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[edit] == Bahnaric languages

Hi, thanks for adding all those links to Bahnaric languages. The reason I kept the links to a minimum in the first place is that red links are vandalism fodder. I don't know how many times I've encountered situations where someone follows a red link to a blank page and then adds nonsense to it. But we can keep our fingers crossed and hope that doesn't happen here! --Angr/tɔk tə mi 08:50, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wanniyala-Aetto

Hi Imperial,

Don't know if you haven't seen it already, but there's a question here that you might be able to answer. Regards, —Khoikhoi 02:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Iranian languages map

Hi. Could you correct the borders of India on the map of Iranian languages you have uploaded? Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 04:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Sure, I just took the blank map from wikipedia free maps. I see what you mean, let me fix it. Imperial78
Etnolinguistic maps of Afghanistan vary. Here is another one: [1] As you can see, (by area) Turkmen is NOT the predominant language spoken in the north, but Uzbek. By population, Persian is the predominant language spoken in the north, while Pashto dominates the south. Persian-speaking Hazaras and Aimaqs dominate central Afghanistan. And this is probably the most accurate map (published by the Afghan government in 1985): [2]
As for "Tajik", "Farsi", and "Dari", these are different names of the same question. This is not my opinion, but that of Persian scholars and experts. Here is a BBC article about this issue. Scholars from Tajikistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, India, Lebanon, and Bahrain agree that the name of the language is "Persian" (="Farsi"), while terms such as "Dari" and "Tajik" are modern political designations. Tajik 22:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you should also edit the Uzbekistan part. Bukhara and Samarqand are both Tajik cities, and the southern parts are also dominated by Tajik-speaking "Sarts" (not necessairily "Tajik" by ethnicity). Tajik 22:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Small suggestion for the map: Ghazni and the Logar-area in Afghanistan are Persian-speaking (including Hazaragi) areas. This should be corrected. Tajik 14:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia has Logar as a Pashto speaking area. I added the Dari and Hazaragi speakers for the areas in Ghazni. Imperial78
OK, good. Looks fine to me. Maybe you should create a legend for the languages, explaining which language has which colour. Tajik 17:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I could but since the languages are listed on the map itself, the reader would know. I thought about creating a legend and numbers for the central Iranian languages since it is getting crowded! Imperial78

Greetings. Khoikhoi told me of your map and so I thought I'd give a little input. Something small should denote the Iranian population in Israel I would think and also some indication of the large Tajik community in western Pakistan (I encountered them myself when I was there) that numbers upwards of 1 million (including 250,000 refugees from afghanistan) probably deserves some mention (they live just to the north of the Pashtuns in Pakistan as well as in Peshawar and Quetta). Everything else looks great! Much better than the other map we were using. Tombseye 22:06, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I added the dialect of Madaglashti, where Dari is spoken and the three languages spoken in Israel. Imperial78
Hi.

Thanks a lot for creating the wonderful Iranian languages map. One point: Along the Persian Gulf coats of Bushehr and Hormozgan except some scattered Arab villages the language of the majority is Persian (local dialect). Your map also ignores the Persian-speakers of the Khuzestani cities such as Ahvaz, Abadan, Ramhormoz, Sarbandar, Shush, Mahshahr, Ramshir etc. Actually the majority of the residents of these cities are Persian-speaking. Arabic only is dominant as a spoken language in areas west of Ahvaz and between Ahvaz and Khorramshar, in areas such as Shadgan, Hoveize, around Khorramshahr, between Ahvaz and Mahshar.

Take care, Mani

One thing that has not been discussed yet: "Dari" is the name given to ALL Persian diealects spoken in Afghanistan by the Afghan government(s), but actually, it is wrong. The dialect of Herat, for example (commonly known as "Herati" or "Khorassani") is much closer to the Persian dialects spoken arround Mashhad than the dialects spoken in Kabul or Mazar. The map distinguishes between the different Persian dialects spoken in Iran (i.e. it does not refer to all dialects as "Farsi"), but it does not distinguish between "Herati", "Kabuli" (wrongly called "Dari"), "Mazari", "Ghaznavi", etc. For more information, read the following articles of the Encyclopaedia Iranica: "Dari", the New Persian literary language & "Dari" in Afghanistan The Iranica clearly states:
  • "[...] 'Dari' is a term long recommended by Afghan authorities to designate Afghan Persian in contrast to Iranian Persian; a written language common to all educated Afghanis, Dari must not be confused with Kaboli, the dialect of Kabul [...] that is more or less understood by more than 80% of the non-Persian speaking population [...]" (p. 507)
This should be changed in the map ... Tajik 14:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Add.: Bahrain, too, has a seizable Persian-speaking population. Tajik 14:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the corrections. For Dari, I think I will add Dari like this on the map (Dari) meaning a language used in an official capacity much like Urdu in Pakistan. It will take me a few days to fix things. Imperial78
Tajik, there are sizable Persian speaking communities in the whole Middle East (UAE, Bahrain, etc.). I think it is best to keep tha map to established older communities of Iranian speaking peoples not more recent groups since there are many Persian speakers in most countries outside the region (USA, etc.). Imperial78

Hi, I made a slight modification to your map but then realized that my version was lower resolution and did not show the names properly:

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As you can see, I replaced the Pashto areas in north-western Afghanistan with Dari, because I know for a fact that Dari is the standard language there. Also, not all of Tajikistan speaks a Persian dialect as you have shown, you need to erase some of it. Could you please make that adjustment for us? Thanks. Parsiwan 01:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The map

Yeah, I'm not sure what to say. I love the map, and although it's sort of original research, people need to follow the most important policy in this case, ignore the rules. :) Also, the CIA is definately not academic. It's informative, it's a good source of information, but "academic" is an inaccurate description of it. Cheers. —Khoikhoi 22:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map key?

Ok, the map is cool, but there's no key! Sure you list what SOME of the colours refer to in the caption, but really, you need a comprehensive key otherwise it's difficult to decipher. It was for me and I'm an Iranian linguistics major so I think a key is essential to make this more accessible to a general audience. Daviddariusbijan 09:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dardic

Please donot make up your own facts about linguistics lol. I have added the link. There is nothing wrong with the speeling. READ the link esp. the last two paragraphs. If you can add something useful do so... But do not delete any part of the info. already mentioned! ciao ;) omerlivesOmerlives

There are many spelling errors, "langauges" and "refrences". And the sentences to not make sense. So please fix them and make it acceptable. If not, I must edit them out to keep the article of an acceptable quality. Imperial78

[edit] Semitic languages in Ethiopia

I don't know if South Semitic languages are very close to each other, but all branches need not represent the same level of interelatedness. For instance, any two semitic languages (if you don't compare some of the Gurage dialects with each other) in Ethiopia are not nearly as close to each other as Hebrew, Canaanite, and Aramaic. Plus, Ethiopia does have plenty of Semitic languages — over 20, even! When you count the 6 more in Yemen (ignoring Arabic), you can see the great diversity. Diversity in itself isn't the only reason, however. Firstly, Afro-Asiatic was spoken in NE Africa (I believe the current Urheimat is NE Sudan and some of Eritrea, though I've also heard NE Sahara and other pleaces) and there's no reason why Semitic would have to go around the Red Sea through Egypt to Yemen and then to Ethiopia rather than having originated there, as travel from Ethiopia to Yemen is well attested in ancient times and is thought to have been a major route out of Africa for modern humans. Geographically, it just makes sense. In addition, there are a number of linguistic features which point to Semitic languages having existed in Ethiopia for a long time. As I said, they are attested by linguistic features to at least 2000 BC in early studies (1977 - see Language classification and the Semitic prehistory of Ethiopia. Folia Orientalia 18. 120-166.), and archaic features of Afro-Asiatic cognate in Akkadian (known for its archaisms), but also in Chadic, Berber, and Cushitic (showing that it is proto-A-A; see Ethiopian B-type verbs. Proceedings of the Fifth International Conference of Ethiopian Studies (Chicago), R. Hess, ed., 101-110. Chicago: University of Illinois Press. 1979; see also A and B-type verbs in Ethiopian and Proto-Semitic. Semitic Studies in Honor of Wolf Leslau, Alan S. Kaye, ed., 679-689. Wiesbaden: Otto Harrassowitz. 1991.). Some of these features are not present in Asian Semitic languages at all, but are distinctions made in Ethiopian Semitic derived from proto-A-A, which runs against the "Sabaean invasion" hypothesis, which happens much to late for these features to be preserved — i.e. 5th c. BC (see A neglected Ethiopian contribution to Semitic and Afroasiatic reconstruction. Proceedings of the Twentieth Meeting of the Berkeley Linguistics Society, 47-56. Berkeley, CA: Berkeley Linguistics Society.) — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk 05:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding for a time. I'll get back to you soon. — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 05:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philippe I de France, Duc d'Orleans dit Monsieur

Hi Imperial78!

I'm interested in the image Orleans23.jpg about Philippe I de France, Duc d'Orleans dit Monsieur you added on wikipedia. Could you give me all the informations you have about it (also the less important ones), like the date of creation, the conservation place and so on...? Thanks a lot

Leo

P.S. The image is this:Image:Orleans23.jpg

Leo

Hello, I found this on the French wikipedia. From his wig, I assume it us from the late 1680s or early to mid 1690s. I wish I knew where it was held. It is a nice portrait of Monsieur. Imperial78

Hi Imperial78! Thanks a lot for your informations!

Leo

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