Template talk:House of Stuart
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[edit] Numbering of James
Scott Wilson wrote "James should have the Scottish numeral first; convention since they were monarchs of Scotland before they were monarchs of England."
There is no such convention for James II and VII. The Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(names_and_titles) say that "where a monarch has reigned over a number of states, use the most commonly associated ones."
It is true that the usage "James VI and I" is far more common than "James I and VI". But it is also true that "James II and VII" is far more common that "James VII and II" (do a Google search).
I have left "James VI/I" but changed his grandson to "James II/VII". It reflects common usage, even if it doesn't follow a pattern. Noel S McFerran 02:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- You're correct that Wikipedia convention is to use the most commonly associated one (and I won't get into that kettle of fish) but the general convention when referring to them is to put the Scottish numeral first. I'll see if I can source this and get back to you. --Scott Wilson 08:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
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- As I said previously: do a Google search. There are three times as many webpages which use the phrase "James II and VII" as do "James VII and II". Most of his biographies call him merely "James II" (Clarke, Miller, Turner, Haswell, Ashley), although Trevor has him as II and VII. Scottish nationalists may refer to him as VII and II, but the rest of the world doesn't. Noel S McFerran 12:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- It may be a common mistake, but that doesn't make it any less of a mistake. --Scott Wilson 14:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- As I said previously: do a Google search. There are three times as many webpages which use the phrase "James II and VII" as do "James VII and II". Most of his biographies call him merely "James II" (Clarke, Miller, Turner, Haswell, Ashley), although Trevor has him as II and VII. Scottish nationalists may refer to him as VII and II, but the rest of the world doesn't. Noel S McFerran 12:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Noel. Astrotrain 18:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
