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[edit] Devanagari problems

Hello, please read this. Thank you. GizzaChat © 08:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi, I see that you're intrested in Indian history and religion. If you take a look in hereyou'll see that we have a very active neo buddhist on our hands, who would like to malign Hinduism every chance he gets. Please vote accordingly here, I'll work on most of his articles to make them neutral and according to wikipedia policy as well. Best Regards. Freedom skies 12:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

You struck out my request for a citation for the following statement: "Followers of the Jain and Sikh faiths are considered broader Hindus according to the social-fabric of India.", with the edit comment "There is no need of a citation for that fact". The reason I asked for a citation is that the statement would be considered controversial by some members of those faiths. Also the term "social-fabric" is a little vague in this context; a citation indicating where this term is used and to what degree the opinion stated in the sentence is a reflection of the debate on the subject is called for. Please specify why you think this is not a problem, or else reintroduce the cn tag. Thank you. Hornplease 15:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

There is no need for a citation. Come to India, and witness on your own. There is no need to provide a URL/citation for each and every reference as some facts are very well known (like Eiffel tower is in Paris). 'Social-Fabric' means relationships between various communities--the fabric is the same, but at various parts there are different designs.IAF
Thank you for your reply. However well-known the facts, I am afraid that when they are contested by some, as these facts will be, a citation is expected under WP:V. Otherwise anyone who disagrees with your view will be able to remove the statement without thinking twice. Hornplease 17:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi! I'm still waiting on a reply to this. Or should I assume that you agree, and a citation is needed? Thanks! Hornplease 07:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your signature

You may want to know that your signature, instead of linking to YOUR userpage links to the user page of a banned user. After I post this comment, you can see the HTML code for signature's that work. You should change all the "Bakasuprman" and "Bakaman" to "IAF" and play around with the bold, and color things.Bakaman Bakatalk 03:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPKF

If you have an issue with the IPKF article, especially the human rights violation section, please provide references that can suggest that these are not true. However, please do not delete the section, as the claims themselves have been referenced to reputable publications. Such actions are considered vandalism. Rueben lys 13:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Why do want to include LTTE propaganda ?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by IAF (talk).

It is not propaganda at all.There are reputable publications that have documented the claims that have been made in the article.If you wish to provide an opposing view point,please provide a verifiable account that says so. Your post makes it clear that you are editing (deleting) with a POV issue,which makes it count as vandalism. You are welcome to forth your views, but please do not delete those of others, especially when these are verifiable facts. Wikipedia is not the place to settle disputes, no matter how strongly you feel about it. It is a place for facts. Hope you will contribute with your views which will be just as much appreciated.Rueben lys 21:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Please note that deleting well-sourced information from an article without consensus is considered vandalism and you may be blocked for doing so. Please read WP:NPOV before making any further edits. Thanks. --Yamla 15:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IAF to rueben_lys and reply

Your post makes it clear that you want to add anti-IPKF POV into the IPKF article (no matter how "well" sourced). I can't include jehadi philosophy and the sorrow-laden story of Osama bin Laden into the 9/11 article can I ?

All deletion is not vandalism (no matter how well referenced), especially if it is done to remove off-topic matter and PoV like yours. However, wanton stuffing of unrelated matter like you have done can be counted as vandalism. Indian Air Force (IAF)

My post does not make clear anything because I am asking you not to delete sections of the article that does not agree with your POV. Deletion of well referenced facts for the purpose of preventing it from coming into the reader's view (as you're trying to do) is vandalism. And it is not for you to decide what philosophy gets included because you do not own the article.

Please think, your edits can be compared to somebody trying to edit US army human rights abuse in Iraq. No matter how much it has been proven or not, these are things for the reader to judge based on how verfiable they are. If you feel these are overtly POV, add the Neutrality disputed Tag (:
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page.

). Otherwise you are making bad faith edits. The allegations of Human rights abuse by the IPKF are not wanton or off-topic as you allege, they are one of the many parts of the break down of the Indo-Srilankan-LTTE accord. Also, you may have come under the impression that I am promoting an anti-IPKF, or anti-India POV, but I have not made any major contributions to the IPKF page, so you are chatting rubbish there. I have started and made significant contributions to Operation Poomalai and The Jaffna University Helidrop, which were operations mounted by the Indian Air Force, and the IPKF respectively, with the intentions of putting forth both a balanced factual description of the Indian forces in Srilanka (who I am pretty proud of, being Indian myself) . I don't know a lot about the IPKF, but I haven't made any bad faith or POV edits because I also respect those from both sides who died during the Indian intervention believeing that they died for the right cause (even the Tamil Tigers, who fought the IPKF thinking India was going to occupy their land). Also, I am sure you will see from my contributions, that I have started a lot of articles on the Indian armed forces (Especially those during the 1971 War), but with a factual description in mind and not POVs, so please do not accuse me of pushing an anti-India POV.

Hope you will understand my point. Rueben lys 14:04, 30 November 2006 (UTC) Lastly,

I have to butt in into your discussion - I have changed the title of the section to "Alleged". Of the sources given, I find only the Indian Express source credible enough. And even that talks about the 'Massacre' being hte result of an earlier ambush by the LTTE on IPKF. The Tamilnet source is not a neutral source as it is a site heavily biased in favour of the LTTE. A more balanced view of the events can be found on this site. http://www.uthr.org/ - Please check it out jaiiaf 15:39, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Jai, and for the last time IAF, I have not made any contribution to this effing article, so I can't be introducing any PoVs by Common Sense!!!, so stop ranting about my PoV, I don't have a PoV!!! if I did, it would be the same as yours!!! And no!!!, massacres of Tamils by the Sinala are not relevant!!! but the allegations of massacres by the IPKF are issues that concerns the IPKF and the Indian intervention in Srilanka. Look at the edit that jaiiaf has done, that's how you introduce NPOV, not by blanket deletion of anything that doesn't make you happy. I introduced an NPOV tag sometime ago, and somebody removed it. But the wayforward is not deletion, but to say that the facts and POVs are disputed!!!. Otherwise it will keep getting reverted because people automatically assume you're making bad faith edits!!! And stop accusing me of introducing POV when I haven't written anything in it, makes you look like school kid arguing in playground!!!.Rueben lys 16:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Reuben, If I may add, a closer look reveals that even the "Asian Tribune" is not a neutral source. So out of the 'three' massacres - only the Indian Express report has some scope. And it does not take into account that the patrol was ambushed and six Sikh soldiers lost their lives. You can query the Indian Army Official site for Op Pawan and filter the dates to 2 August 89 for the names. The main problem with the IPKF article is there is very little meat about the IPKF operations. One can write pages and pages on it but the fighting merely covered by two paras. I suggest rather than fighting over the atrocities, we focus on building the operations part of it. jaiiaf 00:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you on that count jai, and certainly the article on IPKF should say more about the organisation and operations. I have found some stuff in bharat-rakshak and other sites which can be used. But just deleting the disputed section outright suggest bad faith edits and are always reverted, which what's been happening here. Also, the way forward is to add NPOV tags and to edit the article towards NPOV instead of outright deletion as IAF has done. I think the problem is IAF assumed I have a PoV to promote, which I don't. Hope that clears things out IAF.Rueben lys 16:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
If you were not a moronic idiot, I would carry on this conversation, but as is blatantly clear, you not only lack intelligence even of a fish, but you are also a loud mouthed brainless twit. Reversion is not counted as contribution, and I reverted your edits for the reasons I have tried through all of the above paras to hammer into your matterless hollow brain. Your edits made it look like you were making bad faith edits (which I now do actually do think you are). To make an article NPOV, you are supposed to include both sides of the story. So if the LTTE alleges something, you say that the LTTE alleges this, instead of blanking it out. You, me, LTTE,the IPKF or even President Bush does not own the article, so there can't be any question of allowing LTTEs view point. If you think that's propaganda, go and say so in the IPKF page. But as a combatant, the LTTE is allowed to have it's view point, you are welcome to add LTTE atrocities against the IPKF. As I said before, the allegations of atrocities were real allegations and one of the key reasons why the Indo-Srilankan accord broke down. But of course, you don't listen to rhyme or reason, and have come to the moronic conclusion that I have some kinda anti-IPKF POV. So instead of helping any of us guys (eg, me or jaiiaf) who are actually writing about the IPKFs military roles and operations, you can only slag us off and try to pretend you know so much about this topic, which obviously are totally ignirant about. I do not wish to carry on this conversation, it only makes me sad that people like proudly trumpet your Indianness and then act like complete idiots. Good luck with your edits.15:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I see no harm in placing of Ayyavazhi in the article. Ayyavazhi is a dharmic faith and like paths within Hinduism (consider Vedanta) it can be described as a school with emphasised features and hence deserves a mention.

If someone was to place Vedanta as a dharmic school I would'nt object to it. Hinduism has several such schools and it only mentions the distinct nature of the faith within Hinduism.

My idea, no harm in letting it stay. It does'nt mean that Ayyavazhi is seperate, it just means that it is a Dharmic faith, within or outside of Hinduism is described in the Ayyavazhi article. In the Dharmic religions article, all faiths of dharmic origin, within or outside Hinduism deserve a mention.

Freedom skies (send a message to Freedom skies) 18:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I placed a citation on the Dharmic religions page, it has the constituion of India accepting them as Hindus. Please do take a look at the article. Relax, the more people know about Ayyavazhi the more they'll know the truth.

Freedom skies (send a message to Freedom skies) 22:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

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