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[edit] Welcome

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[edit] Groner

Is Groner really noteworthy? Why not then add the head of adas, and all the other communities in melb.? You already have Rabbi Chaim Gutnick, which is considered noteworthy by all melb. communities. Ems2 17:18, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I think he is the driving force behind many remarkable spects of the Melbourne community (e.g. very high affiliation rates, Jewish day school attendance) which impacts far beyond the Chabad in Melbourne community.Hyim 17:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, but this is Chabad only, if the head of adas it not noteworthy, then why should Groner be? Rabbi Chaim Gutnick on the other hand had a huge impact on the whole Jewish community directly. While Groner only indirectly had an impact.
I think you err. For example, he was an active particpant in starting the Mt. Scopus schools and so forth. Further, Lubavitch in Melbourne is an important community in the scope of Melbourbne's Jewish community, considering that over 50% of the local rabbis in MO Shuls are educated in the Chabad Kollel that Rabbi Groner founded.Hyim 03:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

However, you should see the difference inbetween him and Rabbi Pinchas Feldman, who brought, trained or put money down for the Rabbis to every shul besides one in Sydney. Which makes him noteworthy to the whole Jewish community in NSW, however Groner isn't to the whole melb. Jewish community, he might of done his share in building up the community, but if we where to mention everyone else that helped the list would be too long. So, we don't, I see no need to make an execption for Groner. Ems2 05:29, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

What ax are you trying to grind? No one is comparing him or not comparing to RPF. Face it, RYDG is one of the most senior Shluchim of the Lubavitcher Rebbe; has had a significant impact on his community for over 50 years; is both a scholar and a leader. [1] [2]
You said it yourself, "shluchim of the Lubavitcher Rebbe," he may be big in the Lubavitch community. However, not as big in the Jewish community as a whole, to be listed in a list of Australian Jews. If you mention a few things he has built/pioneered that also affects the whole Jewish community directly, then that may make him noteworthy on the list. Note the list isn't a list of anash, rather of Jews. Ems2 20:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Ems2: Above I linked to articles in the (non-Chabad-by-any-means) Jewish newspaper that indicate that RYDG's impact goes far beyond the Chabad community. Indeed, I recall he recieved a medal from the Australian government, or some similar award. Finally, why did nominate RPF to be the chief rabbi of Australia, as this is not factual. I think that you should re-read NPOV Hyim 23:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Then Rabbi Bension Milecki would be as noteworthy, he has been in the AJN more times than Groner. RPF won awards from the government in both 1995 and 2002, this means nothing for being noteworthy in the list. Rabbi Milecki also won one of these awards once, and I don't see myself putting him on the list.

Because RB Milecky is the rabbi of a single Shul -- no more. Same with Lesches. What did he do precisely? And why is more noteable than Groner?????
Lesches did a lot, and is well respected by the Jewish community as a whole. But, I would agree that he isn't notable on the list. He isn't even in Sydney anymore. Ems2 12:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Rabbi Apple passed the status of chief Rabbi for NSW to RPF when he stepped down, I never said of Australia. Look there are many other people as noteworthy as Groner, but the list has to have some type of standard. Ems2 21:20, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Face it, Ems2, Rabbi Feldman failed at maintaining "his" mosdos. Instead, he ran to to the ground. Groner, is far more successful at his Shlichus.
On the "chief rabbi" page you absolutly attemted to nominate RPF as the chief rabbi of Australia. [3]. This is a direct violation of NPOV.

WIKIPEDIA is NOT about success at shlichut. It is about encyclopedic knowledge. Remember this, all the time, while editing here, and concentrate on what needs to be relevant information for the world community in 10, 20, 50, 100 years time. jnothman talk 03:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Do I feel that the impact of Rabbi YD Groner on the Jewish community in Melbourne will be relevant in 10, 20, 50 or 100 years? Yes! In many respect, Melbourne today is a model Jewish community (well, aside from the Beis Din and acceptance of gays), with high affiliation rates, day school attendance and so forth. Much of this Jewish infrastructure can be attributed to the direct impact (and ripple effect) of Rabbi Y. D. Groner. Here is what the Australian Jewish News said about him when it created a fantasy roster of Passover guests: RABBI YITZCHOK DOVID GRONER, Lubavitcher chief rabbi. YOU don’t have to be Orthodox let alone Chabad-Lubavitch to admire and respect the 80-year-old leader of the movement in this country, who was first sent here in 1947 by the Lubavitcher Rebbe. A fantasy seder without Rabbi Groner is akin to a Shabbat meal without challah. He’s an essential, irresistible ingredient, whose interpretations and commentaries would captivate any audience, anywhere, any time.
Should he be included in a list of Jewish religious figures in Australia (as that is what we are discussing, in fact)? Absolutely yes.Hyim 04:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you on the notability and possibly significance of RYDG. But what I cannot agree with is your attitude and incivility. "Face it," is not the sort of thing you need to say to make an argument nor does defaming one subject, or measuring their success (which is POV and original research), improve the encyclopaedic candidacy of another subject. Referring to "Rabbi Feldman failed at maintaining "his" mosdos. Instead, he ran to to the ground. Groner, is far more successful at his Shlichus." This is why my comment above was upset! Please be civil! jnothman talk 00:36, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Now what about other community Rabbonim?

Now that we agree that YDG is noteworthy, I don't see why you shouldn't add the heads of other melb. communities. eg Adas. ems 15:55, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Have these groups (Adas, mizrachi, liberal) had an impact worthy of inclusion in an encyclopdia? If so, by all means they should be included.Hyim 16:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
You should know them - I can't say I do. All Yidden are needed to bring Moshiach, not just chabad. ems 14:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi: I came across your discussion/s here. Please take care not to create articles about every "Tom, Dick, and Harry" if they are not genuinely noteworthy. This will detract from genuinely important names we do have in Category:Rabbis and especially in Category:Orthodox rabbis. Wikipedia is NOT an international "phone book". Articles about people that are not noteworthy will be nominated for Wikipedia:Speedy deletions. See also Wikipedia:Importance especially Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Thanks for considering the importance of solid contributions that are not just trivia. IZAK 14:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbi Raichik

Thanks for the article. It really made my day. PhatJew 06:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all the other stubs, too. You going to include the Shochet family? PhatJew 06:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week

Hi Hyim, I've created an Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. I'd love to see your comments, improvements, amendations and nominations, preferably all on the discussion or the actual page there. Many thanks, Nesher 17:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism

Dear Hyim! I have created Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism. Please put it on your watchlist, and please add relevant AfD's as you find them. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:57, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your contact info

Hi Hyim: Hope all is well. You have not enabled your Wikipedia Email feature in your "tool box" on the left hand side of your user page. Sometimes editors overlook that when it's a useful way of staying in touch with other editors. Best wishes. Shalom, IZAK 15:33, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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