Talk:Hydrogen bromide

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Ś== Proposed merger == I support the merger of HBr and hydrobromic acid. These are distinct species as can be explained in the article but 99% or those seeking info from WE will not understand the distinction. Also most of the chemistry of these two species is highly inter-related. --Smokefoot 17:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I too support the merger. Karlhahn 00:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Since hydrobromic acid is simply hydrogen bromide in aqueous form, the two species should be handled together. --VFMOON 21:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Just be sure to distinguish HBr and hydrobromic acid 2 The articles should be merged 3 Equations 4 Of course they should be merged

[edit] Just be sure to distinguish HBr and hydrobromic acid

just be sure to tell readers that these species are not identical. hydrobromic acid is a fully ionized species of relatively vague nature H₉O₄⁺ Br^-? whereas hydrogen bromide is a covalent, non-ionic species. Also, interestingly, one can be made from the other. (hence it being a gas at STP).--Smokefoot 21:45, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. While structurally compounds are similar, their uses vary. hydrobromic acid is useful in the synthesis of inorganic bromides and organic substitution reactions while hydrogen bromide is more useful in organic reactions. There is not a lot on one page the relates to the other except that dissolving one in water yields the other. Dracofhc 20:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)Mark

I also prefer to keep separate pages. I realise we often don't separate in this way, but I think there's a good reason they have different names. If you want a model, look at hydrogen chloride and hydrochloric acid. I also echo Mark's comments. Walkerma 02:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I also have come to see the value in keeping two articles. Maybe some of our students and populace would come to understand that HBr and the acid are different.Smokefoot 02:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Readers should be able to distinguish the two acids, instead of just thinking of them as the same thing.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO WAY!!!!!!!

I agree with Mark - it makes sense to keep them seperate, but HBr, which currently redirects to hydrobromic acid, should really redirect to hydrogen bromide. Chris

Hydrogen bromide is HBr, while Hydrobromic acid is HBrO3

[edit] The articles should be merged

However, it should be stated that HBr is reffered to as hydrobromic acid only when it is sufficiently ionized in an aqueous solution. --65.25.48.230 19:25, 23 April 2006 (UTC) by E-unit

[edit] Equations

Should the equations be HTML based not LaTex based? it looks like its really screwing with the page layouts.

Ryan Jones 15:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Of course they should be merged

Hydrogen chloride and hydrochloric acid are not very good articles, in contrast with hydroiodic acid/hydrogen iodide, which have been merged. In fact, notice that this article is still labeled as a stub. HCl(g) and (aq) should be merged, too, I think. Both the acids and the diatomic molecules them selves are just as oftenly used in inorganic and organic synthesis, what do you mean? Anyhow, it's just two different states, one aqueous one gaseous; we don't separate steam, ice, and water, do we? Kr5t 21:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I used to be pro-merge but now for the main mineral acids, now I am anti.Few appreciate that one is a gas that has remarkably different utility and the other is an ionic solution that is a very different reagent. We need no separate article on HCl in CH2Cl2 and one could be picky and ask should we have a dilute H2SO4 article or a HBr in MeOH article.Etc. --Smokefoot 04:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

We are not talking about an aqueous state and a gaseous state here, these are different compounds, hydrobromic acid is a solution of HBr in water, hence, not different states. Ice, water, and steam are indeed different states (by the way, Kr5t, we have different pages for them). So I am a bit ambiguous about the merger, HBr is different from hydrobromic acid, the same goes for HI and hydroiodic acid, sulfur trioxide and sulfuric acid, which would suppert a non-merge. But .. I don't think that HBr and HI have a lot that people should now about. Still, I feel like they should have different pages (pages don't have to be big). --Dirk Beetstra 16:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Most of the information on the hydrobromic acid page is already on the hydrogen bromide page (except for the SO₂ preparation). Indeed the hydrogen bromide page is already virtually a merged version. Karlhahn 00:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)