Talk:House Ordos
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[edit] Quick question about Emperor: Alliances
What exactly is this "Emperor: Alliances" that is referred to in this article? Googling it and looking through lists of published games returned no results (I'm assuming it's a game since it has House Ordos in it).
(Now that I've finally finished the Dune series I had to look this page up to see where Westwood got House Ordos from)
Thank you -CrimsonKaiser 00:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
The article make mention of "Emperor: Alliances." Will somebody please tell me what that is? Jason Palpatine 05:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
http://wiki.dune2k.com/wiki/Emperor_Alliances --Jesse Mulkey 23:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
If ıt was cancelled and no further info was given, Im not sure if it counts as canon. And in its current stage, the parts about the Emperor: Alliances look as if they are a fan fiction. Also, are you sure if that wiki page is correct? I followed Westwood very closely during the years of TS, RA2, Renegade, Emperor and (To an extent) Generals. Never even saw an indication or decleration of an expansion pack, let alone the news of its cancellation. Therefore I feel those parts about Alliances need deletion. Any comments?
[edit] House Ordos
Right, it's a rough job I know, but it's a start. That being said there are two things I think we should avoid in the future with this incarnation of the article: 1. Don't go overboard with the Ordos story. It's a minor house, and doesn't deserve more than a paragraph or two. 2. No game only information. If the only information about the article is from the games, don't include it!
Thank you -Robgea
but, the ordos only really exist in the games, and a lot of people i know dont even know that the dune universe started in books. this article as it stands is one of the best written i have seen on wikepedia, encompassing all the information in an eloquently constructed manner. congrats to whoever did this. 29/7/05
[edit] Killing this bloat
This page is way too long, and I'm excising it. Why oh why is this page bigger than House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and House Corrino? And the game units? They're going out. They can be reinstated at a page about the game. --Staecker 13:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you...--Robgea 21:16, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
Jesse Mulkey reinstated the page, and I'm going to cut it again. This is not "one of the most detailed articles on Wikipedia," nor should it be. The Ordos are just not that important in the Dune universe. Jesse- I know you personally like them. But having such a huge article on them in contrast to the comparatively miniscule ones on Atreides, Harkonnen, and Corrino is not right. I don't mean to start a revert war here, but I think that a much thinner Ordos page has always had support throughout the lifetime of this article. Please register your opinions, anyone who's watching.--Staecker 23:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Why House Ordos should not be cut.
House Ordos was never an official part of the Dune universe, just the RTS games. They deserve more information since the official sources (the games) are out of print and because they are unique, etc. While for the other houses anyone could just look in the novels or encyclopedia for info. Would you feel better about the longer House Ordos article if the other three house also had as much info? House Ordos needs to be recognized, and such a short page with such little info does not do them justice.
- Actually, that's a good point - that the games are out of print. In that case, I feel like the games' articles would need to be expanded in order to justify a big Ordos page. We can't have a huge Ordos article, when Ordos is just an aspect of a game series that is not-well represented on Wikipedia. The single Ordos article (at its longest) was about as big as all the material on all 5 Dune games (at Dune (computer game) and Dune II) comibned. That's like having a huge article on Short Round, while having only a few paragraphs on Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
- But you are actually beginning to make me feel like Ordos has some importance... Staecker 01:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- Staecker, you're a retard. Quit making up retarded, anal, out-of-nowhere on-the-spot "rules" like keeping articles for spin-offs shorter than the originals, just to make others feel like you have some importance, mmkay? Idiots. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.63.199.2 (talk • contribs).
- The Ordos have no canonical importance, but they were a unique and interesting House nontheless; and they have a small but devoted fanbase. According to Westwood Studios, Emperor: Battle for Dune takes place around 200 years before the original movie "Dune". -Jesse Mulkey
- This page does not do House Ordos justice. There is so much more about them. -Jesse Mulkey
Who cares if it's bigger? A bigger article means more detail, let's say for someone who is interested in the house as it appears in the games. Just let it grow and encompass all of the unit information, and if it bugs you so much, add onto the Atreides, Corrino and Harkonnen pages, too.
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- Oh, I think I wrote most of this article. I can't remember. I know I wrote most of the bit about the home-world and the.... Well, I'm pretty sure I wrote most of it, as I remember writing specific bits that I may read throughout, and it sort of bears my "Official Wikipedian" writing-style, which I put on to make things look quasi-professional to readers here, but I also know that other people have touched it up a lot, as well. I am sorry if I made it too long, but they are my favourite House in the games and I tend monopolise subjects I am interested in. I can see where some of you are coming from with their being a nearly non-existent faction in the Duneverse, but as I believe this article makes clear, pretty much all of the info here refers to the game series, but I also feel that it sufficiently clarifies where the Ordos originate from (The Dune Encyclopedia), and what the magnitude of the role they play there is like, which I feel to also be important. I would've written the article on the Atreides and the Harkonnen Houses as well, but frankly, in terms of the games I don't care so much for them, and in terms of the books, anybody who strays upon the Dune universe article (which I believe is linked to in each and every Duneverse-relevant article on Wikipedia) will basically be pointed in the right direction. After all, Atreides and Harkonnen are Duneverse-imperative material, and Dune books may be purchased at any half-decent bookstore. Dune computer games are off the market now until, at least, another one is produced; This may very well be the only "compendium" (Ha!) of Ordos info any non-gamer might have, even if they're fans of the Dune saga itself. I really do not see the point of having a section for units, though; if you own the games, then you know what they are, and if you don't own any, then it is immaterial whether or not they utilise Cobra battle-tanks.
- In summary; shorten the article if you will, but do try to keep in mind that most people won't have the chance to access this information elsewhere, and whether or not that has significance is up to whom it may concern. -jove
- Also, come to think of it, do I believe I touched up on an already extant article, and that most of the perhaps overly-verbose explication was introduced by myself as a way to add the informational equivalent of seasoning and spice. I feel that information itself is all but worthless if it is communicated in a manner nobody wishes to experience. -jove
- Oh, I think I wrote most of this article. I can't remember. I know I wrote most of the bit about the home-world and the.... Well, I'm pretty sure I wrote most of it, as I remember writing specific bits that I may read throughout, and it sort of bears my "Official Wikipedian" writing-style, which I put on to make things look quasi-professional to readers here, but I also know that other people have touched it up a lot, as well. I am sorry if I made it too long, but they are my favourite House in the games and I tend monopolise subjects I am interested in. I can see where some of you are coming from with their being a nearly non-existent faction in the Duneverse, but as I believe this article makes clear, pretty much all of the info here refers to the game series, but I also feel that it sufficiently clarifies where the Ordos originate from (The Dune Encyclopedia), and what the magnitude of the role they play there is like, which I feel to also be important. I would've written the article on the Atreides and the Harkonnen Houses as well, but frankly, in terms of the games I don't care so much for them, and in terms of the books, anybody who strays upon the Dune universe article (which I believe is linked to in each and every Duneverse-relevant article on Wikipedia) will basically be pointed in the right direction. After all, Atreides and Harkonnen are Duneverse-imperative material, and Dune books may be purchased at any half-decent bookstore. Dune computer games are off the market now until, at least, another one is produced; This may very well be the only "compendium" (Ha!) of Ordos info any non-gamer might have, even if they're fans of the Dune saga itself. I really do not see the point of having a section for units, though; if you own the games, then you know what they are, and if you don't own any, then it is immaterial whether or not they utilise Cobra battle-tanks.
