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[edit] Population of Hyderabad

Just a point to raise, that Hyderabad is not the 5th largest metropolis in India, it is actually the 6th behind Bangalore which is the 5th largest. The link to the largest metropolitan areas of the world lists Hyderabad as the 40th largest metropolis in the world and Bangalore 37th largest in the world. I am going to fix this discrepancy. Nitnaga211.31.206.61 08:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hyderabad 5th largest city

I would however disagree with the statment made by the earlier author in this case.The citation given refering to Hyderabad as 6th largest city is based on population but not by area.The fact that Hyderabad comes after chennai in reference to area in square kms, can be checked with any Indian governmental organisation dealing geographyical aspects . This fact has always been mislead because of the edge Banglore city has as a software hub. In reference with population too,recent census data however state's that Hyderabad's population has already crossed that of Bangalore's.I kindly request that the authenticity of this fact be quoted based on a citation from Indian governmental organization, rather than a non -indian to obviate any ambiguity here in.

The discrepancy has already been corrected by me.

[ [User:Purush] [2:13PM, 16 November 2006]

[edit] Accomodation & Markets and Shopping Malls

I feel that these sections don't belong to this place as the correct place for them will be the wikitravel article. Most of the things are already present there and only a few more details will have to be moved. Please let me know your opinions on this. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Location of Hyderabad

I feel that the map shown to give an idia of the location of hyderabad is very drab, could somebody add a better map? 12.10.219.45 06:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I feel that the map is ok. Click on the map to see a larger image(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:India-hyderabad.png). Sumanthk 06:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] annual temperature

somebody put the annual temperature in HYD as 25-27 C, ya right, I have lived in HYD all my life and in summer the temperature hits 45 C easily if not more. I have changed that fact to reflect that. 25-27 C, what do you think, this is Hawaii?

only 45? Where were you last summer when it hit 50? ;) --h y dka t 06:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Need to archieve the talk

Need an admin's help to archieve old talk threads. Chirag 21:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Archive does not need a admin. Any one can do it. See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page. - Ganeshk (talk) 21:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The French Page

Hi, have a look at this. http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyder%C3%A2b%C3%A2d_%28Inde%29 The only listing on Hyderabad in the French Wikipedia seems to be that on the former kingdom. From the look, it does not seem to be NPOV. can any one knowledgeable in French go and edit it.

[edit] Removed Consulate general of IRAN section

I removed the section below: Too unimportant for the entry on this city. Maybe a page a Counsulates of Iran could be opened??

Consulate general of IRAN

Since the city of Hyderabad has been one of the centers of attraction for Iranians and since old days a noticeable number of Iranian has been settling in this city in 1970 the government of IRAN decided to have a new representative in this city, Count out its embassy in New Delhi and consulate general in Mumbai, In order to offer better service to Iranians who settled in Hyderabad and Deccan. This consulate has been located in the area of Banjara Hills (High class area of this city)

--h y dka t 11:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about maps and fabcity

A Google Maps API Implementation for Hyderabad

I'm removing the link above from external links... there is a geolinks template directly above this link which makes this link redundant.

Fabcity is already referenced. --h y dka t 07:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I have created a mapping service specific to Hyderabad which makes perfect sense unlike wikimapia where people submit crap and the links in the existing geolinks have you tried globalguide? how far it is justified to map the city properly just checkout where the links on the right saying shamshabad point to? show me a service currently online which maps localities in Hyderabad to relevant coordinates. Many people have found my implementation useful in terms of information and code so I dont see a point in removing the link which is non commercial and only service which properly tries to map the city. I also like to mention that soon will be creating a geocoding webservice specific to Hyderabad. Please note that this is a contribution I made for my city and I dont benefit from it. Its a service.

Sumith 11:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For The Editors

Would you consider adding http://www.fullhyderabad.com in the "External Links" part? It is a professionally maintained and fairly comprehensive dedicated guide to Hyderabad and Secunderabad, updated twice every day. Thanks. 59.93.83.64 08:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed the section below....

[edit] Other Icons

Shyam Benegal - Films Director
Rakesh Sharma- first Indian in outer space

..as it was in the sports section --h y dka t 08:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no move —Mets501 (talk) 16:32, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Hyderabad, India → Hyderabad (India) — User Tobias Conradi recently moved the page from Hyderabad (India) to its old name Hyderabad, India citing Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names) which redirects to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements) where the subsection India uses Hyderabad (India) as an example of the correct naming style for its case! Note that he has created a disambig page out of Hyderabad (India) taking elements that already exist in the Hyderabad disambig page. -- h y dka t 13:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add * '''Support''' or * '''Oppose''' on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

Support As per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements)#India --h y dka t 13:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Support per hydkat. Besides, I dont see the required discussions for a move against the naming conventions.--thunderboltz^(Deepu) 14:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- the move was not against but inline with WP:NC:CITY - if you don't assume the insertion by one user to be part of the policy. - Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
strong Oppose - the section in WP:NC:CITY that you cite was only inserted by the user who moved several city articles to "City (India)" against the global WP city naming conventions. [1] Cities in India should be handled like all other cities in the world: use comma dab for settlements. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 18:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Your point makes sense, but we are disambiguating between two places from different countries. If it were simply a district or state I'd agree. Braces makes a lot more sense here. Otherwise it seems as if we are saying that the two Hyderabad cities fall in the districts of India and Pakistan!!! --h y dka t 13:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose - I had a discussion earlier with Tobias regarding this. I had given it a lot of thought and changed my mind. It would be nice for everyone on Wikipedia to follow a single convention. WP:NC:CITY states that X, Y is the currently the most used method for geography-related articles. If we follow the global convention, then there would less confusion I think. I am currently using the comma format across the board, for districts, towns, villages, taluks etc. -- Ganeshk (talk) 18:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Plz read my above comment. Can Y in X, Y be the name of a country, when it is usually a state or district? --h y dka t 13:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it can. This is currently applied to WP articles worldwide (except some Nichalp & Co. moved pages in India and Pakistan). Read WP:NC:CITY Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hydkat, I don't see why Y should mean a district or a state, it could mean a country too. What's happening because of using paranthesis in some names is that it is spreading to other city articles where comma should be used. If we follow comma everywhere, this kind of thing will not happen. -- Ganeshk (talk) 16:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

In the point of view of an editor; yes that is a potential problem. But in the point of view of an article browser there's quite a difference between saying Bilaspur, Chhattisgarh and Hyderabad, India, it just sounds absurd. Especially if it is in a list like List of cities in India --h y dka t 17:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The list that you point should not be showing dab names. It should show [[Hyderabad, India|Hyderabad]]. The reader would notice no difference. -- Ganeshk (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Support This move is backwards. The original name name that seemed to have been accepted by the regular editors is "Hyderabad (India)". The recent move to "Hyderabad, India" without discussion should be immediately reversed. --Polaron | Talk 14:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

what do you mean by backwards? Do you want to develop WP backward as opposed to the majority of editors here? I don't know what the original name was, but if you have a badly named article you should not stick to the original bad name. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Note that most encyclopedias disambiguate using parentheses. Why should articles about cities be different. By backwards, I meant that you moved it without discussion so it should be moved back first, then you can propose a move to your preferred style. While it may have been moved by another user before you did, there were no complaints until your move. --Polaron | Talk 15:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

"most encyclopedias disambiguate using parentheses" - WP does not so for settlements, read the policy WP:NC:CITY. I need to propose a move while the move in the other direction by Nichalp does not need to be proposed? The article was violating WP:NC:CITY. Change WP:NC:CITY if you like settlements in India to be treated different to all other settlements around the world. I would vote against this, if you propose it, because I prefer consisteny. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Nothing violates WP:NC:CITY. The move was proposed and put into effect there itself. You started to move your own styles without discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.147.22.210 (talk) 12:26, 30 October 2006

Even discounting the India entry, the guideline says there are several disambiguation styles with the comma currently the most commonly used. Using parentheses is listed as an option so it is not against the guideline. This is a matter of preference. In fact, there have been many city articles using parentheses before you changed them yourself. --Polaron | Talk 15:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose. Keep it simple and follow the most-used city format. Gene Nygaard 05:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Err.. You're mentioning a popular city format that is used by American media agencies to classify non-US cities. That goes against the grain of having localized flavors of naming conventions. Tobias, there is nothing wrong about it. You move pages according to your conventions when the parenthesis is a perfectly legal method of disambiguating. Wikipedia follows local standards, when necessary, not the ones you keep rigidly applying. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.147.22.210 (talk) 12:26, 30 October 2006

Support if that's the convention for India. Someone deleted the entire India part when I checked. — AjaxSmack 08:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, it's back. Change the convention and I'll change my vote. Otherwise, still support. — AjaxSmack 17:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
  - Both that and the opposing convention are there as proposals. Why one rather than the other? Septentrionalis 16:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Support. Either comma-state or parens-country. Comma-country should not be used for large, familiar, and (most particularly) federal nations. Bolivian Unicyclist 12:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Comma separation works for other countries (Russia being an good example); I see no reason why it wouldn't work for India as well. Getting rid of parenthethes is a little but an important step forward towards the naming consistency.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Oppose It's a proposed convention which is itself a subject of a revert war. Unless some evidence of local usage can be presented. Septentrionalis 22:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Kochi (India) is a featured article set to appear on the main page tomorrow --h y dka t 14:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Strong opppose - the internationally recognised format for naming a city is {{city name}], {{country}} (or {{city name}], {{state}}, {{country}}. Putting India in brackets a) looks stupid; b) does not aid Wikipedia in any way; and c) defies international naming conventions. DJR (T) 02:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. See how Encarta does it. --Polaron | Talk 02:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- In that case Encarta is just exhibiting inconsistency and/or double standards for its articles. DJR (T) 12:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
  - I'm not sure what you mean by double standards or inconsistency. Parentheses is how Encarta does disambiguation for all its articles. --Polaron | Talk 14:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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Much of the discussion above suggests that Hyderabad, Andra Pradesh would be better than either choice here, but it's not on the table. Septentrionalis 22:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem here is that there is another Hyderabad: Hyderabad (Pakistan) (which too was recently changed to Hyderabad, Pakistan) --h y dka t 13:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

What problem? Call that city Hyderabad, Sindh if you like, or leave it where it is. No one is suggesting that simple Hyderabad be anything but a dab page. Septentrionalis 16:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. I somehow don't like Hyderabad, Sindh or Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh; it doesn't show that they are in different countries. But if you use that form then the comma separation is ok: its convention. If , India or , Pakistan is used... well you know what stand is :) --h y dka t 20:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] move to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh

since there is also Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

support Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
- this would also prevent wrong merger proposals. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 19:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
support Ganeshk (talk) 19:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
support. much better. Bolivian Unicyclist 23:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
~~support Sumanth 03:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)~~
- weak oppose. After going through Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh article i feel that this name change would just confuse readers who do not know about states in India.
oppose why? I never even heard of that village before today. (sorry, I can't call it anything else considering its population) Now that it was recently moved back to Hyderabad, India - why not stick to it? --h y dka t 06:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV objections

"The dialect spoken in Hyderabad and the surrounding areas of Telangana is distinct from the dialect of the coastal Andhra region. Hyderabad and the rest of Telangana have a unique culture of their own in comparison to the coastal and Rayalseema regions of Andhra Pradesh. The Telugu spoke here has assimilated many Urdu words into it. And the Urdu spoken here is also unique, with some Marathi words and a unique Hyderabad accent, giving rise to a dialect sometimes called as Hyderabadi Hindi."

Above passage from intro need to be rewritten..looks like It was written by a telangana seperatist and plus the paragraph does'nt deserve to be in intro can be moved to culture section. for the following reasons

Hyderabadi hindi is not equivalent to telangana telugu. Hyderabadi telugu is similiar to telugu spoken in Nalgonda area. constrasting with only Coastal dialect is POV. I would say Hyderabad and surrounding areas have a distinct dialect than the rest of the state would be a more NPOV statement.
Hyderabad has unique culture vis-a-vis Adilabad, khammam or Mahabubnagar. so constrasting with only coastal and Rayalaseema is biased.

--Vyzasatya 16:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Contrasting it with just the coastal region is not appropriate. Hydereabad has its own unique dialect compared to the rest of the state. I will rephrase the paragraph.

Sumanth 12:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I've also removed the sentence which clubs "hyderabad and the rest of telangana". That would be more appropriate in the Telangana article.

Sumanth 12:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] gateway of south india?

i dont think so.. never heard it being used in that sense.

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