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[edit] Influences on David Weber

I haven't read the Lensman series, but I think Weber included several references to it. Can someone who's read both confirm or deny it?

Anyway, I do think that some article should list the literary and historical influences on the Honorverse.

SpaceCaptain 01:39, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. Perhaps we should start by first listing the influences and references that Weber has made? Brainstorming in advance might make for a better article. It will certainly make for an easier to write article. Here are the influences that I know about.
  • Manticore's influences
    • Modern day England (even though Manticore is not ans never has been an empire).
    • Lord Admiral Nelson (Prototype for Honor Harrington)
    • Queen Elizabeth I (prototype for Queen Elizabeth III)
    • tradition of Royality and Nobles serving in the Navy.


Literary Influences
  • Beowulf
there are more, I'm sure...but I cam't think of them. When I do, I'll post them here.*Kat* 01:47, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
added few more, will expand when I have time, suggest moving it to article section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 10:42, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I don't have time to expand it into an article either. That's why I started this outline.~~
Maybe this is just me, but the way the Solarian League gets described in a number of ways reminds me of the standard criticisms of the United Nations. As long as we're hypothesizing influences... thing is, though, unless David Weber's stated somewhere that he's specifically been influenced by something, I'm not sure that it's appropriate to include a supposed influence in the article. References are different, since it's directly stated in his work, but even in the format of "Some readers have suggested that Grayson is an allusion to the Amish", I doubt that's "properly encyclopedic" or whatever the wikipedia guidelines for articles require if we're the source of the suggestion.The Literate Engineer 04:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure where this would fall in your list of influences, but the Horatio Hornblower books have definitely been an influence. In fact, the story title "Ms. Midshipwoman Harrington" is a direct play on the book title Mr. Midshipman Hornblower. However, I have read the Lensman series many times, and I have yet to find any Lensman references in the Honorverse. If there are any, they're a lot more subtle than I'd expect from the man who came up with "Rob S. Pierre". -- CWesling 08:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Manticore

There are discrepancies with relation to casualties and original battle force for this battle, and it would be greatly appreciated if someone could streighten them out. Also, could someone find the numbers for third and eighth fleet?--Akako|ā˜Ž 14:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I've put in the correct numbers from the book, as well as significantly extending the account of the battle. Dr pda 21:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Material to salvage

See [1] - I found some materials from my (partially) old, now defunct honorverse site in the Internet Archieve. Feel free to take anything you need and add it here.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Service of the Sword

I believe this book is considered part of the Shadow of Saganami series by Weber, but haven't time today to verify that.(Wrong again... )<G> FrankB 15:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Baen is paying a lot more attention to grouping same as are book dealers like Amazon and B&Nā€” in contrast to the chaotic mess that pertains to Eric Flint's 1632 series by way of contrast... I suspect David and his agent or publicist are minding the store and so those categorizations should tell the proper grouping. FrankB 18:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Categories

I placed a list like this in Talk:1632 series, which is analogous to this article in that it ties all the works in the series, and it's various sub-series together.

It is very useful as a check list or to Cut and Paste into new Articles.

The ebook category certainly applies to virtually all Baen's books by this date six years after he started expermenting with ePublishing.

So two of these are probably new to any reader here: The ebooks cat and David Weber book cat as well. FrankB 15:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Categories

[[ Category:Fiction ]]

[[ Category:Fantasy novels ]]

[[ Category:Science fiction novels ]]

[[ Category:Science fiction series ]]

[[ Category: Novel sequences ]]

[[ Category: Honorverse ]]

[edit] time to remove stub template from empire section

Any details would just duplicate the wiki entries for those empires. Joncnunn 21:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new categrories

To consider:

Also, note that there are articles on The Honorverse Wiki which should be copied here (as THW is not supposed to be an encyclopedia).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with all of those except for Honorverse technology. There's already an Honorverse military technology. Jon 20:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
There is some honoeverse technology that is not military. Prolong for starters, quite a lot of space travel technology too. Why should they be excluded from their own category?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From embedded comment

[edit] re:Main Series (novels)

I'd placed this (now removed) under the article page section title Honorverse#Main_Series_(novels) 16:00 UTC, Weds 15 May 2006 and no one seems to have found the embedded notes about the templates. WikiProjects (books and novels) has been educating me lately too, so see my /archive04 exchange with Kevinlewis on a novels infobox 'Standard'. I just cattle-proded three of the book folks to categorize their book templates (User_talk:Pegship#Book_.27Tools.27_and_such_topics, so maybe some of their standard templates will improve and come into general accessibility.

I'm removing this (updated) note I'd embedded

Copyeditors!!: There are templates {{ISBN}} and {{cite book}} (SF use example: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grantville_Gazette_II&action=edit&section=6) for books which has ISBNs, etc. This should be used, at least in the individual article pages. Copyright dates and ISBNs should be available by using the link: http://www.baen.com/series_list.asp#S1000000001 which lists all the books in the series via succeeding links. If you don't know about this template, I'll place it on the Talk page under 'ISBN BOOK Template' or some such rubric. If there is none to be found there, inquire on my Talk page AND email me. Chances are good I can dig it out. user: fabartus ca 16:00 UTC, Weds 15 May 2006

[edit] ISBN BOOK Template

Keeps my promise, albeit belatedly: {{cite book}}; Use of ISBN within works. Seeing what you folks here have organized, that section needs reconciled with it's list/navigation purpose and the Book projects folks standard guidlines... I'd suggest the 'cite book' be used in each article under publishing history, as I'm doing in 1632 series, leaving the series article carry the 'glue' and 'common' stuff. Best wishes // FrankB 19:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I added ISBN to the infobox, and then added the actual ISBNs to each book, for the main series. We need an infobox for the other Honorverse books. Maybe I can do that this weekend. -Arch dude 19:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reading order

Why should War be after Crown? I disagree with that change Tbmorgan74 21:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Internal Chronology

Reading order is the order that best reveals the world to the reader. Mostly that is publication order, but that is not a given. The short stories in the extra novels are not all set in the same time as each other, so sorting the collections themselves into universe chronology would be impossible. Stay tuned for a list of all stores by internal chronology. Tbmorgan74 17:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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