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[edit] Talk Archived

— Indon (reply) — 04:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: GA failed

I will try to add the inline citations, but there is little information that is citable. I first decided to write this article because I have an abundance of knowledge about Hastings. There was not a lot of research required.

The image cannot be aligned to the right, I would prefer not to move it. But I suppose I can replace it somewhere suitable within the article.

I removed the "famous and picturesque", but the resort is a tourist attraction. In my opinion, it is required to include that.

I'm not sure where you are coming from with the "travel brochure" comment. There is only one mention of a resort or anything of that sort.

  • There was not any information regarding bus routes, and never was.
  • List of newspapers, radio and television stations is required.
  • There was one external link to a resort, which is now removed. That was my mistake.

Thank you for the review in any case. But I do have some disagreements. Dhastings 21:27, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me add something: When you fail someone's article (in this case mine) I'm sure the author of the article you failed would like to know why. After reading your review again... I call it half useless. I'm sorry, but you used the word "several" time and time again, and did not bother to point me to these specific issues that you mentioned, may I add, some of them were nonexistant.
Personally, I can edit work, and it isn't just about finding mistakes, or in your case, inventing some, it is about explaining what the mistakes were, where they were, why they were mistakes and maybe even helping the person correct them. I certainly did not mention "bus routes" and I believe, in order for you to improve your overall editing skills, you should be more attentive, open minded and conscious of what has actually been written. It aggravates me to have to look over my own work, trying to find these mistakes you mentioned, when many of them were nonexistant, and many were mistakes in a matter of your opinion, and by all other means were perfectly correct.

Dhastings 18:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seas and Oceans

Akanemoto has been adding those links to 100s of articles. I already removed a few from Indonesia. I counted 11 seas/oceans in Indonesa - i bet there are more. Thus he would create 11 info boxes for indonesia. He doesn't seem to realise we removed them. I wonder if anyone else has questioned him on it?? --Merbabu 05:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I've left him a message. All those infoboxes are so stupid and uninformative. — Indon (reply) — 05:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA

Hey how are you? Really, I am jealous of you, you have got two GAs!!! Hehehe, oh well, I can reach your accomplishments if Religion in Indonesia is GA as well. So, can you help me (by creating the map :P). Hehehe, sorry for that. But really, you are really a great editor. Good luck and take care!! -- Imoeng 06:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Haha, no problem. And many thanks for that. Take care -- Imoeng 09:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Culture of Indonesia

Hi. You can revert all the changes if you like. It doesn't bother me. But my stomach ache does. Though my edits might not have been helpful, the lead needs improvement. Rintrah 10:17, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kejawen dan lain lain

My honours degree supervisor had done his PhD on one of the groups :) SatuSuro 14:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Taiwanese aborigines

Hi Indon,

Thank you sincerely for your attention to Taiwanese aborigines. You made many changes; so many that I could not address them one-by-one. I'm afraid that with great reluctance I reverted your edits, but only so that we could discuss them on the article's talk page.

Thanks again!--Ling.Nut 16:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

HI again, Indon,
Of course I want you to contribute to the article! Please don't think I don't value your contribution. And I see your point about redundancies. You just made so many changes, and some of them were not about redundancies. I would like to discuss them one by one, or at least by small groups of related changes, on the article's talk page. Thanks --Ling.Nut 17:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry that my reversion of your edit offended you. It may have seemed like a drastic move. I tried to compensate for that by explaining clearly my reasons for reverting, and leaving several doors open (in several different forums) for us to discuss things further. If you decide not to contribute further to Taiwanese aborigines, I wil regret the loss of your input, but I will repsect your decision.
  • Best regards,

[edit] Licence of Image:214761890 86afa3ab56 m.jpg

Is there a particular reason why you changed the licence of Image:214761890 86afa3ab56 m.jpg? The uploader seems to be the same person that uploaded it at flikr; this is a scaled down version; it was licenced as cc-2.5 at wikipedia, and the same picture, albeit a larger version, was licenced cc-nc at flickr. Now you assumed that the image was uploaded from flickr to wikipedia... but this is just an assumption. Judging by the uploader's contribution and user page, it's the same person, the original photographer. And he licenced the photo cc-2.5 here. --Qyd 16:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Metallica article

Why did you place so many citation needed tags in the article when there are clearly some statements that do not need references. With your logic, there would be a citation needed tag after every sentence. I would just like an explanation on why you placed those citation tags (I am probably wrong, but I just do not see how some of those sentences need to be cited). Thanks a lot. Wikipediarules2221 07:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I see your point. If it is consensus that those comments need citations then forget I said anything. I just thought some of them were over the top. Carry on and keep up the good work. Cheers! Wikipediarules2221 22:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Indonesia Newsletter
Last week, two more members have joined the project, and really boost the progress of articles editing. Danny Yee and Lestari, welcome to the project, hopefully you will enjoy your stay. So, we officially have got 26 members!

More than 440 articles have been tagged with the WikiProject Indonesia template, well done to all editors who have contributed this far. Also, while copy-editing is a very useful thing to do, researching and expanding the article, or maybe one or two sections would be extremely useful, because it is the goal of the collaboration, expanding and getting a good article status.
What's new?
Several ways to increase the interactions between editors have been proposed. For now, the best solution would be the IRC Channel just for WikiProject Indonesia. Please go to #wikipedia-id if you have had experiences with IRC Channels. Or read the instructions at Wikipedia:IRC.

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Articles improvements
We have got another Good Article nomination! Congratulations to all editors, especially Indon, who have improved it significantly, maybe you can give six barnstars. So, with the nomination, we officially have had four good articles. Hopefully we can get plenty good articles in the future, or even featured articles.

The last collaboration was not a huge success, the Pulau Dewata is still a "start" article and has not improved much. However, seems like the collaboration spirit is back and Java has improved gradually, thanks to all editors.
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[edit] Wikibreak

Hey I am fine, how are you? No lol, it has nothing to do with the map. As I said, I haven't got much time as for doing things as usual, and its getting somewhat worse :(. However I do realise the project needs maintanence, so every two weeks, I will log in and update stuff, including newsletter. Now by that time, you should tell me what has happened :P. No, only joking, I will "watch" people's contributions. Oh yeah, about the map, no harm right? Can you still finish it? :P. I'll check that when I am back, hehehe. Alrighty, good luck and take care -- Imoeng 20:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Just dropping by, and I checked the portal, but noone has updated it :(. Really, this is somewhat hard, because I am afraid (while I'm still hoping) no one will do my part. For now, I will just spend my whole time playing music, while still trying to find some time to do Wikipedia stuff. But it is hard, with school stuff as well. You know how to update the portal don't you? Cheers -- Imoeng 11:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Vlocity_interior.jpg

Thanks for bringing the copyright issue re Image:Vlocity_interior.jpg to my attention, it was a good of my part... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mcbridematt (talk • contribs).

[edit] Volcanoes

I dont blame you reverting a red link isp with one edit - but if you look outside of wikipedia and try http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/region.cfm?rnum=06&rpage=list there is at least 150 - the issue is how many are active - maybe merbabu and I's work on volcanoes in wikipedia might have a clue. SatuSuro 12:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal

I put Mount Tambora up on the portal for AOTW. And one of my pics :D PS, i saw you conversation with the guy who was posting the infotabs. He was crazy!!! --Merbabu 12:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Yep, he's really crazy. :-) — Indon (reply) — 14:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Solidarity

I believe that your concerns have been addressed. May I invite you to check it out? --Beaumont (@) 12:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] advice

Hi Indon, i need your advice on a GA candidate about referencing. I've been contributing to Turkish Airlines Flight 1476, and add it to GA candidate. A user has reviewed it, and written that MLA style referencing. Do you think it's better to use MLA style, or don't change them. Btw, all references are from news articles and 3 of them goes dead. What can i do, try to replace them or don't change them too, because it's difficult to replace all of them. I've read Wikipedia:Citing sources What to do when a reference link "goes dead", part but i'm not sure. --Ugur Basak 09:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment Indon:) --Ugur Basak 11:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Indon, although article's reviewer has passed the article as GA. I've expanded the lead, and write a more define explanation to image of route. Thanks for your interest.--Ugur Basak 22:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal Maintenance

Will you be taking over from Imoeng with this? His user page seems to say hes gone SatuSuro 13:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GAC relist

Hello - I don't disagree with your logic about relisting Bronx High School of Science on WP:GAC but thought you should know it's still listed on the GA list and as a candidate for collaboration of the week. Tvoz 19:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

No, if I'm reading it correctly the GACo status is for articles that have already been given GA status, which is why I asked.Tvoz 18:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Ah, ok - the reason I raised it is I saw no point in pursuing GACo of the week if it was going to be shot down because the GA status was removed. So I think where we stand now is that the article is nominated for Good Article status, awaiting reviews, and we'll take it from there. ThanksTvoz 18:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great Clips

Every time, I create the article about the company "Great Clips", it is vandalized and removed by someone. The logo is a part of the article, and now I couldn't find the article and am in no mood to rewrite all of it again. Could you help me in reinstating the article about that company. Balajiviswanathan 22:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia Project

Yes, shame about Imoeng. I hope he can reconsider, perhaps all he needs after a break is to just slow down a bit with his wikipedia commitments, rather than cancel them altogether. As for the project, on Monday I update the weekly articles and photo and can do it again this week. As for the longer term, I am happy to help out with the portal and organising collabs. Yes, i think we do need to do some planning but these next two weeks for me are a bit crazy. I have exams this week then I an going on holidays. So, I think we can survive next two weeks (you do news, i can do AOTW and pics etc, and I can do collab) - and we can think about what to do. GImana? --Merbabu 22:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a few of my own ideas for the project too. Also, i forgot to mention the newsletter, I think not this Sunday, but following Sunday we can try to get one out to members. And, something tells me Imoeng not 100% gone - he will be back a little bit after wikibreak (isn't that correct, Imoeng?). As for my banner, yes it is very annoying, even I keep clicking on it!!! --Merbabu 22:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Sightunseen.jpg

Forgive me if I'm doing this incorrectly, but it's my first response to a talk comment.

I have been putting up several photos from South Coast Repertory and may be using the incorrect Image Copywright Tags. The phots are available for free use, we only require that the photographer and/or South Coast Repertory be credited when used. If you would check out the changes I've made to that page and give me any suggestions I would be grateful.

Thanks for your help! hvhmoney 23:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Thanks for the quick response. The images aren't from the website. I work for the company and they requested I upload some photos to accompany the article. SCR has agreed that they can be used for any reason as long as either South Coast Repertory and/or the photographer are credited. That said, is the image tag correct or is there a tag that would better suit the purpose? Thanks for your help.

hvhmoney 00:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guess who is back

Hehehe, as probably you have read on the email, I only chase for Dream Theater FA, hehe. The "Gods" in music should be prioritised, without them I won't have any knowledge about music :P. Cheers -- Imoeng 14:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

See, I did tell you, didn't I Indon? ;-) --Merbabu 14:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Good man! Now, let's have fun here again. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 14:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Speedy Deletion Penny Harvest Page

I recently received a notice of speedy termination of the Penny Harvest Wikipedia page. I have familiarized myself with the rules and regulations governing the use of Wikipedia, and am writing this letter to dispute the deletion of the Penny Harvest page based on the following reasons:

The Wikipedia guideline on criteria for organizations states that the organization must be notable and verifiable, “Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities is national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source. Notability can be asserted for organizations through: 1. inclusion in third party published materials; 2. a significant amount of media coverage that is not trivial in nature and that deals specifically with the organization as the primary subject.”

The Penny Harvest is a national nonprofit education program. The program exists in about 800 schools across 11 cities, with a member base of just over 500,000, not including its 4 million alumni. The members, grade school children, have raised over $5 million for charity since the programs inception. The students are currently raising over $600,000 a year, which will rapidly increase the overall total.

The success of the Penny Harvest Program can be verified by reliable sources of information, such as Idealist.org, The National Youth Leadership Council, The Ford Foundation, UNICEF and other scholarly colleagues in the field who support this initiative. The Penny Harvest program also received a significant amount of media coverage from CNN and the Oprah Winfrey show and has had major articles in the New York Times(1), Parade Magazine(2), and Child Magazine(3), to name a few.

Many of the causes and charities these children support through the Penny Harvest are included on Wikipedia or have individual Wikipedia pages. These causes include sexual abuse, LGBT rights, issues surrounding homelessness, animal cruelty, and immigration rights; and charities such as American Red Cross, Make A Wish Foundation, American Cancer Society.

The Penny Harvest is a service-learning and character education program with a strong and visible presence in the field of education. The program strives to continue President Bill Clinton’s vision of expanding opportunities for Americans to serve their communities. The case could be made that the Penny Harvest program is the most distinct and successful program bridging the theoretical leap from simple community service to total service-learning. This topic would be of interest to non-partisan editors.

Finally, I am certain the scope and reach of the Penny Harvest program’s cultural/social impact is at the very least equivalent to that of some of the other people/organizations for whom pages currently exist. I am currently making changes to the original document to in compliance with Wikipedia’s rules of NPOV and verifiability.

1 Roberts, Sam. "A Way to Help with a Penny." New York Times 24 Dec. 1990, sec. B.
2 Greer, Colin. "Make Pennies Count." Parade Magazine 11 Aug. 1996: 8-9.        
3 Larsen, Elizabeth. "Raising Kids Who Care." Child Magazine Dec.-Jan. 2005: 131-134.


Thank You, Pennyharvest 16:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)Jahkedda Akbar

[edit] Re: About Mount Tambora

I want to thank you both for pointing out my mistake, and for fixing the immediate damage. I think I have aranged things back to what I meant now, and it was definetly a learning experience. --Spyforthemoon 19:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vancouver picture

You acted in good faith, sometimes tracking down the ultimate source isn't easy. The photo is properly tagged as cc-by-2.0. Andrew Levine 22:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC

Hello. Well, it is pretty hard to say Support after the last comment lol. I really think the article is great, and I want to say that, but it seems strange that a guy from the same country say Support after a well constructive comment. "We don't want to use their method, right? Cheers -- Imoeng 22:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Really, they should be banned, this is not how Wikipedia supposed to work. I'm outta here, this is no longer a nice place :p. Keep in touch via email, alright? Nice to know you! Cheers -- Imoeng 11:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Because I'm no longer exist here, I don't care what they will think. I've gone though this stuff and found that heaps of the articles could be degraded. Just like my beloved Dream Theater. You are my only chance to do this. So just like the old saying, "if you can't go forward, make your opponent go backward". This message will destruct itself in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. KABOOM!!! Imoeng 11:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay I will do them this weekend. Maju tak gentar!! Hehehehe, what is wrong with me? Imoeng 12:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tambora

In the FAC - I have given a short well done - but I will probably add further comments later SatuSuro 01:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your spam :-) I have voted for support. Meursault2004 09:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
I saw your new Eruptive history section, so I changed my vote :-) (MichaelJLowe 11:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Candi

Candi of Indonesia --Merbabu 15:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, it's great man, though I think it is still in list format. You know, I have similar idea about list of volcanoes in Indonesia, but with WP:LIST format. My plan is for the featured list. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 15:57, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Malawati deletion

Hadn't checked in for a while and found an undated note from you (three tildes instead of four?) about a proposed deletion, which appears to already have happened, of something about which I recall nothing (Malawati); it must have been an article to which I applied some minor copy editing. If I could go back and look at the article I'd know, and if your note was dated I probably wouldn't have bothered with this one ... ;Bear 19:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tambora FAC

not spam at all !! happy to try and help !! re-read comments and the article - outstanding. Very good job, thanks for requesting an additional look. ~~Dharp66~~

Hey Indon, great work! I'll go through it more thoroughly now, I kind of forgot to earlier... :) riana_dzasta 01:12, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to help edit this article, but i have lost track of what direction you are going. I am reluctant cos my changes are not what is needed. So maybe I will just watch. Oh, what about putting the refs in two columns? --Merbabu 09:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I am reluctant to add comments, cos I don't want it to look like our friends from I***a ;-). OK, maybe on the weekend, I will look closely. When is process finished? --Merbabu 09:40, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing! I'll go over there right now. riana_dzasta 10:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey Indon, the Ecosystems section is really good. It helps to dispel concerns some people may still have that the article concentrates too much on the eruption. I did a tiny bit of copyediting, but it looks great otherwise. riana_dzasta 10:43, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations - it looks very close to being a FA - well done for all your persistence and hard work! SatuSuro 15:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Belum? nah, banyak ikut kalau jelas seperti itu! SatuSuro 15:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Tak apa apa - tak harus semua setuju - kalau satu menganngu, wah - harus ada satu londo seperti saya ya? :) SatuSuro 15:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've added some queries to the talk page about some phrasing I didn't understand. If you can sort those out I'll support it. (Sorry, I didn't get back to it earlier) Cheers, Yomanganitalk 16:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New article - woo hoo!

Pendopo --Merbabu 15:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait... I'm going to make a new one also ;-). — Indon (reply) — 15:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
This was never finished Volcanoes of Java. I am such a devious spy! --Merbabu 15:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hahaha, no worries. Everything in WP is public. About that article, should we put it into one article in the list of volcanoes in Indonesia? Well, let's look at it later. My new target: WP:FL :D — Indon (reply) — 15:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Um, I'd like to expand the general info, but if you want to move the info from the Java page to the Indonesia age, i think that is OK, but will you then order it by island/region? Or all alphabetical. I think it is nice to have somewhere volcanoes grouped by region. --Merbabu 15:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant, i'd like to keep the general article-like info - if you wanna cut and paste the list to the new article that is fine.--Merbabu 15:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
My plan is to have list grouped by regions and then I will make a list ranked by eruption date. — Indon (reply) — 15:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Images

Those were not orphaned images. It were used in Talk:S. Jithesh. But two images were deleted today. What's the reason. Please help me and advice me. Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 15:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I need this image to convince my contention. I think it's important to prove the notability of the article. Can u help me by fixing it properly. Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 16:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The image is from a print media. I have scanned it and uploaded it. No other online source is available to get this image. So how can I furnish external links...?


[edit] Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's

Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's. Newspapers of Vernacular Languages may have millions of readership. For example, in India every state has its own language. There are more than 20 widely speaking native languages in India. But the news reports from the newspapers of such languages are not available in google search.Take the case of Malayala Manorama Newspaper. Currently this Malayalam language newspaper has a readership of over 9 million, with a circulation base of over 1.4 million copies according to Audit Beureu of Circulations. Manorama is one of the India's largest selling and most widely read news paper. There are more than 50 such newspapers in India. News reports from such dailies are not available in google eventhough it have millions of readership. But news reports from English dailies with 1000 or 2000 copies are available in google search. It is really misleading...Isn't it...? In this context of notability tests based on google hits may be a worthless, foolish effort. In such circumstances we must consider the words of native wikipedians with more importance. May I know ur valuable opinion ……? Native news paper reports are not available in google. That's why I have scanned it and uploaded. Nileena joseph (Talk|Contribs) 16:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Anaheimdland.jpg

I took the picture myself, Wikipedia can use it because I say it can. --Plainsong 04:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kraton/Karta

Maaf, but in the article Kraton you undid the link to Sultan Agung's first palace (wooden - burnt down at least once maybe twice) - was there any reason for that? SatuSuro 09:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC) Maaf sekali lagi - I understand why you did that now - sorry to bother - will have to create a dismabig! SatuSuro 10:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC) Fixed! Karta SatuSuro 10:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Dont think so - if karta is the word - then its at the disambig. we will wait and see. :) SatuSuro 10:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sanga/Songo

Mohon maaf - I feel that as a londo I shouldnt be even editing this one, but... could you please look at Wali Sanga and Wali Songo? I am suggesting that the songo article is belum betul, but I think sanga article is not necessarily good as a stub either - I would be very interested in your opinion. SatuSuro 08:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment at songo - SatuSuro 08:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: GA

Sorry, Indon. I just think you should have been more specific. I didn't intend to come off very harsh, and maybe a statement or two that I made were unjustified. I have worked on the article since, and have tried to correct everything that you mentioned. I just noticed that a lot of your mentions were just not at all specific, and one, for sure, was untrue.

What I mean is, I would have hoped you could have been more specific, rather than using the word "several" many times, as you did. I did not include bus routes, and have taken your advice on the "travel brochure" comment, however I don't think I had/have as many comments worthy of a travel brochure as you mentioned. I have removed any and all external links to any and all resorts, and have condensed the minimal information that I actually had about any resorts.

Now, I apologize for any inconvenience. Dhastings 18:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC Review request (k-os)

I noticed that you are extremely helpful at FAC with pointing out issues almost everyone else has missed, so can I please ask you to review k-os which has been a featured article candidate for some time now. Thank you! - Tutmosis 18:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to copyedit and look at the article. I tried to follow all your sugestions. I left a response to each of your points on the talk page. It appears people are getting confused by some parts of the article but I can't really pick that up. It's also hard to clarify any confusing parts because everything makes sense to me and I don't know how to rephrase it better. Anyway, please note that I reverted two sentences you changed and I'll explain why:

    • Your version: "Joyful Rebellion received positive reviews, as well as critics for speaking extensively on the state of hip hop."
      • back to
    • Joyful Rebellion received positive reviews, but at times was criticised for speaking extensively on the state of hip hop.

...because it wasn't the critics who said that, that sentence is saying that the critics criticised the album message which talked "extensively on the state of hip hop."

    • Your version: After the 1995 Explosion tour, he met Red1 of the Rascals and they became friends. Red1 invited him to move to Vancouver.
      • back to
    • "Soon Red1 of the Rascals, who k-os befriended at the 1995 Explosion tour, invited him to move to Vancouver."

Because I felt that breaking those in 2 sentences breaks the chronological time flow of the text. Since the time period being discussed is around 1996 but that first sentence from your version kind of break the time order and goes back to 1995. Does that make any sense at all?

Anyway thanks again, and I hope the above makes sense. I just wanted to clarify why I changed back those 2 sentences. Don't take it the wrong way, I very much appreciate your input. :) - Tutmosis 17:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Indonesian Volcanoes

WOW! Brilliant! Amazing - brilliant - well done! SatuSuro 11:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I would offer any help you might ask ( but unfortunately I will be off wiki soon for a week) - when Merbabu is back I am sure he will -SatuSuro
BTW matur nuwun tentang gnangarra SatuSuro 12:03, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
If only we could do the candi list as well as your volcano list! I do have a list from the Miksic text - I will create a sub-page from it and you are most welcome to utilise it SatuSuro 12:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
User:SatuSuro/Candi List is there - in alphabetical order - but it is relevant until 1996 - the main list has some that were discovered after this date.SatuSuro 12:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

The format of the Miksic text has dates of construction - and gets quite complicated.

  • Early Classic - Gedong Songo
  • Middle Classic - Bali
  • Late Classic - Candi Jawi - Majapahit and Bali

Whereas the article as it is 'clusters' into specific locations and describes the candi near Borobudur or Prambanan etc.

I would suggest that the new -list- could be either alphabetical or cluster - and a related article (not list) could descrribe the early/middle and late eras. SatuSuro 12:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you - I would appreciate that very much - I think your formatting in the volcano list to be amazing - however If I am away for a while maybe Merbabu might want do something different I dont know - I think he will be totally knocked out by your list of volcanoes - SatuSuro 13:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Hehe juru kunci at Imogiri used to make fun of my 'mohon maaf' SatuSuro 14:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Apologies saw gilangs in action - should have reverted then! SatuSuro 09:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes! THe volcano list is excellent. I haven't spent much time looking at it. Once again Indon, you show us how to just "get things done"!--Merbabu 10:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Outstanding article - well done!--Bwmodular 13:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Photo request

I am looking for photos of Indonesian architecture. if you know any good ones let me know. It's for the gallery in Indonesian architecture. thanks--Merbabu 09:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I will try to collect suitable pictures and put them in Commons:Category:Buildings in Indonesia. BTW, I like the Besakih temple in the article. I will put it in Commons also. — Indon (reply) — 09:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Pardon my language but the Besakih pic is "sh** hot". I checked that user's contribs. Seems to be the only one he posted and he hasn't been on wiki for almost 1 year. :-( I have some other pics of my own to scan and/or upload but they are only average. --Merbabu 09:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking again to recategorize Commons. I don't like "Buildings in Indonesia", but tend to have "Architecture of Indonesia" category. I'll try to do what I can do. — Indon (reply) — 09:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the re-cat. Some of the commons images are great. I will try to use them soon. (and sorry about the talk page - it was an accident, but i don't understand how I did it - it seems it happened when i made the comment on the Volcano list. thanks for not being angry - lol). --Merbabu 11:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Institut Teknologi Bandung - like the new pic? You can move it if you want. --Merbabu 13:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, nice pic! — Indon (reply) — 09:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lombok

Hi, I just want to let you know in advance that I am about to put some extra bits on that user talk page - and let one of my admin friends know as well - hope you dont mind! SatuSuro 12:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I would say - one more and we go for a block - ignoring your warnings - not good SatuSuro 12:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks like an added admin warning - should do something. BTW I am off on wikibreak for a week on Friday - I expect to be suprised by Merbabu's and your work in that time! SatuSuro 14:19, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

So preoccupied with other matters - well done Indon - you might be terlalu sopan and point to others - but your hard work really made the FA! well done - looking forward to seeing you now get a FL! SatuSuro 09:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the thanks - dont forget - next a FL! SatuSuro 10:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mount Tambora

Let me be the first to say congratulations! [1] is this the first Indonesia FA? --Merbabu 12:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, excellent job! I'm delighted to hear it achieved FA status - what a great reward for all your efforts. Keep up the good work! :) riana_dzasta 11:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Allow me to add my congratulations as well. It really is a fine article and you have done a marvelous job with it! Cheers! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indonesia collaboration

Hi Indon/Archive4! It's the last few days of the Garuda Indonesia collaboration. Please contribute!!!

Also, could you please vote for the next fortnight's collaboration? Please vote down the bottom of this page. The collab for the fortnight will be decided this Sunday 26th (or Monday at the latest). By the way, we could also chose Garuda Indonesia for another week.

So please visit and help choose the next article. Any questions/comments, please let me know. I'd love to hear from you particularly if you have any good suggestions! :-) --Merbabu 10:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not really favs of company article, but I will try to add something. — Indon (reply) — 10:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Re Google, try "Indonesian architecture", "Mount Tambora". --Merbabu 11:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, Indon/Archive4! This fortnight we've chosen: >>>Majapahit Kingdom<<<. Please help in referencing, check my newly added headings, improve prose, diagrams, but most importantly is RESEARCH so we can actually grow the article. Any other suggestions for improvement, please leave on the article's talk page. Yes, please discuss on talk page!
Also, can you please post suggestions for the following fortnight's collaboration. Please leave your suggestions at the bottom of this page. Hopefully i will remember to remind you to vote in about a week (someone else remind me!).--Merbabu 14:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
ha ha, re your note on Majapahit article being in Indian project - we should leave it there cos that means instant FA. ;)--Merbabu 14:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Support -- Looks good. Saravask 20:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC) - he he, lets all just create socks with Indian names and vote against them ;-) --Merbabu 14:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for looking for info on the collab article. I don't have much, but (surprise surprise) i have a bit on Majapahit architecture - lol. Actually, there are a few books i wanna but that have info on majapahit --Merbabu 14:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Indon. Can you check the majapahit article. [2] I tried to create a text box. How do i get the text to wrap around it? Do I need more text? In that section, I want the box to appear after the first paragraph, but have the 2nd paragrap wrap around the box. Canyou help? It works on Mount Tambora. Thanks --Merbabu 13:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Eksilant!! thanks --Merbabu 14:24, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] rfa

 I would like to express my appreciation of the time you spent considering my successful RfA. Thankyou Gnangarra 13:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyediting Weh Island

No problems - I'm only sorry that I don't have much time to write anything substantial at the moment, so most of my edits are going to be just tinkering around the edges. As long as you don't take my editing personally - your making some great contributions, wheras I'm mostly just doing a bit of tidying up. Keep up the excellent work. --Bwmodular 13:05, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sei Whale

Thanks for your feedback on the Sei Whale article's Good Article candidacy and peer review. I have commented on your suggestions on the peer review page and have gone ahead and submitted the article for the more comprehensive Featured Article Candidate review at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sei Whale. I would appreciate any feedback you could provide there. Thanks, Neil916 (Talk) 20:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The "Prayer in Stone"

re Borobudur, I added a few details to the restoration section. PS, the Lombok spammer got blocked - he he. --Merbabu 15:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a beuatiful colour book (almost 2kg) called "Borobudur A Prayer in Stone". The text is by Soekomo. THe pictures - i can't describe them - some of the most beautiful photography I have seen. I hate copyright - otherwise i would scan everything in!!! --Merbabu 15:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Then I might ask your help later after the rewriting is done, to put inline citations overthere. ;-) — Indon (reply) — 15:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I printed out the Soekono pdf and matched it up with the book. Much of the text is very similar. The pdf is 15 years older and has some stuff not in the book, but there is also a fair bit of good info in the book not in the pdf. I must say, I am a little jealous. "One day" i was going to add to this article - it is more exciting than Majapahit. (I feel i need to do Majapahit since I was the one who suggested it #^$#*@*!^@$). The book has more of the architectural info and renovation info. It also has quite a lot of intepretation of individual reliefs with pictures to match. I was so lucky to get it - I have only ever seen that copy and I bought it (in Semarang almost 10 years ago i think) - it is not even on Amazon.com. --Merbabu 03:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry. We can improve Borobudur at anytime later. I really want to help Majapahit, but I can't find any materials to add and I am not a good copyeditor. — Indon (reply) — 08:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow - where did all that info come from?? Have you been quietly working at home? --Merbabu 13:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha. I didn't have internet connection at home, but I have a wikimedia server at my laptop. So I copied into my laptop, worked at home, while reading Soekmono paper, and boom here it goes now. :-)) Please check again wikilinks, structures and grammars. There must be a looot of mistakes. — Indon (reply) — 13:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is a fine job. i started copyediting just what you wrote. I will add some more later from my 10kg book (if there is anything you haven't already mentioned!!!). I must say, I am a little envious of your efforts - i wish i could say i wrote that - but I have Indonesian architecture. A fine job, Indon. --Merbabu 14:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Your Indonesian architecture page is really good also. I will join in there as soon as I have literatures about that (I'm not actually major in architecture). And yes, if you have some words from that book, could you please make a citation of which page it is. It will be better to have some intertwined cross citations from different sources to avoid that this article was taken from a single source. (though Soekmono is the real expert of this subject). — Indon (reply) — 14:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Your Mount Tambora and Borobudur efforts have inspired me (make me envious - lol) that I want to "finish" Indonesia and Indonesian architecture. I did a fair bit of work tonight on Indonesia. I am about 1/2 way finished "Economy" then I will improve "Govt Issues" and then "Culture". But I think Culture is hard. BUT, i don't want to expand, just make them better quality. --Merbabu 14:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the key is good sources. I'm sure if the article is supported with well referenced sources, then it will get smooth way to FA. Prose is the last thing. My secret is to ask other good copyeditors. I know some of them that are really nice if you ask their help. — Indon (reply) — 15:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Respect

I was quite impressed by your comments about the removal of the photograph of SBY in the edit summary for indonesia - here in Australia we have much less respect for our leaders - we would never even think that way about our prime ministr! SatuSuro 16:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

enjoy your time away/off - I had six days off and felt much better! (thats my humour for today)SatuSuro 16:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer Review

Thankyou for commenting at the peer review for Maserati MC12, your comments have helped the article a lot (I think). You said "Sections are still stubby", but I'm not sure exactly what you meant by that. I was wondering if you could be a bit more specific, i.e. which sections. I have tried to address everything you suggested but that comment has me a bit confused. Thanks again for replying so quickly to the request. James086Talk | Contribs 14:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] U2

hey Indon, you might want to check out the U2 article - ie, the peer review! I have spent a lot of time on that one. Nice if you can comment. thanks --Merbabu 14:52, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

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