Talk:Howard Stern

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	To-do list for Howard Stern:	edit - history - watch - refresh
Fix missing citations, add fact tag when needed (You may find some good sources in the Private Parts book.) Get permission for use of Howard's Sirius promo image, or get better screen grab image.

[edit] Libertarian?

I see that stern is considered a libertarian in the categories list even though he's said many a time not to categorize him in his political views....—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hcallen (talk • contribs).

Probably because he ran as a libertarian for Gov. of NY... LilDice 12:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DEATH PENALTY

He says in his second book that he no longer supports it becaus ethe OJ trial showed him that the poor will get sent to the chair while the rich will not.

So cite it and add it. LilDice 17:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I wrote Sirius publicity and they never sent me an official headshot with permission for use, unfortunately. We really should try to get permission to use and a nice hi-res publicity shot though. Maybe someone should e-mail Fred, he respects wikipedia! LilDice 02:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what Fred's email is, but maybe someone can ask Mutt on SternFanNetwork. --Bark 19:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I dont have an account at SFN, but if someone with a connection over there can just get someone at Sirius to e-mail one of us an official publicity photo with copyright info and permission to use that would rock the current one is a really bad photo. LilDice 19:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Replaced with newer screen grab from HSOD. The old image was very old. LilDice 01:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I realize the quality isn't great. But it is more recent than the previous one, so please stop the reverting. LilDice 16:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

If Howard doesn't like this picture then Howard can get one of his boys to upload a recent picture with a clear view of his face, and we'll use that one instead. --Bark 19:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Howard should like this one, I think. --Bark 22:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversial Statements and Trivia

A section like this is problematic. What constitutes "offensive" and "controversial"? Answering that question opens a whole can of worms because what one may consider offensive, another may not. The same holds true for controversy. To have a section like that opens the door for anything anyone to add. This article may become so long and awkward, it defeats the purpose. Not to mention the fact that the article would no longer read like an encyclopedia entry and more like a rap sheet, violating Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy. Also, I question the worth of the Trivia section. Is anything there interesting and worthwhile? That section is also problematic. Wikipedia discourages trivia sections, asking for you to either assimilate the item into the body of text of the article or remove it entirely. --Bark 13:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see a controversial statements section. As far as the Trivia section, I'm fine with removing it. It's all innane POV stuff. LilDice 14:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Controversial Statements section. I'll begin integrating and removing the Trivia section. --Bark 14:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop spreading the minsinformation that the $500 Million figure is a salary, it's a budget.

It was first reported as a budget in major newspapers and still a few select non lazy journalists will report this amid the torrential output of people who chose to get it wrong.

People with greater journalism skills than me can easily prove this but the base inquiry could start with this

http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-67344.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stephen's black friend (talk • contribs).

If you read the Forbes article it lists $300 mil. as how much he makes a year and calls it a Salary, not $500 mil. This might contain a one-time $230 mil. payout. But regardless, does anyone ever claim $500 mil is his salary? LilDice 11:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, Forbes isn't a reputable source, but a message board is? Like LilDice said, the page doesn't even list $500,000,000 as the figure. --Bark 18:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

howards salary is not public information. Forbes ridiculously and arbitarily combines the DEBUNKED $100 Million a year salary figure(same as 500 over 5 years) with wildly incredulous rumors about various stock deals/bonuses. So since this is ONE source for disproving half of Forbes bull$hit math, please don't go and use their figure anyway.

http://www.secinfo.com/dsvRa.13ej.htm

Section 8.01 Other Events

     We have entered into an agreement with Howard Stern, one of the most widely listened to radio and entertainment personalities in the United States, and his production company. Pursuant to the agreement, commencing on January 1, 2006, Stern will move his radio show to SIRIUS Satellite Radio from terrestrial radio as part of a channel created by Stern. We also expect Stern to develop and produce one or more additional channels of programming for us during the term of the agreement. The agreement will expire on December 31, 2010.

     Our financial obligations under the agreement are material, and consist of both fixed and incentive payments. These obligations are payable partly in cash and partly in shares of our common stock.

     We estimate that we will recoup our fixed obligations under the agreement when we acquire approximately 1,000,000 incremental subscribers. This estimate is based upon a number of significant assumptions (which we believe to be reasonable but which contain significant uncertainties), including the timing and costs of acquiring such subscribers and the length of time such individuals remain subscribers. In addition, if we achieve the incentive milestones contained in the agreement, we believe that the material positive effects on our business will far outweigh the related incentive payments.

     Our aggregate fixed obligations under the agreement are approximately $100 million per year. These costs include production and operating costs for the show, including compensation of show cast and staff, overhead, construction costs for a dedicated studio, a budget for the development of additional programming and marketing concepts, and payments to Stern and his agent.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stephen's black friend (talk • contribs).

Unfortunately, if you look at http://www.secinfo.com/$/About.asp, it says quite clearly that the source is not affiliated with nor endorsed by the SEC or CSA. Moreover, this excerpt doesn't refute the other source, which happens to be a business periodical that has been around for a while. What seems more discomforting here is that you seem unable to "play nice" with others. --Bark 13:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Bark please relax. We're all on the same team here just trying to get the best article we can. You can understand that we dont want to remove a cited source just because someone comes in and calls it bullshit. Now, I think you have some good points. And I do think that Forbes is including the $240 mil. in business deals in the figure, which technically isn't a salary, since he isn't payed that every year. I am actually fine with just omitting the figure if the other eds are. It is indeed speculative in nature, and not really all that notable. LilDice 14:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey baby, I'm peachy. It seems to be a moot point now because the Forbes link has died. However, I would appreciate it if name calling wasn't introduced to this discussion. (See the article's history if you missed it.) --Bark 17:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Howard Stern in Douglas Adams Books

In the book, The Long, Dark, Tea-time of the Soul, by Douglas Adams, there is a bestselling author by the name of Howard Stern.He is actually a terrible writer, and the only reasons his books sell is because his name is absolutly perfect for printing on the front of books. I have no idea if this charectar is connected with the other Howard Stern, but I thought I'd let everyone here know. I think that Howard Stern was already on the radio by the time this book was written, but I'm not positive.

Hmm, interesting Stern was on the air in '88 for sure. LilDice 23:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I just checked and it was actually Howard Bell, sorry, my mistake.

[edit] Daughter: Deborah or Debra?

Hey anon user, I cited a source to backup Deborah, and it's on Sirius.com. I don't care who you go to school with. Here on Wikipedia, you have to Cite your sources with no original research. --Bark 16:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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