe the importance of the subject, and I can see potential controversy in its deletion. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to it, as Proposed deletion is only for non-controversial deletion. Instead, feel free to list the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Mangojuicetalk 05:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to VandalProof!

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[edit] Unitary transform redirect

Hi Indrian

I noticed that you had replaced the page that I wrote on unitary transform with a redirect to linear transformation. Can you explain why you made this change? A unitary transform is a specific type of linear transformation. All unitary transforms are linear transformations but the converse is not true. For example, a scaling of a vector by a constant factor is a linear transformation but is not a unitary transformation. I originally created this page because I had been reading an article in which the term unitary transform had been used and I didn't know what it meant without some research on the web. The short article serves as a definition The page on linear transformation does not contain a definition of the term unitary transformation and so would not help a reader in my original situation.

Is it OK to revert the edit?

--Markgforbes 07:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Upon review I agree that there are too many pages on this topic but have changed the redirect to a more relevant article: unitary transformation rather than linear transformation.

--Markgforbes 00:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uncivil comments by Indrian

"I just wanted to give you a heads up that you may run into difficulties down the line from a rather unpleasant user named Faria who resisted my own attempts to whip this page into shape some time ago (the history of this can be found throughout both the talk page and history page for the OWU article)"

With this kind of judgemental comments mentioning the word "unpleasant", you only display your own unprofessional manners and demeanor. As you might be aware, Wikipedia has no tolerance for this kind of attitude and I will alert relevant administrators about your comments. Faria 17:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burlington Center Mall compromise

There might be a compromise breakthrough at the above discussion in which you recently participated. Drop by and give your two cents, if you wish. youngamerican (talk) 13:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don Denkinger

The top five reasons why Don Denkinger shouldn't be held as the prime scapegoat for why the St. Louis Cardinals lost the 1985 World Series are relevent (I don't understand your logic). If they weren't then that particular show wouldn't have done an entire episode focusing on his mistake. The whole point of the program concerned his actions in Game 6 and the immediate after-effects. TMC1982 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The purpose I believe of bringing up Vince Coleman's injury is that had he not going injured prior to the World Series, then maybe St. Louis would've had an easier chance at beating the Royals (rather than having the series to to seven games). Thus, Don Denkinger's call in Game 6, in a close ballgame wouldn't have been such an issue. The Cardinals if I remember correctly, blew a 3 games to 1 lead, so Cardinal fans shouldn't use Denkinger's call as the ultimate deciding factor. TMC1982 19 June 2006 (UTC)

The "Call" in the 1985 World Series is the most significant moment in umpire Don Denkinger's career. If you don't think that the reasons why Cardinals fans shouldn't hold his actions completely responisible for why they lost that World Series, then (as I previously mentioned) wouldn't have focused an entire episode surrounding "The Call." I guess, you're in favor of not listing the reasons why we shouldn't blame Bill Buckner (who like Don Denkinger, is primarily known for a single mistake at first base during the sixth game of a World Series from the 1980s) for why the Red Sox lost the World Series a year later. And another thing, confusion surrounding "The Call" is generally regarded as the key moment for which the Royals gained momentum (or the momentum shifted in their favor). By God, do you even know anything about the game of baseball!?TMC1982 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Just because I don't agree with you're point of view and I can't seem to making you think otherwise, doesn't make things "uncivil" if you ask me! Now as for things such as the NLCS. I believe the point was that hadn't the Dodgers made certain moves, then they likely would've gone to the World Series. And had a similar controversy arupted with one of the umpires, then the Cardinals fans wouldn't have minded since it didn't happen against their team. As for Vince Coleman, like I said before, had he played in the World Series, the Cardinals would've arguably had a better shot at winning the World Series (thus, Denkinger's call in the late innings in a close ballgame like Game 6 probably wouldn't have been much of an issue). TMC1982 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getyourcontent.com

I see you've AfDd Getyourcontent.com. If you look at the talk page, you'll see that I've been trying to work with him to see if he can meet WP:WEB guidelines. Not a big deal, but I would like to have given him a day or two to see if he could have come up with something before I threw him into the AfD mill. --GraemeL (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VFD

What's with nominating everything you see for deletion? can you stop, please? the article i wrote is not even 5 minutes old, and you nominate it. User:Raccoon Fox • Talk 16:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not put personal attacks on others, but i don't see the point of nominating something for deletion before the article is even finished being written! besides, it is an act of vandalism to nominate something within 3 days of being created. User:Raccoon Fox • Talk 16:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, then i'll have to bring that up. User:Raccoon Fox • Talk 16:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject ASOIAF

A new WikiProject on A Song of Ice and Fire has been created. If you're interested in helping define its methods and goals, check it out. Brendan Moody 06:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Time Traveler Convention

I don't want you to think I'm being sneaky, so I am writing to inform you I notified editors to the article you have nominated for deletion about the AfD, in case they want to contribute to the discussion or add new edits to the article to help assert notability. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page, if you need to. Thanks! PT (s-s-s-s) 18:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Skyscrapers in Windsor, Ontario

I understand why you want to take out the apartment buildings, even with LeGoyeau's unique design, which makes it stand out on the riverfront.

However, the Windsor Downtown Travelodge Hotel shouldn't be deleted. Would you delete the Waldorf-Astoria (owned by Hilton Hotels), or the Renaissance Center (which is owned by competitor Marriott)? User:Raccoon Fox • Talk 21:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Windsor, Ontario building AfDs

In closing as I did, I basically left it as an editorial decision. If the content is deemed notable enough to get some sort of mention in the main article, then not deleting the individual building ones allows that to happen without having to re-write them. However if the content is not notable enough then the redirect is effectively the same as deleting the article anyway (and I'd certainly resist anyone trying to revert the building articles away from a re-direct). I could have closed those as delete, but I think my closure was still within the area of administrator discretion (remembering that afd is not a vote). Petros471 09:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah you're right, the 75% figure is pretty high for afd consensus (I usually use around the 66% if I'm even attempting to vote count). Basically that exact wording was copy+pasted as one of my standard closing statements, I could have probably done a better one for those (at least for the ones that actually were 75%, IIRC one of them had two keeps and therefore lower than that overall) and said something like 'basically consensus to delete but still redirecting because...'. Petros471 23:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cincinnati Reds

You added back in the word openly and state that "most historians agree" that other teams paid their members under the table but I don't see any reference to it. Mfields1 17:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Empire AfD

I'm more than happy to explain my closing as no concensus.

Accounting for the votes that give reasoned explainations, the AfD was split between Keep and Delete.

I discounted comments that WP:NOT a game guide; the article is not such. A game guide explains methods of advancement in the game (Get A and B, follow X for Z results), the article discusses actual game play. I'm not a fan of such articles, I am obliged by the deletion policy to follow the community. This AfD had no concensus for deletion. Please let me know if you have any true problems with this, thank you for notifying me. Teke(talk) 04:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

  • When no concensus is deamed, you are invited to relist the article in AfD. Please AGF with me that there is no personal bias regarding the article. I am not a gamer, no do I care one way or the other. My decision regarding the opinions was purely based on what defines a game guide; and I am a policy and process wonk :). By all means, relist and refer to the previous AfD and my closing decision- critique away! That's why just about anything is reversible on the 'pedia. Happy editing to you! Teke(talk) 05:02, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
  • You have not offended me at all. I appreciate review of my closing. Keep doing good work! Teke(talk) 05:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New baseball article improvement drive

Baseball Greetings fellow WikiProject Baseball member! Just a quick note: there is now an article improvement drive just for baseball-related articles at WP:BBAID. Please take a look and vote on an article or add one of your own. Once an article has been agreed upon, feel free to stop by and lend a hand in getting it to featured article status. Hope you can participate! —Wknight94 (talk) 01:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The OWtsiders page

Apologies for reverting the page yesterday. I didn't see the formal VFD page. WikiprojectOWU 19:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Whyte (hoax?)

Quite simply, hoaxes are not speediable unless they are blatant enough to rise to the level of vandalism. You are welcome to nominate the article for AFD, where it may be a slamdunk; however the author's second article seems to have some basis in truth, so I am currently erring on the side of assuming good faith, and trying to engage him (?) in discussion to figure out what's going on. This may be T. Whyte's parent, based on the "references" recently added. -- nae'blis 19:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::Edit:: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Whyte now up, based on the last "reference" provided being a personal website registered yesterday evening by his mother. Thanks for keeping tabs on this with me. -- nae'blis 13:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank You

 For offering your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lori Klausutis (third nomination). The article was deleted. "The quality of mercy is not strain'd . . . It is enthroned in the hearts of kings, It is an attribute to God himself; And earthly power doth then show likest God's, When mercy seasons justice." ~ Wm. Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice, Act IV Scene 1. Morton devonshire 22:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of best-selling computer and video games

Sorry I didn't reply to your comment while the debate was open, I was kind of distraught.

Anyway, allow me to cross-post a bit. I asked this question from Interrobamf in their talk page.

Ignoring verifiability questions, is the topic of best-selling computer and video games a topic that is worth of discussing in the encyclopaedia?

Here's a real-life-based, extremely up-close-and-personal encyclopaedia use case for you: I'm just a random gamer. I don't know a whole lot about video game marketing statistics, but I'm interested of games. I'm dreadfully interested in finding out what are the truly best-selling computer games of all time.

Now you want me to not find this information... because there are no reliable statistics.

Okay. I can accept that rationale. I obviously don't want unreliable information. However, in this use case, that doesn't solve my problem. My problem is that I want information about the most best-selling games. At least I want to read a detailed explanation on why various sources for sales figures are questionable, and I at least want to find the small shreds of details on games whose numbers can be verified. I don't need conclusive coverage of everything. I just need conclusive, verifiable coverage on as much stuff I can.

Like I said in Interrobamf's talk page: I'm not advocating adding unreliable information to Wikipedia. I'm just saying that if the topic itself is worth discussing. When the topic is interesting and worth discussion - the primary reason why articles should exist - then the least we can do is to say that information is wildly unreliable, and do the best we can to provide sourced information.

Yes, it's true, I don't know darn about where to find game sales statistics. However, I find it odd that you need to specifically mock me for that. I'm just saying the topic is obviously worth discussing in an encyclopaedia. Or can you, perhaps, dispute that?

You commented on how I don't have clue about this field. Okay, I fully admit that. Now it's my turn: You obviously have no idea how curious computer gamers are. If you can admit that, we can start discussing. =) --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 10:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi Indrian,

I hope this message finds you well. Could you take a look at my recent edits on the Ohio Wesleyan article and let me know what are some suggestions for improvement of the overall state of the article. Thank you!!! WikiprojectOWU 00:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Hey,

Great to see your recent comment! I think we are making progress. Let me begin by saying that issues that at some point deal with a politial element are inheritantly hard to deal with in the Wikipedia environment. Wikipedia favors a participation approach to knowledge accumulation but on controversial topics competition for space and voice results in outcomes that may involve a lot arguing. It sounds like you want to improve the article and this is a great starting point: we are like-minded people in this regard.

We should definitely try to get to the bottom of how to improve the section so that we can please all contributors (I think that you both bring strong and correspondingly valid arguments) at the end. But as you know perfect is the biggest enemy to good, so my suggestion is to refrain from criticizing each other and to focus on passing the article's FAC candidacy. After having seen other schools' FA articles, I honestly feel that this is the most referenced and arguably the best article so far (and I am not saying this because I put so much time into it). There are always thinks we can improve on but can not focus on those once we are behind the hurdle.

What I think we should focus on now is issues that are brought up by outside viewers. For example, user:Tony1 brought up copyediting, improving the structure and images in approximately this order. Once we pass the FAC, we can work out the other issues.

Towards that goal, I suggest we withdraw any comments that may not help the article's candidacy. It think we ought to work towards a common goal since we are all graduates of this school. WikiprojectOWU 22:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the series of comments between you and Faria... I felt that Faria did go overboard in her reaction to your criticisms... I share them. But I want to echo what WikiprojectOWU said, the FAC is not the appropriate place for this... I appreciate the fact that you have approached Faria on her page to try to get this resolved. I wish the two of you luck.Balloonman 22:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Activism section

So, it seems that the following actions regarding the Activism section will alleviate your fears: (1) More from earlier eras (2) Proof as to its larger signifigance in the history of the university. In addition to these two, I think Balloonman will be happy if two more are added to the list (3) More representative citations to various groups and various causes to include conservative groups, not only liberal ones and (4) a more fair tone of reporting that does not convey a sense of pride.

I have several books that will help me add (1) and (2). With Balloonman's help, I will add information on (3). For (4), I will ask another person, a Wikipedia administrator, whose view should be unbiased, and who was instrumental in getting another article its FA status.

I hope this helps! As I suggested earlier, in the meantime, it might help if you refrain from criticizing other users and/or withdraw your objection on the article's candidacy (it seems to me that we can work this out fairly easily). WikiprojectOWU 02:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Your observation regarding the last edit was on target. Trying to walk a middle ground is not always without its consequences. Let's deal with the Activism section now and then we'll get to the other issue. It could open up the possibility for users like user:Pastorwayne to jump in, introduce more opinions and possibly stir more non-constructive arguing than we need now. It seems, Duke University, Dickinson College and other schools were dealing with the same issue of several users pushing a historic affiliation in the direction of extreme bias that left many people unhappy not too long it seems. I think it is appropriate to learn from their lessons and let sleeping dogs lie for the time being.WikiprojectOWU 04:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I will deal with his suggestions. I was the one who solicited his advice prior to the comment, anyway. WikiprojectOWU 06:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Activism section help

I started thinking about restructuring the section to accomodate for the four concerns that we agreed on above. But I need your help! Before fleshing out the section, could you take a look at User:WikiprojectOWU/Activism and see if you agree with the basic structure and key components. It is still very very much in its early stages but I want to make sure that I am moving in the direction that will accomodate the 4 key areas before proceeding. WikiprojectOWU 19:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the advice

I was unsure of how to go at the article because the aim is to get it to FA quality but there are no other TV characters who have FA status, so it was hard to know where to start and we had to decide between doing a biography of the character, or on his real life impact. In the end, we went the biography route. Thanks for the advice and a major rewrite is now in progress. -- Scorpion0422 03:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Dear Indrian,

Could you take a look at the Activism page on my user page. I think the solution is to have a short blurb similar in spirit to the one for MSU and then have a reference to a separate article that traces activism movemements or alumni associated with them throughout OWU's history. I looked at one of the school's history books and there is a lot to share but I don't think the main page is the best place due to space and focus considerations. I finished the blurb and I am still working on the longer page. Take a look when you get a chance. I will check with user:Faria and user:Baloonman. What do you think? WikiprojectOWU 15:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

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