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[edit] 3 Revert Rule

Please note that you are not allowed to revert an article more than 3 times in a twenty-four hour period. Continuing to do so may result in you being blocked. Wikibofh 16:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. Wikibofh 19:33, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Congratulations! I have written to discuss pages, and that is not enough for you....

• You reverted again on Treaty of Trianon after I told you about the rule and not to do it. What did you expect? You had already violated 3RR when I warned you, I didn't block you then in case you weren't aware of the rule. But then you reverted on on Treaty and on Second Vienna Award. Wikibofh 19:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

• Yes and I have written to discuss pages too, to discuss my ideas. And then block all the users who reverted the page. Why i am the vandal not they?

• • It's not about vandalism, this is not a content related block, it's about 3RR. Neither User:PANONIAN nor User:Orioane reverted more than 3 times in 24 hours. You reverted 7 times in less than 24 hours. I am encouraged that you want to talk about it on the talk pages. If you agree not to revert on these articles and stick to discussion while you work things out I will tentatively lift the block. Let me know if you agree to that, here. Wikibofh 20:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Second Vienna Award, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Bonaparte

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to First Vienna Award, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Bonaparte

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Treaty of Trianon, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. --Bonaparte

• Ok, I give. What was they point of adding 3 warnings on content disputes (but calling it vandalism), hours after they happened while the editor was blocked? Wikibofh 14:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Tarts ki. Kisebbségben vagyunk itt a wikipédián, műxik nagyban a kisantant - nekik fontosabb, hogy az ostobaságaikat írkálják, mert nem biztosak magukban, talán ezért vagyunk hátrányban. 195.56.93.165 00:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Very "inconspicous". Do you really think that nobody understands Hungarian here?? Next time when you discuss how to destroy and vandlize the "Little Entente", be so polite, and do it in English! There are spaces called "outside Hungary" on the planet Earth, you know. You still fail to realise that the problem with the edits in question are factual errors and leaving out other POV and not the "Little Entente". Juro 04:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The problem with those articles is that they are written by POV-pusher nerds like you lacking elementary history knowledge and willingness for creating a NPOV article. It's quite amusing though: after 85 years after robbing those territories you are still into these debates. I would rather keep an eye on OTP or MOL instead :PP

"Robbed" and "we"??? Now, what you have written now shows that you are are a clear revisionist chauvinist fascist. I have known this for weeks now, the above text only confirms it to the others. Juro 15:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Na Juro, fiam ha úgyis érted amit írok akkor mondom. Nem tartom magam sem irredentának sem fasisztának sem semmiféle politikai párt aktivistájának attól függetlenól amit gondolsz. Szarok a politikára, úgyis csak egyes balfasz körök játékszere az egész. Amit leírtam minden szó igaz, legfeljebb annyi bajotok lehetek vele hogy nem a számotokra előnyös nézőpontot alkalmazom... A térképek amiket használtok szarok, mit kell belekeverni az Osztrák-Magyar monarchiát Trianonba, szarkeverés melynek célja a közvélemény számunkra hátrányos befolyásolása. Nem szeretem a szarkeverést, eléggé egyenes módon igyekszem bemutatni a valóságot. Teljes mértékben, tiszta érzelmi befolyásoltságtól mentesen ki merem jelenteni, hogy egy hazugságot se írtam le itt a Wikin. Ha akarsz vitatkozz velem mint történész a történésszel, ne mint győztés a vesztessel. Tudod talán a Pax Hungarica eszme és a Szent-Korona tan anakronisztikusnak érzed ebben a liberális agymosottságtól terhelt világban. De nem látom értelmét, hogy egymás torkának essünk, főleg nem tudom megérteni, hogy te miért élteted azt, hogy minket szétszakítottak, külön országba raktak. Az írásaid alapján úgy nézem szlovák (tót) vagy, azaz hungarus vagy. Ne feless őseink együtt harcoltak tatárok, törökök vagy éppen a Habsburgok ellen, hej ha ősapáid látnák mit művelsz. Történelmünk, kultúránk és nem utolsó sorban sorsunk összeköt, ha nyelvünk származásunk nem is, attól függetlenül mit tanítottak neked az iskolában.

I have prepared an answer to this first part (before you added the rest). Since it is long (even though I know it will lead nowhere), I have no time for the rest now and please continue the discussion on the Trianon Talk page IN ENGLISH, where I will post a copy:

I have hoped these long discussions could be avoided, but I see that it is not the case. I am sure I will forget to mention many points, but let me start with general personal criticism: 1. I really do not understand how, in the 21st century, a person can argue in such a "medieval" way like you above (preserving the heritage of the "ancestors", "brain washed liberalism" in the world, "shit"map, "shit"mixing etc.). I will do you a favor and will not translate the text into English. 2. You really try everything: being "bad", being "good" etc. just to get "your version", don't you? 3. Emotions, creation of hidden alliances, attempts to make numbers "look" in a certain way for what reason ever etc. just do not work with me, and although you are seemingly claiming something else, you are constantly trying to apply this approach. Do not take it personally, but I consider any such attempts a kind of personal insult. I am interested in history because of the facts and not because I want to create/separate etc. "links" to anybody neither in the present/nor in the futur/ neither in Hungary, nor in Slovakia, nor anywhere else. This is the usual approach in western Europe and with many well known historians, I know this is hard to understand for many Hungarian historians, but try at least. 4. Why don't you write in English ??? Is this supposed to be an attempt to offend the other users or what? 5. Why do not you log in. I do not even know whether I am communicating with one person, two persons, three persons etc. Logging in is a matter of basic decency in the wikipedia. 6. Your personal problem is – based on what you have editted in this wikipedia -that you are absolutely unable to accept that there could be other opinions then yours, which is a frequent human characteristics, but the problem is that you just cannot use this "either my text- or nothing" approach in THIS ENCYCLOPEDIA and especially not with such controversial texts. You also exhibit a serious lack of knowledge of the historiography of other countries, especially of the countries of the neigbouring countries, but I am not surprised after what you have written above about the "forefathers" etc. 7. Above all: Do you realize that your edit wars have costed all of us hours of waste of time only to end in a discussion (which Pannonian had attempted to start as well), anyway. Is it really so difficult to discuss first? 5. Constantly repeating and declaring that you are posting here the "truth" just does not change the fact that your edits are wrong and that you are deleting other opinions. If you try to write the "truth", but do not realize that you do not do that, then it's all the more bad for you. In addition, have you ever heard of the "concept" that there are several truths ( a concept that very well applies to this case) ?? Are you able to understand this ??

Now, the issue at hand: Im sorry that I have to say that but I disagree virtually with every single sentence you write above, because you are obviously unable to think rationally. So please try to CONCENTRATE, because the following will not have much to do with history, but with rational thinking:

• ad fascism: The term is not exclusively linked to political parties, therefore what you say above is interesting, but out of place. But we can ignore this point, because it will not bring us further. To a cetain it is a question of definition, anyway. I repeat in this context: leaving out the correct words "Nazi" and "Fascist" before Germany and adding the picture you were trying to add is fascism and the former is , in addition, deliberate omission of facts.
• ad numbers: As I already mentioned to you in the summary, by your stupid other edits, you force other users to remove the numbers as well, although I am sure all the numbes could be placed in the article with the corresponding commentaries, if you START TO DISCUSS ON THEM and do not use your "my text or nothing approach". That does not mean however that the numbers of the other side will be removed at the same time !
• ad Austria-Hungary: First, maybe this is a new concept for you, but the fact that you personally do not "like" something, is irrelevant for this and any other encyclopedia. So much for your above "argument". Now the proper issue: Level 1: The text says Kingdom of Hungary (before 1918) "was part of" Austria-Hungary. This is (1) a correct sentence (it does not say was "very" part, it does not say was "not very much" part, it just says "was part of"), (2) a useful information for readers not knowing the historical circumstances, (3) is necessary to mention because large parts of the states Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia were in Greater Austria before 1918, so this map shows where those northern and southern parts and Burgeland etc. ended and what they were parts of prior to 1918/1920. Nothing more. I do not understand what "public opinion about the numbers" you are talking about above: Neither the text nor the Map shows numbers and what has the map to do with public opinion??. In sum, there is absolutely no reason to remove this statement. Level 2: We now have 3 (in words: three) maps, two of which show only Hungary with a the results of a manipulated census, so what the hell are complaining about???
• ad "lie": Well, leaving out "Nazi" and "part of Austria-Hungary" are deliberate lies. Also, the word "Highland" just does not exist, that's a mistranslation from Hungarian, the correct name is "Upper Hungary" (literally Upper Land, but that term does not exist in English). The word was used INOFFICIALLY in this sense only from the 19th century (it had another meaning before that time) and referred INOFFICIALLY to the territory to the north of the Tisza and Danube including Ruthenia – another lie /wrong information. The term Slovakia, for example, was the official term in 1938, used by everybody outside Hungary, and refers to (at that time) a well-defined territory and was used historically all over Europe since the 15th century. Analogously for the other territories. Moreover, as you have been informed already, we have naming rules here, so you cannot replace Timisoara with the Hungarian name without at least mentioning the Romanian name etc. But as above, these things require that you leave Hungary both physically and mentally.
• ad "liberális agymosottságtól terhelt világban" (world burdened by liberal brain washing): I disagree, this world has exactly and increasingly the opposite problem, especially in countries like Hungary
• ad " élteted azt, hogy minket szétszakítottak...": I repeat, this way of thinking has a value of 0 for me and for many other people. The terms "nation", "put together/separate" have no meaning for me in this context and I have done and am doing nothing in this context. What you are saying would be nice for a heroic epic, but not as an argument for the 21th century. I really do not know how to put this more clearly.
• ad Saying "Slovak that is also "Hungarus" in the 21st century is just wrong both for Slovaks and for other nations in this area and actually, this is an offence, and I think you know that.
• ad "what the forefathers would think about you (i.e. Juro)": Again, this is an absolute ridiculous way of argumentation, my edits here and elsewhere are not motivated by what my "forefather" would think. Also, who (e.g. ethnically) your forefather is depends on how much you go back in time. Again, don't you see a problem with this way of argumentation??
• ad last sentence: The fact that the history of Slovaks and Magyars is connected over a certain period of time does not authorize me or anybode else to accept wrong and deliberately biased contributions. Also, the problem is not with their schools, but with the schools of Hungary. You also seem to have problems with the definition of chauvinism. And do not want me to explain to other users what kind of programs are broadcasted on Hungarian TV in this context. They would not believe me Juro 03:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Azért írok magyarul, mert azt szerettem (szeretném), hogy a nem magyar vitapartnereim közül lehetőleg csak Te értsd, nomeg persze így könnyeben ki tudom fejezni magam (I should improve my english knowledge). Nem szeretem ha, azzal érvelnek, hogy 21. századot éljük, most már csak így meg úgy lehet ezt meg azt csinálni, még mindig emberek vagyunk, akárhogy is telt-múlt az idő. Ettől függetlenül talán igazad lehet, hogy nem kéne költői romantikus módon beszélnem történelmi eseményekről, de ezt ugye csak itt tettem, a cikkeimben tényeket írtam le, tán kicsit más szemszögből. Mellesleg, hogy így válaszoltam nagy arányban válasz volt arra, hogy anyatigris módjára védelmezed a véleményedet, illetve csakúgy gerincből lefasisztáztál, ezzel kicsit kiváltva nemtetszémet, ígyhát gondoltam ha te ennyire érzelmi és személyes szálra akarod helyezni a dolgot majd énis így teszem. Hogy miért nem jelentkezem be? Ugyanis te vagy valamelyik jómadár barátod meggyőzte a moderátorokat, hogy én vagyok a vandál, a fasiszta sőt még miattam penészednek a falak is, szóval lel lett tiltva a nevem. Igen HunTomy vagyok még mindig. De ha már belekezdtünk valamibe nem hagyom félbe... Te tudsz magyarul, egész korrektül hiszen érted amit mondok, és általában nem a hétköznapi konyhanyelvet használom, ez általában két okból lehet: neked is vannak magyar anyenyelvű családtagjaid és/vagy egy jelentős magyar lakossággal bíró településen laksz és megtanultál. Szóval bizonyára bőrödön érzed, hogy mennyire nem működik tökéletesen ez az önálló szlovák nemzetállam kultusz, bár úgy hallotam a Szlovák Testvériség (SP) vagy mi a fene épp gondolkozik a probléma megoldásán, és kilátásba helyezte a homogén szlovák nemzetállam megteremtését (gondolom a magyarok lelkesen aszisztálnak majd a programban) és szlovákia felszerelését tömegpusztító fegyverekkel, najó ez már picit arébb van. Ja igen engem nem az iskolában neveltek ilyen piszkosul "sovinisztának", megjegyzem a magyar(országi) oktatás eléggé liberális és szinvonaltalan, az hogy én ilyen lettem, az valszeg az én hibám lesz, tán túl sokat olvasok? Liberális agymosás alatt azt értem, hogy egyesek azt sulykolják bele a köztudatba, hogy drogozni mennyire normális, a homokosok mennyire normálisak, mennyire röhejes hogy valaki még olyan szánalmas dolgokkal foglalkozik mint a kultúra, nézni kell a valóság-showt meg ilyenek. Mer igen kérem, ez ezzel jár. Ja és állítólag az EU is valami marhajó dolog... Az a bajom, hogy a 19. század közepén a cseh pánszlávisták elcsavarták a fejeteket, ami ahoz vezetett, hogy a nagy Szláv Birodalom eszméje szembekerült az 1000 éves Magyar Királysággal. Pedig aztán 1918ban a magyar kormány kilátásba helyezte, hogy átalakítja az országot egy svájci típusú kantonrendszerű állammá. Lehet, hogy ha így lett volna nem lettek volna sem fasiszták sem kommunisták? Ja igen Osztrák-Magyar Monarchia. Azért utálom ha belekeverik mert sok emberke aki nem foglalkozott ezzel keményen tán azt hiszi, hogy ez vmi egységes állam volt, ami aztán nélkülözött mindneféle magyar jelleget. Pl. egyszer családommal mikor Pozsonyban jártam a várban és épp arról konzultáltunk, hogy vajon miért van minden régi felirat magyarul ha egyszer nem is Magyarországon járunk, meghallota az éppen arrajáró magyarul is értő egyébként szlovák takarítónő, hogy ez bizony soha nem volt Magyarország ez kamu, meg megin jött hogy Osztrák-Magyar Monarchia meg Habsburg Birodalom de semmiképp sincs szó Magyarországról meg ilyenek, a végén már szinte habzott a szája a lelkes nemzeti öntudattól... A Magyar történelem folytonos, bár picit hullámos - való igaz, hogy 1526 után a Habsburgok uralkodtak itt, de azért az ország rendelkezett bizonyos kiváltságokkal amikkel a többi Habsburgh TARTOMÁNY nem. Korrektebbnek tartom azt a szemlélet, hogy Magyarország és ami körülötte volt, nemtudom érted-e. Az állam akkoriban picit mást jelentetk, mellesleg jelentek meg olyan térképek a XVI. század után is, ami Magyarországot ábrázol, annak ellenére, hogy addigra már Habsburg uralom alá került. Ja és nem töröltem ki mindenhonnan az Osztrák-Magyar Monarchiát, mármint hogy tagja volt, csak talán nem kéne minden 2. mondatba leírni, elég egyszer nem igaz (ugyanezt gondolom a náci és fasiszta jelzőkről, de később) 1918 őszén az uralkodó lemondodt, szóval ha szigorúan vesszük de jure 1918 ősze és 1920 június 4. között független "Nagy"-Magyarország volt, csak aztán picit elszabadult a káosz, na mindegy. Felőlem vitatkozhatunk, szívesen teszem ezt, de azt nem szeretem ha olyan jelzőkkel azonosítanak, ami sose fordult meg bennem. Szerintem az térkép ami van príma lenne ha cikk arról szólna, hogy az Osztrák-Magyar Monarchia felbomlása, de nem. Az enyém azt mutatja mi történt a magyar állammal 1920ban a trianoni diktátum által addigi állapotához képest, végülis arról amiről a cikk is szól. Nem csípem azt se, ha valakinek mindne érve az, hogy mer fasiszta vagy, meg akkor már kapásból keverjük bele a fasizmust a történelmi magyarorságba nomeg a holokausztot természetesen, had legyen az olvasó még jobban is meggyőzve arról milyen érthető dolog is volt szétzúzni, Európa talán utolsó olyan hattárrendszerét, amit nem az egyes hatalmi érdekek húztak meg, hanem éppen ahogy kialakult természetes módon.

Amúgy írhatsz nekem teis magyarul, ne szégyenld - úgyis elsősorban azt várom el, hogy nekem válaszolj ne a barátaidnak akarj megfelelni. Felvidék: a szótár aztmondja: highland: felföldi; felföld; felső-skóciai; felvidéki; felvidék; hegyvidéki; hegyvidék; skót felvidéki Majd akarok írni egy cikket ide a Wikire, Hungarian Highland címmel, hogy letisztuljon a dolog mindenki számára. Azt nem tudom elfogadni viszont semmi körülmények közt, hogy Szlovákia elkerült Magyarországtól, ez a kifejezés teljesen ismeretlen volt a kor embere számára. Írd akkor például így: a jelenleg Szlovákihoz tartozó, a magyar nyelvben gyakran Felvidéknek nevezett tájegység - és ez nem nemhivatalos, ezt kérlek szépen így tanították annak idején az iskolában, kell ennél hivatalosabb? Mellesleg elég sokan még mindig Felvidéknek hívják - a Szlovákiához tartozó területet. Nem érdekelnek az őseid? "Akinek nem ismeri múltját, nincs jövője" - tartja a régi magyar mondás. Ja és hogy miért is csinálom mindezt? egy másik magyar mondás így szól: "a cél szentesíti az eszközt" A magyar iskolarendszer télleg eléggé rossz, bár nem úgy rossz ahogy elképzeled. Ja és a TV-ben nem éppen soviniszta-fasiszta-irredenta propaganda folyik, ellenkezőleg

Tán nem teljesen más a nyelvünk, de mindketten a Szent Korona alattvalói vagyunk, és én ugyanúgy testvéremnek tekintelek téged, mint a magyar anyanyelvüt. Tán most ezt nem érted, de sok szlovák értette már előtted. Miért legyünk külön és gyengék, ha lehetünk együtt és erősek. Tán azidőtájt a magyar nyelvet jobban erőltették a kelleténél... tán hibáztunk... Miből gondolod ha teszemazt népszavazás lett volna a területeken győzött volna az elszakítás? Megtákolták Csehszlovákiát és Jugoszláviát, hol vannak ezek most? És mit gondolsz arról hogy a magyar anyenylvüek harmada kivül lakik a jelenlegi magyarországon? Ez talán igazságos? Mivel vagytok különbek ezáltal? Csak ugyanaezt teszitek. Mi közöttünk csak egy fölösleges határ van. De milett Erdéllye vagy Vajdasággal? Balkáni, keleteurópai. a nyugati közvélemény által harmadrendűnek titulált államo részei lettek, ahol sok helyen még most is anarhisztikus állatpotok uralkodnak? Talán ez így oké? Erdély például a magyar korona legsztebb gyémántja volt most az utakon akkora kátyuk vannak (ha vannak egyáltalán) mintha meteoreső vagy bombatámadás zúdult volna a tájra? Megbecsüli az állam a tájat? Aztán Ukrajna és Szerbia esetéről ne is beszéljünk. Folytathatnám a felsorolást, ha nem vagy képes megérteni, ha nem érettél meg rá, hogy felülemelkedj a nézeteden nem fogod megérteni, pedig ha hiszed ha nem a magyar korona sokszor magáhöz ölelte már a tékozló fiait....

Köszi

I will not discuss with you here. Discussion started on the Treaty of Trianon and other pages. You are invited to participate in a discussion IN ENGLISH. Juro 20:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

If you want... but at first answer for this...

If you mean the text above, I will not even start to read it. This is not a chat page, but a (would-be) encyclopedia, and the latter is why I am here, not the former. The discussion takes place on the Trianon talk page. Juro 00:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)ű

you should read and answer it. It's my request

Are you plaing a "landlord" now or what?! If it is your "request", I will read it all the less. Juro 17:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC) BTW, there is also a discussion on Talk:Vienna Awards going on now, in which you should participate.

Hello!A második Bécsi döntéssel kapcsolatban: azt a szöveget amit mostanában beraksz nem fogják engedni. Inkább segíts már légyszi angol, nemzetközi források keresésében, amelyekben külföldi szakértők az egyezmény mellett szólnak. Ezzel lehetne egyensúlyozni az ő idézetüket, akkor könnyebben belemennének az idézet kitörlésébe. Ha csak szimplán töröljük akkor úgyis visszaállítják és akkort véget nem érő törlés-visszaállítás lesz. Ezt-azt már így is sikerült elérni, a statisztika az már nem magyarellenes. Az afterwardsben kéne változtatni, rá kell őket bírni hogy elfogadják hogy a román mészárlások is ott legyenek. Plusz ha a trezneai mészárlásokról találnál ezt-azt angolul azt is megköszönném mert amit most írnak róla az undorító román propaganda.

[edit] Your recent edits

I'm leaving this message, in case you log in instead of just editing anonymously. Your activity has not escaped the attention of several editors. If your goal was to be heard, you have certainly succeeded.

If User:Juro, User:Jmabel, User:Bonaparte, myself or anyone else reverts your edits, it's not because we think less of you or that we can't emphatize with the views you are presenting. It is because these entries are biased and it is Wikedia's core policy to create strictly WP:NPOV content.

The only reason to change an article is to either add new (WP:NPOV)) content or improve its accuracy. Please keep in mind however, the truth lies in the middle and simply changing articles to reflect Hungarian POV is not going to work. Although these views might be correct in Hungary, they are not going to work for readers from the rest of the world.

You must work with other editors to improve the accuracy of article content. Please realize that simple edit warring and reverting between two competing version will not lead to anything. It is very wasteful. Prolonged edit wars are considered disruptive and will only result in stricter enforcement of Wikipedia's policies.

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Szervusz--Jbetak 08:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

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I just wanted to raise the effect of your recent edits with you. While improving articles to be more neutral, accurate or balanced is highly desirable, comabative behavior, lack of insight and insistence on a national WP:POV is not. This applies to all editors.

You must be aware that adding Hungarian-language maps to an English encyclopedia is of limited usefulness. Moreover, these maps were added to municipalities that are not part of Hungary and the use of the Hungarian language might not be considered appropriate or contemporary.

Most of threse images don't have proper licensing and you have omitted to state the URL for their source. Can you fix that? Also, I'd urge you to reconsider your behaviour, since it will be difficult for anyone to take you seriously. if you percieve other people's behavior as nationalist or inappropriate, it must be addressed, not responded to in likewise manner. Jbetak 02:12, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Sabin Gherman

Alive and kicking?

So PANONIAN the stupid, rabid nationalist and the great believer of the damned status quo thinks that all of the non-Hungarian popultion were happy for the seperation. Yes the romanians were very happy when the blighter (very poor, uncultured and underdeveloped) Romanian state put its furry paw to Transylvania. Let's see an alternative opinion from a romanian from transylvania (Sabin Gherman - chairman of Pro Transilvania) originally appeared in Monitorul de Cluj:

I am fed-up with Romania!

by Sabin Gherman

I am fed-up with John Doe, with the smartarseness and with the Gypsy-like behaviour that are associated to this country name, Romania. I talk to several politicians who hold the power and all of them tell me that "we have no chance whatsoever"(Transl. note: to join modern Europe). I read in the newspapers and find that the government took care to give more funds to Bucharest than to the entire Transylvania, from the '98 revenue. I drive the car South and East and I notice the difference: there are better highways there, funds are always pumped in there. I wait in line at the revenue office, at the state-owned bank, at anything state-owned and tips are given everywhere. Bribes. Payola. Turkish habits, which one cannot do without.

So what? I don't want to emigrate, just because nothing has been done in ten years. I'm just fed-up with Romania. With its synonyms. With its heroisms taken out of any historical context. Other nations show their pride in Michelangelo or Da Vinci, whereas I'm shown the letter of Neacsu from Cimpulung (Transl.note: the first document written in Romanian, dated 1521 and sent by Neacsu to the Saxon mayor of Brassó, Transylvania, with reference to Turkish war ship movements on the Danube). What a fantastic achievement, this delation! (Transl, note: a quotation from Ion Luca Caragiale) If I regret anything at all now, at 30 years old, it is that I was born here, that I am among those who had been taught in school that this people, - "the beoble" (Transl. note: another quotation from Ion Luca Caragiale), Gentlemen, was in a permanent erection in front of history. What people? We, who hadn't shown virility at least once, we, who were packing up in times of invasion and ran for our lives to the forests, we, who were fainting in the halls where history was being decided (Transl. note: reference to the Romanian Foreign minister's faint, when he heard the Vienna decision in 1940, returning Northern Transylvania to Hungary), we, who nowadays scream for a piece of bread and don't know what more tricks to invent.

Here we are, bum-patched, elbow-ripped, we enter history as if a filthy pub in the neighbourhood. Between two burps and a swearing, the people (the beoble, gentlemen!), talk fiercely about Posada (Transl. note: the pass where King Karoly Robert of Hungary lost the battle in 1330 after being attacked from the back), about Michael The Brave (Mihai Viteazul, prince of Walachia, or Muntenia, who conquered Transylvania and Moldavia at about 1600), about "Long live and prosper Moldavia, Transylvania and Muntenia!" (Transl.note: historical provinces of the nowadays Romania). And yet another victorious burp. I'm fed-up with being ashamed of myself. That's why I tell my Western friends that I am from Transylvania. Altra paese. Other country. L'autre pays. I'm fed-up with being told by all non-Transylvanians that here, in Transylvania, I have troubles with Hungarians. That, weren't they... That hunger is the mother of wisdom. That federalisation is the most terrible danger watching me, stalking on me around the corner of the tower of flats along to the mugger whom I pay taxes for. That I ought to tighten the belt, as if Nastratine's donkey (Transl.note: reference to folk stories about Nastratine Hodja). In the name of the "unity" and "prosperity" of the Rrromanian kin. Yet I, who have been waiting for 10 years for a real unity, the unity of Transylvanian parliament members for Transylvania, the civic campaign to save the few that is left.

Yet I, praying each evening to finally come to an end with László Tőkés, with his ethnical aberrations against everyone. (Transl.note: ironical reference to the Hungarian Reformat bishop, the frequent target of Romanian nationalists' attacks). Yet, in vain. So far. Some people carried out the Unification [of Transylvania with Romania] in 1918. Other people put their hopes in a Swiss-type confederation, together with Hungary, Czechia, and Austria. And still others, as Ioan Slavici, said that the unification of Transylvania with Romania is hogwash, and were jailed. Now we can see its outcome. Sobriety, elegance, and discipline - features of Transylvania - were invaded by johndoeisms, by ordinary Balkan habits, by the civilisation of the pumpkin seeds. It was Romania's chance to unite with Transylvania, to learn something from its organisation, from its systems of values. It did not happen so; Romania swallowed Transylvania - this is why nowadays one can slide every three yards on the saliva spat on the great boulevards. It is not myself who says this, but someone equal to God, Cioran (Transl.note: Romanian born Emil Cioran (1911-1995), active in France as a writer). Many will throw in their two cents to argue the aforesaid. But: how many of you didn't go to Bucharest with your filled bag, with the famous wovenbag, stuffed with bottles of hard drink? And you didn't bring it to your friends, but to chief executive officers, to ministries, to high places behind closed doors. And if, naive as you are, you didn't carry those bags, how many times weren't you warned that one enters Bucharest with one's head, since your hands are busy with "luggages". Bucharest, this place where the phthisic genius kisses the billionaire illiterate, taught all the country that "one is given". "Meat is given", "Eggs are given". One is given. Mollusk attitude.

One has no rights here, only conventionalities. Here one eats pumpkin seeds, one uses to talk like: "there is many", and people generally are born, spawn, and die. They haven't learned anything from Hungarians, they haven't learned anything from Austrians, they haven't learned anything from Germans. Too early they switched from "forktion" (Transl.note: a quotation from Vasile alecsandri; an ironical reference to snobs, who, having no good French skills, thought enough adding the -tion suffix to the Romanian word furculita=fork, to get its foreign version) to "Romanian brigades pierce through Carpathians!" (Transl. note: the marching song of the royal Romanian army when in 1916, after two years of neutrality, attacked the Hungarian held Transylvania, but withdrawn soon, after 3 weeks, because of military failure). Maybe this is why the bravest "defenders" of Transylvania were born beyond the Carpathians. Maybe this is why Europe ends somewhere near Braşov(Hungarian: Brassó). There's where Transylvania ends as well. Since, besides language and poor highways we have nothing in common.

We will have to wake up. To admit that what happens now is a comedy. But one in which your children ask you for a chocolate, and you just raise your shoulders. In which, tremblingly, you always look for a recommendation for anything. In which you whisper round corners about the villas of policemen, or of parliament members. A world doomed to borrowing from one salary to the next one. We will have to see that it can be otherwise. That we are different. That all the evil comes from Bucharest, from the luxury palaces, where politicians dispute the bone without any shame at all. We will have to see that it's not Hungarians, or Germans, or people of Burundi those who are our enemies, but ourselves, who live from one day to the next one, doomed to steal and swear around corners. We have nothing what to tell each other anymore, we have been doing this for 75 years (Transl. note: since 1918 when Transylvania was united with Romania) and we are 75 times poorer now. Otherwise, have nice days - I'm fed-up with Romania, I want my Transylvania!

(Sept. 16, 1998)

or in Romanian: Sabin Gherman : M-am saturat de Romania.

M-am saturat de Mitica, de smechereala si tigania pe care le lasa in urma acest nume de tara, Romania. Vorbesc cu diversi politicieni, aflati la putere, si toti imi spun: "nu mai avem nici o sansa". Citesc prin ziare ca Bucurestiului guvernul a avut grija sa-i aloce de la bugetul '98 o suma mai mare decit a intregului Ardeal. Calatoresc cu masina prin sud si est si vad diferenta: acolo sint drumuri mai bune, se fac mereu investitii. Stau la coada la finante, la CEC, la orice apartine Statului si peste tot se da spaga. Ciubuc. Pesches. Turcisme fara de care nu se poate. Si atunci? Eu nu vreau sa emigrez numai pentru ca de 10 ani nu se face nimic. Doar ca m-am saturat de Romania. De sinonimele ei. De eroismele ei, scoase din orice context istoric. Altii se lauda cu Michelangelo sau Da Vinci si mie mi se arata scrisoarea lui Neacsu din Cimpulung. Fantastica realizare delatiunea!... Daca regret ceva, acum la treizeci de ani, e ca m-am nascut aici, ca fac parte din cei ce au invatat pe la scoli ca poporul asta, boborul, domnilor, a fost intr-o erectie continua in fata istoriei. Care popor? Noi, cei care n-am facut nici macar o data dovada virilitatii, noi, care in timpul invaziilor ne ridicam poalele in cap si fugeam in paduri, noi, care lesinam prin salile unde se hotara istoria, noi, care astazi ne scremem pentru o bucata de piine si nu mai stim ce smechereli sa mai inventam. Astia sintem, peticiti in cur, rupti in coate; intram in istorie ca-ntr-o infecta crisma de cartier. Intre doua ghioraituri si-o injuratura, poporul (boborul, domnilor), vorbeste batos despre Posada, despre Mihai Viteazu, despre "traiasca si-nfloreasca Moldova, Ardealul si Tara Romaneasca". Si - iarasi - un ghiorait victorios. M-am saturat sa-mi fie rusine. De aceea, prietenilor mei din vest le spun ca sint din Transilvania. Alta tara. Altra paese. Other country. L'autre pays. M-am saturat sa-mi spuna toti neardelenii ca aici, in Ardeal, am probleme cu ungurii. Ca daca n-ar fi ei... Ca foamea este mama intelepciunii... Ca federalizarea este cel mai mare pericol care ma paste, ma pindeste de dupa coltul blocului odata cu borfasul pentru care platesc impozit. Ca musai trebuie sa string cureaua, ca magarul lui Nastratin. In numele "unitatii", "propasirii" neamului rrromanesc. Si eu, care astept de 10 ani o unire adevarata, una a parlamentarilor ardeleni pentru Ardeal, o ofensiva civica pentru salvarea putinului ramas. Si eu, care ma rog in fiecare seara sa se termine odata cu Tokes Laszlo, cu aberatiile lui etnice impotriva tuturor. Si tot degeaba. Deocamdata. Niste oameni au facut Unirea de la 1918. Altii sperau intr-o confederatie de tip helvetic, impreuna cu Ungaria, Cehia si Austria. Altii, ca Slavici, au spus ca unirea Transilvaniei cu Romania e o porcarie si au facut puscarie. Acum se vede ce-a iesit. Seriozitatea, eleganta, disciplina - atribute ale Ardealului - au fost invadate de miticisme, de balcanisme ordinare, de civilizatia semintelor de bostan. Era o sansa pentru Romania sa se uneasca cu Transilvania, sa invete cite ceva din organizarea ei, din sistemele ei de valori. N-a fost asa; Romania a inghitit Transilvania - de aceea din trei in trei metri aluneci astazi pe flegmele de pe marile bulevarde. N-o spun eu, ci un egal al lui Dumnezeu, Cioran. Vor sari o gramada sa contrazica cele spuse mai sus. Dar: citi dintre voi n-au mers la Bucuresti cu plasa plina, cu celebra plasa de rafie in care se inghesuiau sticlele de palinca? Si n-o duceati la prieteni, ci la directori, la ministere, la inalte porti ferecate. Si daca, naivi fiind, n-ati dus acele plase, de cite ori vi s-a sugerat ca la Bucuresti se intra cu capul, miinile fiind ocupate cu "bagaje". Bucurestiul, acest loc in care genialul tebecist se pupa cu analfabetul miliardar, a invatat toata tara ca se da. "Se da carne". "Se da oua". Se da. Mentalitate de molusca. Aici nu ai drepturi, ci complezente. Aici se maninca seminte de bostan, se vorbeste cu "este multi" si lumea in general se naste, se inmulteste si moare. N-au invatat nimic de la unguri, n-au invatat nimic de la austrieci, n-au invatat nimic de la nemti. Au trecut prea repede de la furculision la Treceti batalioane romane Carpatii. Poate de aceea cei mai vajnici "aparatori" ai Transilvaniei s-au nascut dincolo de Carpati. Poate de aceea Europa se termina pe undeva pe linga Brasov. Acolo se termina si Transilvania. Pentru ca in afara de limba si sosele proaste nu avem nimic in comun. Va trebui sa ne trezim. Sa recunoastem ca ceea ce se intimpla acum e o comedie. Dar una in care copiii va cer o ciocolata si voi dati din umeri. In care mereu infrigurati cautati o pila pentru orice. In care susotiti pe la colturi despre vilele celor din politie sau din parlament. O lume sortita imprumutului de la un salariu la altul. Va trebui sa vedem ca se poate si altfel. Ca sintem altfel. Ca relele cele mari vin de la Bucuresti, de la luxoasele palate in care politicienii se bat fara nici o jena pe ciolan. Va trebui sa vedem ca nu ungurii sau nemtii sau burundezii sint inamicii nostri, ci noi insine, traitorii de pe azi pe minine, obligati sa furam si sa injuram pe la colturi. Nu mai avem ce sa ne spunem; am facut-o 75 de ani si sintem de 75 de ori mai saraci. In rest, zile bune - m-am saturat de Romania, vreau Transilvania mea.

or in hungarian: Sabin Gherman : Torkig vagyok Romániával

Torkig vagyok Miticával, a széltolással, a cigánykodással, ami hozzátapad ehhez az országnévhez, hogy Románia. A hatalmat gyakorló mindenféle politikussal beszélgetek, de csak azt hallom: "Már nincs semmi esélyünk". Olvasom az újságokban, hogy a kormánynak volt gondja a '98-as költségvetésből Bukarestnek nagyobb összeget leosztani, mint egész Erdélynek. Utazom a gépkocsival délen és keleten és látom a különbséget, délen jobbak az utak, minduntalan beruházásokat eszközölnek. Sorban állok a fináncnál, a CEC-nél, bárminél, ami az államé és mindenütt csúszópénzt adnak. Csubukot, harácsot. Török szokások, ami nélkül nem megy. És akkor? Én nem akarok kivándorolni csak azért, mert tíz éve nem történik semmi. Csakhogy torkig vagyok Romániával. A szinonímáival. Hősködéseivel, amelyeknek semmi közük a történelemhez. Mások Michelangelóval vagy Da Vincivel dicsekszenek, miközben nekem a campulungi Neacsu levelét mutogatják. A besúgás képzeletet felülmúló megvalósítása!... Ha valamit most, harmincéves koromban sajnálok, az az, hogy itt születtem, hogy egyike vagyok azoknak, akik azt tanulták az iskolában, hogy ez a nép, "a néb" (boborul), uraim, szüntelen erekcióban állt a történelemmel szemben. Melyik nép? Mi, akik még legalább egyszer sem tanúsítottunk virilitást, mi, akik a hadak beözönlésekor szedtük magunkat és az erdőkbe futottunk, mi, akik elájultunk azokban a szalonokban, ahol a történelemről döntöttek, mi, akik egy darab kenyérért szarakodunk és akik nem tudjuk, még milyen szélhámosságot találjunk ki. Ezek vagyunk, foltos ülepűek, rongyos könyökűek; úgy lépünk be a történelembe, mint egy mocskos külvárosi csehóba. Két böffentés és egy káromkodás között, a nép (néb, uraim) magát kihúzva szónokol Posadáról, Vitéz Mihályról, arról, hogy "éljen és virágozzék Moldova, Erdély és Havasalföld". És ismét egy győztes böffentés. Torkig vagyok azzal, hogy szégyelljem magam. Éppen ezért nyugati barátaimnak azt mondom, hogy Erdélyből való vagyok. Más országból. Altra pacse. Other country. L'autre pays. Torkig vagyok azzal, hogy az összes nem-erdélyi azt mondja: itt Erdélyben gondjaim vannak a magyarokkal. Mert ha ők nem lennének... Hogy az éhség a tudás anyja... Hogy a föderalizálás lenne a legnagyobb veszély, ami rám leselkedik a tömbház sarka mögül, mint egy tyúktolvaj, akiért fizetem az adót. Hogy muszáj meghúznom a nadrágszíjamat, mint Nastratin szamara. A román nép "egysége", "felvirágzása" nevében. Én pedig tíz éve várom a valódi egységet, az erdélyi honatyák egységét, a civil offenzívát ama kevés megmentéséért, ami még megmaradt. És én, aki minden este azért imádkozom, hogy legyen már vége Tőkés Lászlónak a mindenki elleni etnikai aberrációival együtt. És mindhiába. Egyelőre. Néhány ember megvalósította az 1918-as Egyesítést. Mások svájci típusú, Magyarországgal, Csehországgal és Ausztriával való konföderációban reménykedtek. Megint mások, mint Slavici, azt mondták, hogy Erdély egyesülése Romániával disznóság, és börtönbe kerültek. Most látni, mi lett belőle. A komolyságot, eleganciát és fegyelmet, amelyek Erdély jellemzői, elárasztotta a "miticaság", az ordináré balkániság, a tökmag-civilizáció. Romániának esély volt az Erdéllyel való egyesülés, hogy megtanuljon valamit annak szervezettségéből, értékrendszeréből. Nem így történt: Románia elnyelte Erdélyt - éppen ezért a nagy sugárutakon három méterenként elcsúszol a flegmákon. Nem én mondom, hanem az, aki egyenlő az Úrral, Cioran. Sokan szöknek majd az égig, hogy cáfolják a fentebb mondottakat. De: hányan nem mentetek Bukarestbe tele szatyorral, a híres-neves rafia szatyorral, amelyben pálinkásüvegek szorongtak? És nem barátaitoknak vittétek, hanem igazgatóknak, a minisztériumokba, a bezárt magas portákra. És, ha együgyű módra nem vittétek azokat a szatyrokat, hányszor figyelmeztettek rá, hogy Bukarestben fejjel kell ajtót nyitni, mert kezeidet lehúzzák a "csomagok". Bukarest, ez a hely, ahol a tébécés zseni puszilkózik az analfabéta milliárdossal, megtanította az egész országot, hogy valamit osztanak. "Húst osztanak", "Tojást osztanak". Osztanak. Puhatestűek magatartása. Itt nincsenek jogok, csak hajlongások. Itt tökmagot esznek és úgy beszélnek, hogy "sokan van", és az utca népe úgy általában megszületik, szaporodik és meghal. Nem tanultak semmit a magyaroktól, nem tanultak semmit az osztrákoktól, nem tanultak semmit a németektől. Túl hamar tértek át a furculitionról a "Román zászlóaljak, törjetek át a Kárpátokon"-ra. Meglehet, ezért is van az, hogy Erdély legvitézebb "védelmezői" a Kárpátokon túl születtek. Lehet ezért is ér véget Európa valahol Brassó mellett. Ott ér véget Erdély is. Mivel a nyelvet és a rossz utakat leszámítva nincs semmi, ami közös lenne. Fel kell ébrednünk. Be kell ismernünk, hogy az, ami most történik, nem más, mint komédia. Méghozzá egy olyan, amelyben a gyermekek csokoládét kérnek, te meg vállvonogatással válaszolsz. Amelyben reszketve keresel támogatót. És olyan, amelyben az utcasarkon sustorogsz a rendőrök és a honatyák villáiról. Egy olyan világ, amely arra van ítélve, hogy egyik fizetéstől a másikig kölcsönből éljen. Rá kell döbbennünk, hogy lehet ez másként is. Hogy mások vagyunk. Hogy minden igazán rossz Bukarestből jön, a luxusvillákból, amelyekben a politikusok szégyentelenül marakodnak a koncon. Meg kell látnunk, hogy nem a magyarok, a németek vagy a burundiak az ellenségeink, hanem mi magunk, az egyik napról másikra élők, akik arra vagyunk ítélve, hogy lopjunk és szitkozódjunk az utcasarkon. Nincs mit egymásnak mondanunk; 75 év alatt elmondtunk mindent és 75-ször szegényebbek vagyunk. Egyébként további jó napokat - torkig vagyok Romániával, Erdélyemet akarom.

--Vasile 23:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please create articles with at least 2 lines

Hello. About for example this or Zlatna or again Rupea and many other, come on ! Please have at the very least two lines of content to add in an article. I mean 2 lines of significant information (not being category or Wiki info please). What is the meaning of those creations ? Not even english, not even saying what the title is, hardly 5 words in some cases... Are you racing to create as many articles as possible ? Regards. Gtabary 15:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Dunaszerdahely.jpg

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[edit] your stub creations

Hello!

If you're going to create all these tiny short articles, please consider tagging them to make them easier for others to find and expand in the future. (Alternately, how about grouping them together in some way?) To tag them, you want something like: {{Romania-stub}}, which will give

This Romania-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

and cause them to show up in the right stubs category.

- Csari 01:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What information

Hello

What information are you talking about, because I revised most of your recent edits, to give them a more consistent form and a more wikified aspect. If you are talking about the 1910 referendum, you should know that in that referendum it was not presented the ethnicity, but the language spoken (which are not the same thing), so if you would want to present that info you should say that. See [1]. Mihai -^talk 23:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello,

Firt of all, it was not a correct information given, and you have the reason above. Then you didn't mention any source for that data, and it wasn't verifiable, so I removed it. It is not my job to make it right, it is yours. Mihai -^talk 23:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tildes

Remember to always sign all of your posts on talk pages. Typing four tildes after your comment ( ~~~~ ) will insert a signature showing your username and a date/time stamp, which is very helpful. Mihai -^talk 23:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Furulya: see recorder and flute

Hi,

Furulya is "recorder" indeed in English: click the above link. "Flute" means fuvola in Hungarian (click the other link above). Adam78 23:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I don't get your point

This is your message left on my discussion page:

I'm not suprised that only a romanian can disturbed by a video about the Hungarian justice in Transylvania... Yes, propaganda movie... only the official report of the ragain of Transylvania... Ununderstandable... Time to exterminate all the Magyars....? And from the Tisa to the Nistru...

As other contributions you made, it is not signed, uses bad English and expresses a very childish attitude. And a very annoying thing is that you are not willing to contribute in any way to a decent dialog with anyone having different opinions. -- Alexrap 11:00, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Kassa1938.jpg listed for deletion

The same applies to:

• Image:MatyasKolozsvar.jpg
• Image:Scan10002.jpg
• Image:Honved1940.jpg
• Image:Tuzerseg.jpg
• Image:Harckocsiszazad.jpg
• Image:Mostmarjo.jpg
• Image:Fomeltosagupar.jpg
• Image:Taborituzerseg.jpg
• Image:Korosfo1940.jpg

TheGrappler 19:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)