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Contents 1 First Squabbles 2 Only known actor 3 Empire Strikes Back 4 Star Wars 5 Usefull Links (i think) 5.1 education 6 Improvement needed 7 Awards and nominations

[edit] First Squabbles

McDiarmid is primarily a very successful stage actor and director (he was joint artistic director of London's Almeida theatre for 11 years). The article doesn't mention the theatre at all - it should really be rewritten.

Why don't you add it yourself?

[edit] Only known actor

I removed the following from the article (with added emphasis):

"Ian McDiarmid is the only known actor to have portrayed an older version of a character at a young age, and a younger version of a character at an older age."

This is undoubtedly an unusual twist of fate, but I think it's debatable that he's the only actor to have done this. (Think sci-fi with time travel, for example.) --Mrwojo 01:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Anthony Hopkins did this with Hannibal Lecter. Harrison Ford did it with Indiana Jones (Temple of Doom was a prequel). I'm sure there are many, many other examples of this. john k 07:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, I see. It just seemed at first to be such an odd thing for a person to do, I couldn't remember anyone else doing something like it. Though now that you mention those movies, I remember. The Wookieepedian 11:08, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Empire Strikes Back

Isn't it more approriate to attribute this role to 2004, considering that was the first release in which McDiarmid was actually in the movie? Before that it was another actor and the footage of McDiarmid was only shot more recently to make the movie consistent with the other Star Wars movies. His role in the film was a 2004 role, he had nothing to do with the film until then.

Yeah, I think it needs noting. I just felt that somehow we needed to oput in the table that he acted for that scene in ESB. The Wookieepedian 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Star Wars

This section could use some editing. I don't care much for the flow. I might work on it later. Feel free to beat me to it. b_cubed 20:15, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Just took care of most of the things that bothered me. Intro could be expanded a bit. I really only can write about his Star Wars role, as that's the extent of my Ian McDiarmid knowledge. b_cubed 05:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Usefull Links (i think)

I found this in a google search. It could really help out the article. http://www.dmeb.net/speb/foryourmind/82starlog.html

http://www.hollywood.com/celebs/fulldetail/id/195431

http://www.almeida.co.uk/index.cfm?id=awards

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,546925,00.html

[edit] education

http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,620076,00.html

[edit] Improvement needed

I am reviewing for the GA selection. I think the article is fine in its prose sections. I would like to have the lists cleaned up. No need to mention all his stage and film credits, only those that are notable. Compare with GA articles Dylan and Cole Sprouse or Kevin Spacey.

I suggest that red linked films and films that "no-one has ever heard" be removed. I also suggest that the list of stage credits be integrated with the section "Theatrical work", with only the most important stage credits be mentioned, for example "He has starred in several Shakespare plays, including Hamlet (1972), Much Ado About Nothing (1976), Macbeth (1976) [etc]".

I'd also prefer to have the list of Awards and nomination be turned into prose.

I'll try and find a guideline to reference my suggestions with.

Fred-Chess 09:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Found a reference, please see Wikipedia:Embedded list.

Fred-Chess 00:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Finally got around to editing the "filmography" and "theatrical work" sections, both of which I revised into "selected ...". I took your advice and removed the red linked films. Then I wiki-linked all the plays under "theatrical work" and removed all the red linked plays. I know that you suggested that I only mention the most important stage credits, however, I did not feel that I could do this fairly--as I'm not really a fan of the theatre. I found that most of the plays that did wiki-link were considered important plays (according to their self-respective articles) for various reasons. Let me know if you approve.

Lastly, I know that you wanted me to prosify the list of Awards and nomination section. This is going to be a beast. You wouldn't have any actual good examples that I could look at (other than the embedded list of course)? b_cubed 07:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I just tried to rewrite some of the awards in. I was able to put one in about both McDiarmid and Kent sharing an award but if I try to incorporate the others it simply ruins the prose. This was my best attempt:

McDiarmid is renowned for his work in British theatre, having won plaudits as an actor and director from a wide variety of sources. He has received the most success through his role as Teddy in Brian Friel's The Faith Healer (first in 2001 at the Almeida and again in a revival in 2006 on Broadway). For his role as Teddy, McDiarmid has won a Tony Award for Best Performance by a Featured Actor in a Play (2006), a London Critics Circle Award for Best Theatre Actor twice (2001 & 2006), as well as the Clarence Derwent Award for Best Supporting Actor (2002). For his part in the revival of Faith Healer on Broadway he has also won a Theatre World Award for Outstanding Debut Performance, and been nominated for both the Drama League Award for Distinguished Performance and the Outer Critics Circle Award for Outstanding Actor in a Play.
McDiarmid has also been the recipient of the following awards for best actor: the Laurence Olivier Award (1982), the Manchester Evening News Award (1995), and the Theatre Management Associations Theatre Award (2005). McDiarmid has won the Time Out Award for Directing twice; first in 1985 and then again in 1990.
One theatrical performance of note is his portrayal of the lead character Harry Hackamore in Sam Shepard's play Seduced. By McDiarmid's own description, Hackamore was a Howard Hughes-type character. To play the part, he was made-up in prosthetics, including a false beard and long fingernails, to resemble Hackamore. McDiarmid was only 37 at the time, and this convinced George Lucas and Richard Marquand that he could convincingly play a much older character in extreme cinematic close-up, which helped him land the role of Palpatine.^[1]

b_cubed 08:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

This article has been on hold for over a week, but Fred, I'd like to know, you want the awards to be in prose, but right now it appears to be in a chart rather than a list :/. Homestarmy 15:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I have been waiting for other reviewers. Not much good in trying to push my own comments too far, as we've seen.

I think the award list is OK but I think the list of all stage credit is redundant.

Fred-Chess 17:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of the list and incorporated a few plays into the prose. Let me know if something else needs to be done for a GA. b_cubed 18:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

That appears to be everything, i'll promote the article then. 15:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Awards and nominations

I corrected a few mistakes.
a) Faith Healer didn't play in London in 2005, hence the London Critics Circle Award 2006 is wrongly listed. I deleted it.
b) It's Theatrical Management Association, not Theatre Management Association, source: http://www.tmauk.org/
c) In 2004, McDiarmid wasn't only nominated for the TMA award, but won it, source: http://www.tmauk.org/awards/previousawards.aspx
d) Ben Jonson's play is called Volpone, not Valpone.
OeilletRouge 21:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)