Talk:Hurricane Iniki

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[edit] Enid

Since when is Iniki Hawaiian for Enid?

I agree, and removed it. --Golbez 18:09, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
Iniki is indeed Hawaiian for Enid, see here: [1]. I reverted the edit.
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I lived thru Iniki, and I have never heard anything about it being called Enid. From what I remember, Iniki is a word for "Fierce Wind." I could understand if Iniki and Enid started with the same letter, but they don't, so it can't be a renamed storm or anything... --Max Johnson

Yes, well, the CPHC says it's Hawaiian for Enid. Take it up with them. --Golbez 16:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Storm history

The 'storm history' for this storm is obnoxiously long. Jdorje 08:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Todo

More impact, separate the preparations out of the storm history and put them into their own section, and the intro needs a little work. Jdorje 20:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Sidewalk and tree damage from Iniki
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Sidewalk and tree damage from Iniki
Almost done. I uploaded an extra picture that I wasn't sure where it could go, located to the right. If you can't see it, it is a damaged sidewalk from the storm surge and high winds. In addition, I found an overhead view of the damage located here, though wasn't sure if it would be appropriate for the article. Hurricanehink 18:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Okeydoke, this article is re-done. Is it a B or better yet? Hurricanehink 22:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Looks good, could be A/FA. It's unlikely anyone will find anything more to add to this storm (but see my question below). — jdorje (talk) 23:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Yea, doubt it can have any more info. Where should the table for costliest EPAC canes go? I'm glad you got rid of the picuture (did little), so maybe there? I don't know, it would be out of place... Possibly a list of Hawaiian hurricanes? Something should go there, though. It looks like something's missing. Maybe a different view of it making landfall, like this? Hurricanehink 01:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
That picture's just like the one in the infobox. — jdorje (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Yea, but a different perspective. I just had another idea. Once the Global ISCCP B1 Browse System (this) is working, maybe there could be a picture of Iniki while passing south of Hawaii. I dunno. Hurricanehink 02:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Crap, no picture of it from that site. Oh well, I suppose it's good enough as it is. What more is needed for A class? Hurricanehink 20:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it's A-class now. Nominate it on the wikiproject page. Maybe we should PR and FA this one before Georges...because it's so much shorter it'll be less work. Still todo however: change the references to use proper citations with {{web reference}} and {{news reference}}. See Dennis, Floyd, and Okee for examples. — jdorje (talk) 20:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The references are fixed with proper citations. Hurricanehink 00:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Costliest/most intense

Is Iniki the costliest Pacific hurricane? It's certainly the most intense U.S. Pacific hurricane. These should be mentioned (probably in the intro and storm history). Should we have tables for these things (like {{Costliest US Atlantic hurricanes}})? — jdorje (talk) 23:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Officially, it is the costliest, but some hurricanes, like Pauline, might have caused more (their USD amounts are unknown). These are the costliest EPAC tropical cyclones with a damage total of over $1 million (2005 USD). Hurricanehink 01:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

So I guess it's the costliest U.S. Pacific hurricane? And, what's the source for this list? — jdorje (talk) 01:36, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Um, the Top Arizona Hurricane/Tropical Storm events says that 1983's Octave caused 370 million dollars in today's money. I don't the year that was so it cannot be adjusted (It must be between 2005 and 1997). Also, the 1970 MWR says Norma in 1970 caused 1 million in damage. That would be enough to make it to the list. Finally, I think there should be articles for everything from Dot up (except for Octave 1983 due to too little info). Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 02:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
OK. I just went by the storm summaries in the list of Pacific hurricane seasons. I'm not sure what we should do about Octave. It never even made landfall. One reason we might not include it is because the damage came from multiple storms' remnants. What does anyone else think? Hurricanehink 02:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
The sources for the Hawaiian ones and John are the CPHC website. For Bridget and the 1943 hurricane it is that years Monthly Weather Review. For Raymond, Calvin, Nora, Kenna, and Winifred, it the the NHC storm reports. For Kathleen, I found various estimates and took the highest and lowest ones I found to get the range. For Norma (which is combined with Lidia), it is from a online New York Times article and a Texas NWS site. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

We can't have a "trivia" section. However the info in it isn't trivia at all (except for the part about the coincidence). We should fold it into the impact or aftermath sections. — jdorje (talk) 04:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

The trivia could easily go in the impact section, although re-worded a bit. Hurricanehink 12:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FAC Time?

The article assessment recommended it, and I can't think of anything else to do here. And Hurricane Floyd has been promoted. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 18:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Unless we've got a better candidate, sure. — jdorje (talk) 18:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
There's one major problem with the article. It is only ~14 kb long. Typical FA's are much longer, normally at the very least 15 kb. If the length is too short for it to be a FA, what section or sections should be expanded? After all, it did only effect one place.... Hurricanehink 03:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Lack of length is not a problem in my opinion. The question is whether there's anything the article doesn't cover in enough detail. — jdorje (talk) 03:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
One thing that could be expanded is the retirement of the name. I didn't know that Iolana was not in a yearly rotating list, and I immediately looked at the 1998 Pacific hurricane season believing that Iolana was going to be found there. However, Iolana occurs in List IV of the Central Pacific, as seen on the Lists of tropical cyclone names article. I'm pretty sure others would be confused about it too. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
That list is incredibly long. 48 names in the list...and apparently there have only been 11 of them used in the 14 years since Iniki, so it'll be some time before Iolana comes up... — jdorje (talk) 04:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Strangely, lists of tropical cyclone names seems to be saying there have been no named cpac storms since 2002? — jdorje (talk) 04:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe it either, but I don't know where to check to confirm that. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Did it perhaps occur to y'all to look at the season articles? CPac storms are extremely rare. Most of the ones that DO enter the CPHC's sphere of influence drift in from EPac. At the rate we're going, Iolana will come around sometime in the next century. --Golbez 05:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Naturally that occurred to me. Unfortunately the 2003-2005 season articles are all incomplete and do not list all storms; at least one of them has no concrete information in the intro, and none of them (that I could easily find) say how many cpac storms formed. 1997 Pacific hurricane season should be the paradigm article here (it mentions 5 cpac storms). — jdorje (talk) 05:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
(Actually, 1997 says 2 named storms and 3 depressions.) — jdorje (talk) 05:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry for my tone earlier (long day), and you're right, it should be mentioned in the intro. It is, however, mentioned in the "Storm names" section of every season. I know, I put it there. --Golbez 05:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

<------ Should we have a rare formation section? CPAC storms are rare, and Iniki is likely one of the strongest that formed in the basin (well, received its name in the basin). In addition, no tropical storm has hit Hawaii since Iniki. There could be enough information for a section like that. Hurricanehink 12:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, saying that Iniki is the strongest hurricane that has formed in the basin is certainly worth a mention, but the rarity of CPAC storms should perhaps go on Tropical cyclone or somewhere else, as it is not restricted to this storm. By the way, Central Pacific Hurricane Center has the storm lists in a different order than Lists of tropical cyclone names... which one is "correct"? As they're not annually rotated, it isn't really right or wrong, but which style are we going to use, for consistency? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I can't find a source for Iniki being the strongest hurricane in the CPAC that also formed in the CPAC, though by looking at the Best Track it is true, at least since the satellite era of 1960+. Hurricanehink 05:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I put it up for FAC. Be sure to bookmark the FAC page. Hurricanehink 19:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

The preparations and aftermath sections could do with a picture each. — jdorje (talk) 00:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Oops, I didn't see that the aftermath already had {{Costliest Pacific hurricanes}} when I added it. I suppose it could be kept there (though it fits better in impact IMO), in which case we don't need a picture for that section. — jdorje (talk) 00:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmm... I was switching pictures around because of that... Titoxd(?!? - help us) 00:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FA

Congratulations everyone! We got another FA! Hurricanehink 12:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

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