Talk:House of Gondola/Gundulić
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[edit] Mir Harven's comment
What this page is about ? I see usual Greater Serbian stuff with regard to some Serbian themes mentioned in Gundulić's "Osman" (as I recall, one chapter-10th or 11th). This is, in the ordinary repertory of Serbian cultural possessiveness, a try to "prove" that Gundulić was a "Serb". One could argue better that he was a "Pole", since "Osman" is about Turks and Poles. Or Ivan Mažuranić a Montenegrin, according to the theme of his epic poem. Usual rubbish. Mir Harven 11:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
My mother family, comes directly of Gondola family, (Ghetaldi-Gondola), and were NOT Serv!! and Croats!!, the origin is in Lucca Italy, and the Ghetaldi family was in Trento Italy (Tirol), and since XVII century, most marriages weres with the austrian nobility. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ragusino (talk • contribs) 14:05, 14 April 2006.
[edit] Grammar
While the factual information that the unnamed IP address folks have been giving seems top notch, the grammar has been a bit lacking. I'm watching this page, because I think it's great to have this information coming in -- even from users in Austria or Italy or Serbia, whose English may not be as strong as their native tongue -- and I'm willing to continue to re-organize and repair grammar issues on this topic. But please don't revert my grammar corrections. I'm certain that sentence structures like "in 1634 he becoming a senator", "Catterina married with Matheo Ghetaldi", "date of born unknown", and "He fight in Franco-Prussian War" are gramattically incorrect. Travisl 20:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Who died in WWI?
- Anna Johanna Maria (March 6, 1865–February 17, 1902), was born in Cattaro, and died in Graz. He married Francesco (Fery) Fedrigoni Edler v. Etschthal (c. 1858–August 8, 1914), who died in Savlaka, Servia in World War I. They had a son, Giulius, and a daughter, Adele.
- Giulius Fedrigoni Edler v. Etschthal, (May 5, 1893–November 17, 1917), died in the same war as his father ...
So is Anna a male or female? Frencesco: male or female? Which one died in the war in Savlaka, and which one in Graz? Travisl 02:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Anna was a female and Francesco was a male. please i need obtain info about Maria Ghetaldi-Gondola (Maria Gondola), date and place of death. Ragusino
[edit] Is this a hoax?
Google suggests it might be. The figures all appear questionable and User:Ragusino appears to have created other suspect articles. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ephrosinia Lukarevic. ---CH 08:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone using IP 200.30.245.208 (talk • contribs) (aka the metropolis-inter.com anon geolocated near Santiago, Chile) deleted the above query. Be aware, metropolis-inter.com anon, that deleting talk page comments by other users is considered vandalism. ---CH 18:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
According to a posting at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ephrosinia_Lukarevic, it looks like there may be some falsehoods in here, as well as significant facts:
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- Delete Ephrosinia Lukarevic as a copyright violation and fiction, but keep Trojan Gundulić, House of Gondola, and House of Ghetaldi and move them to userspace awaiting better references. As already pointed out Trojan Gundulić is clearly real, and there is enough both in House of Gondola and House of Ghetaldi that appear real that there is a good reason not to just summarily delete them just because little can be found through Google. Ivan Gundulić, mentioned in one of the articles, is certainly a real and very notable poet. A Joseph Sigismund Reichsgraf von Gondola, "auch: Gundulic", apparently a Benedictine author, has an entry in WBIS Online, as do a number of people named Gondola with given names such as Francesco and Sigismondo, who appear to be members of the family of this article. These Italian/Croatian noble families ought to be verifiable in Austro-Hungarian printed sources or other references covering Central European nobility, as well as possibly Italian biographical reference works. There is no reason to assume that they are "unverifiable" until these works have actually been checked. We clearly have a problem in this case with systemic bias in both the most easily available, googlable sources and in some of the databases I have access to, but there are enough indications that these are real historical people of some importance in their own time and place. Let the author work on them a bit more in his userspace and present good printed sources that readers can check. Tupsharru 12:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Also, there's no indication at all that User:Ragusino intentionally introduced falsehoods. Rather, in the case of Ephrosinia_Lukarevic , he may have lifted text from the Dictionary_of_the_Khazars, but neglected to note that Ephrosinia was a fictional character. Her article obviously needed a lot of work to bring up to standard. It doesn't appear that he's used the same source material on this page.
That said, I know nothing more about the House of Gondola than what I've read here. My contributions to this article are no more than spelling, grammar, and sylistic changes. Travisl 19:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
All the text about House of Gondola is true, check Almanac of Gotha, Freiherhause, 1864, 1941, http://home.foni.net/~adelsforschung/ggtbg.htm - Archive in Dubrovnik, Siechmacher book, Archive in Merano, Graz and Venice.
Please Traslate!!
Frano barun Gondola, sredio je sve formalnosti i još se samo čekala ona kako bi preuzela njegove stvari i kako bi, s pratnjom, bila ispraćena do Gradske luke gdje je čekao brod. Isti onaj s kojim su doputovali... Pamtila je čudan osjećaj užasa, tuge i žalosti zbog iznenadnog gubitka oca, prekoravajući neobuzdanu svoju mladost koja je, mislila je, iznevjerila njegovo povjerenje koje joj je iskazivao. Vjerujući da je upravo njezin nedolazak u dogovoreno vrijeme za zajedničku večeru bio uzrokom njegove smrti. Bez obzira što su je uvjeravali da je umro od srčane kapi. I da se sve do iznenadnog odlaska u sobu dugo zabavljao s izvjesnom gospođom ne krijući svoju naklonost i zainteresiranost za njezine ponuđene draži. Uvjeravala je sebe da su to tek glasine kojima ne treba pridavati poseban značaj. Tek ju je papirić pronađen u džepu njegove košulje s ispisanim imenom Esperanta Gondola, upućivao i na takvu mogućnost, ali u nju naprosto nije vjerovala. Prolazile su godine tišine i osame. Njezina znanstvena karijera nije bila upitna, ali sreća nikako da zakuca na njena vrata. Ljubav je ostala negdje drugdje. Daleko na jugu gdje vjetrovi mirišu na sol i ribe i neke nepoznate eterične biljke
[edit] Contradictory dates
Note that the dates in this sentence contradict each other. When fixed, the date format should also be made consistent with the rest of the article (I don't know whether 1.3.1943 is January 3 or March 1, although I suspect March 1).
Between 11.9.1942 and 1.3.1943, (Obstlt) he was commander of regiment in the French Seenotbereichskommando, the city of Cherbourg (Normandía) and the Seenotbereichskommando XIII at Berre/20 km NW of Marseille between (Dec 42 - 19 Aug 44?). Giulius had married Adele Toth de Becsö.
Travisl 15:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
