Talk:Incredible String Band
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I love that whoever wrote this had the inspiration to write "way back in the 1960s". For those who don't know it's one of theri songs titles.
Scottish band? But surely we can't neglect the Welshness? It would be terribly wrong to do so. (Jack Haddad 18:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC))
Can't neglect the Welshness? Are you referring to the vague Celtic spirituality of certain songs? I'm not sure how you can classify them as anything other than a quintessentially British group, which would helpfully remove any confusions such as this. That they were Scottish in location and nationality isn't something to dispute.
None of them were Welsh as far as I know anyway. Actually, where was Clive from? Liam Markham 17:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Only two paragraphs?
ISB was, at one time, the biggest band in the UK, at a time when the UK dictated musical trends to the world, making ISB perhaps the greatest band in the world for a moment in the late 1960s. Surely they deserve more than the two paragraphs afforded them on Wikipedia... Cravenmonket 03:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well, this is Wikipedia so if you have information to contribute, then you know what to do: be bold!
- Atlant 20:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Haha! I'm far from an expert - indeed, I came to the Wikipedia page on ISB looking for more information! Point taken, though. Research by myself needed... Cravenmonket 15:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Problems with this article
This article contains no references and is riddled with POV and weasel words and is lacking in crucial detail(the folk scene in Scotland that they emerged from, where in Scotland they are from, no mention of their adherence/involvement(whatever you call it) with scientology, relationships within the band and so on . And you can't describe The 5000 Spirits... as "an audaciously eclectic mix of bookish folk music, hippy love songs and Eastern modalities", because it OR and weasel words, you can quote someone else saying it but you can't and that just one example. Also "U" has a quote “a surreal parable in dance and song” Maybe it is, I wouldn't disagree, but who am I agreeing with? You can't put in a quote and not ref it or say who said it, you might as well put the whole article in quotes. IMHO these guys from 66 to 70 produces a body of work that is almost unrivialled in popular music for sheer joy and inventiveness, they deserve better, I will try to help--KaptKos 09:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC) "A surreal parable in dance and song", as anyone superficially familiar with the mentioned body of work, is the subtitle of the album itself. Should any mention of an album title contain a reference to the artwork? Maybe going a bit too far here... - Scraps
- Anyone with a superficial understanding of how to write articles for encyclopedias would know that these articles are written with people with no knowledge of the subject in mind so that they can gain a usefull and verifiable grasp of what its about and not have to fill in any blanks, contend with random unsourced quotes, opinions and original research--KaptKos 10:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I've expanded the article and have added a few verifiable statements - see the Oz website library, back issues of Sing Out, Joe Boyd's book, etc. for more precise references. -WallyDugg, 29.11.06
[edit] Scientology?
I've added a reference to their involvement with Scientology, but have no idea how long it lasted or if they still belong today. Anyone? Rodparkes 23:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Heron left in the early 1980s, Williamson in the 1990s, according to a piece on this topic in the "Be Glad" biography/compendium - WallyDugg 29.11.06
[edit] Ted Hughes?
I can't find any mention of a Ted Hughes poem with even "The bent twig of darkness" in, let alone "The bent twig of darkness grows the petals of the morning". A google search brings up only this article. Where did it come from? Liam Markham 17:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
'On "5000 Spirits" the opening line is "The bent twig of darkness grows the petals of the morning" which is also the first line of a poem by Ted Hughes.' - I've removed this sentence due to the lack of proof. If someone can find the line in Hughes' work I'm ready to be corrected, but two points to consider: first, the nature imagery in Hughes's work is often violent (this line isn't); second, the ISB album has been available now for 39 years, and some of the people who bought it are also readers of modern poetry, so how come no-one has pointed this out before? - WallyDugg, 30.11.06
