Talk:Hong Kong/Archive 1
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Whoa, I just came in and saw the following: " By the authority of the Special Administrative region of Hong Kong, I David Huckerby of 19 Tin Yan Road do hereby state that I, deposited with Hang Seng bank, the sum of $US 28,000,000.00 (twenty eight million dollars) for safe keeping and custody pending the time for collection by the undermentioned person. " What is that?
Picture of the skyline
The photo is very old. Can someone replace it with a more updated one, representative of the current HK skyline? --Jiang
Removed:
Image:Hongkong central kowloon.jpg Click here for the full size.
C'on, the skyline's been changed quite a bit. The observatory (or whatever it's called) at Tsim Sha Tsui was still under contruction when this photo was taken. --Jiang 06:19, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Oh wait, this is not from Victoria Peak. But still, it's not a good view. --Jiang
Map
We need a fucking map showing bridges and tunnels, to avoid a wrong impression about the connectedness of the islands with the mainland, or we can edit the map. - Patrick 19:34, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- "(bridges and tunnels not shown)" - what's the point in saying that? It's obvious they aren't shown - just look at it and the absence of brigdes and tunnels is obvious. None of our other maps show bridges or tunnels, why the need to point it out here? CGS 19:47, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC).
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- The remark below the map is of course intended for people who do not know that there are bridges or tunnels, and from the map get the wrong impression that there are none (most maps show them). My remark above applies also for Singapore, Denmark and Sweden, perhaps a few more. Surprisingly the CIA map of the UK does show the tunnel. - Patrick 20:08, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I added 9 bridges and tunnels to the CIA map. Can a sysop please remove the protection, then I can remove my map caption which is no longer applicable. - Patrick 21:19, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Unprotected, map caption removed. Pete 21:32, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Who protected the page? CGS 22:07, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC).
The Map of Hong Kong is outdated. Sea border was re-adjusted. HenryLi 14:04, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Greenery
We currently have:
- Despite the population density, Hong Kong was reported to be one of the greenest cities in Asia. The majority of people live in flats in high-rise buildings. The rest of the open spaces are often covered with parks, woods and shrubs. The vertical placement of the population explains why densely populated, green city is not an oxymoronic phrase.
Does anyone else think this is somewhat misleading? If you look at the entire territory of Hong Kong (HK Island + New Territories), then yes, there is a lot of open green space. But to a visitor standing in typical locations such as Central, Tsim Sha Tsui, Wan Chai, or Yau Ma Tei, there's not much green to be found. Jpo 15:33, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- I agree, Jpo. I am a Hong Kong citizen and I've been living here since I was born. When you look around in an urban area, you really can't see much green except in those small Parks (公園) built in the middle of some residential areas. It is true, though, that there are many open green space in the New Territories and the surrounding islands which offer natural habitats for wild life (e.g. Mai Po Marshes Nature Reserve, or 米埔自然護理區), but it is surely misleading if you say there is much green space in the urban area. --Cylauj 15:33, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hongkongers in Vancouver
isnt it true that vast numbers of hong kongers went to vancouver BC just before 1997?
Hongkonger
to Hlaw, don't you read SCMP? "Hongkonger" appears every day.
Hong Kong Elections
I removed the following text added by anon. "However, the majority of media and democratic parties criticised that the election is a falsification of democracy, in which all 400 legitimate voters for chief executive are selected by the China Government to ensure the Beijing-appointed candidate were elected. During Tung's run for second term in 2002, he was the only one candidate in the election that made him apparently unopposed for election.
Followed by the historically mass protest in July 1, 2002, the Tung's cabinet were immediately dragged in a crisis of governance. Two top officials were resigned and the cabinet was forced to reshuffle. There have been strong voices over the reform in constitution that brings suffrage to Hong Kong citizens, but the possibility for reform has been ruled out by the China Government."
Besides appearing horribly POV and non-encyclopedic, this bears strong resemblance to text which has been repeatedly removed from this page in the past. I know there's some issue with elections in Hong Kong, but to say "majority" I think a single citation should be easy to come by. Clearly needs copyediting by a person more fluent in English, also. I'm not overly motivated to add this info back into the main article, but with citation and copyediting, feel free. --ABQCat 21:38, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Besides being seriously POV and non-encylopedic, the paragraphs are misleading / not accurate in almost their entirety: The 800 members of the "Election Committee" which elect the Chief Executive to his second term are returned in accordance with Annex I of the Basic Law. Members include all Legislative Council Members, etc - they could not have been "selected" by the Chinese Government. Criticisms come mostly from the democratic camp who fights for univeral suffrage that the election is not representative enough. The "mass protest" is on July 1, 2003. Only one non-official member of the cabinet (James Tien) resigned (and was subsequently replaced). The Basic Law provides for universal suffrage as an ultimate aim and there is no need for "reform in constitution" to bring about that (amendment of its Annex would suffice). The National Peoples' Congress ruled out universal suffrage in 2007/08, not the room to change the method of election then, nor the possibility for universal suffrage afterwards.
- Furthermore, such information has been mostly provided in the articles on Politics of Hong Kong. It is disproportionate to place them in the main article of Hong Kong. --Hlaw 03:32, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Economy
Removed the following:
- Although Hong Kong has often been popularly portrayed as an example of a free market economy which operates with minimal government interference, many critics argue this reputation is undeserved arguing that the small business community and both the colonial and SAR governments have intervened heavily in the HK economy, by for example, restricting the sale of land to keep property prices high.
Unless judged in an absolute sense (under which no economy of this world would justify the name free market economy), government intervention by itself should only be regarded as one of the factors in determining how free an economy is relatively. At least the following reputable source still ranks Hong Kong at the 1st of free market economies - Government intervention has already been taken into account as one of the factors.
Heritage Foundation - Index of Economic Freedom
The following (on the location/history etc of the airport) is not a major economic issue, and the information is already in the relevant articles.
- The major airport, Hong Kong International Airport (HKIA), is located on a partly artificial island connected to Lantau Island. The airport is often called Chek Lap Kok Airport, after one of the islands it was built upon. HKIA replaced the older Kai Tak Airport, which was known for its spectacular urban approach. Kai Tak was retired after Chek Lap Kok was built and now serves as a recreational venue and has been earmarked for housing development.
-Hlaw 15:45, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Official Language
Should we separate it into Official written language and Official spoken language?
- There seems no "official spoken language" / "official written language" as such. Article 9 of Basic Law says that in addition to the Chinese language, English may also be used as an official language by the executive authorities, legislature and judiciary of the HKSAR. -Hlaw 04:11, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Victoria City
It is not appropriate to say that the capital of Hong Kong is "Victoria City". Firstly, Hong Kong is a city of China and does NOT have a capital of its own. Secondly, there is no such place as "Victoria City" in Hong Kong. There is a "victoria Harbour", but not Victoria City.
PMW
There is "Victoria City", but this name is rarely used now. Victoria City refers to the present-day Sai Wan, Sheung Wan, Central and Wan Chai, roughly. Although Hong Kong has no de facto capital, Central (in Victoria City) is actually the centre of HK's administrative and economic activities. The word "capital" in English does not only mean the capital of a nation, like London, Beijing, but also it can refer to the administrative centre of a region, like New York is the capital of the New York State, Guangzhou is the capital of Guangdong province. Thus, it is fair enough to say Victoria City is the de facto capital of HK. (147)
Actually, the capital of New York State should be Albany.
Although there is a "Vicotria Park". Also, keep in mind that there are such things as provincial capitals. While HK is just a city it is a very big city that is very distinct from China. - someone else
1906 Typhoon and Tsunami
Seems like Wikipedia is the only source to have recorded it was typhoon with tsunami on September 18, 1906. Many other sources quoted it was a typhoon only.. or with 3 typhoons hitting the colony in 12 days. -- 19:03, December 31, 2004, UTC
