Talk:History of women in the United States
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This page should be renamed "History of white women in the United States."
I'm joking, of course, but I write that as a challenge to future editors of this article. The current version of the article uses the term "women" when what is usually meant is "white women." --Kevin Myers 15:17, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
- This is accurate criticism. Black women in large part launched a large part of the feminist movement, and a lot of other points here are directed mainly at white women. I'll see what I can do when I get a chance. Sarge Baldy 17:34, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
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- A History of White, Middle Class, American-born women? The important gains being made by working class and immigrant women are also ignored. Child labor legislation, unionizing (especially in the garment industry), contraception and abortion rights, even the right to dance in public were all brought about by the labor of working class, immigrant, or poor women. Wikipedia's demographic shows. [anonymous outsider, September 25 2005]
[edit] Female superiority
As the movement broadened to include many women like Susan B. Anthony from the temperance movement, the slavery metaphor was joined by the image of the drunkard husband who batters his wife. Feminist prejudice that women were morally superior to men reflected the social attitudes of the day.
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- I don't know how I missed that earlier, but that's certainly a blatant falsehood, for one thing because feminism is a belief in gender equality, not female superiority, and for another because it was men in the period who decided women were morally superior (and hence pressured them away from "dirty" work and into "moral" churches). I'm not sure how best to rework that section yet though (in a "neutral" fashion). Sarge Baldy 19:36, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
- That's really not true. Your definition of "feminism" is extrememly subjective and basically false. Thruout the history of feminism, many women in the cultural feminist and radical feminist movements have considered women to be superior to men, especially in morality. While this may have come from a condescending attitude of men, it was not confined to such. Check out such feminists as Mary Daly for the attitude that women are preferred to men.
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- That being said, while "prejudice" may be an accurate description of the feminist ideas of morality, it's a provocative word that brings to mind bigotry more than unsupported assumptions, so I changed it to say "certain feminist ideas," which also keeps from painting the feminist movement as more uniform than it is. NickelShoe 16:09, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] contemporary occult influence
As previously described, an oracle bead chronicle is composed from mucousal gel forged in the nose and nasal cavities of its maker, within which are preserved ancient/historical images and a voice strip. The bead is very tiny, and is well-protected beneath a limestone monument at the present time in the northeast United States.
Each memory-perfect historical image can be viewed as content of the oracle bead, and each image and image sequence bears the genetic 'shade' of its maker. The oracle bead described within this and other entries is an artifact composed from a human female maker. The oracle bead images which are currently circulating within human genetic pools therefore give impetus to an effort to find the female person [alas, now dead] and/or document the life and times of the woman from whom the oracle bead images have been arrayed all together in the oracle bead and transmitted within receptive populations. >beadtot@aol.com
[edit] POV
I've listed this article as POV, not to suggest ill will on the part of anyone involved, but to draw attention to the fact this article is severely slanted toward white women. The white feminist movement grew almost entirely out of the black feminist movement and yet they are currently absent from any mention here. Sarge Baldy 09:38, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
This article is confusing and unorganized. It is also lacking a lot of information on feminist history in the United States. For example, the article contains an image of Rosie the Riveter, but lacks any information on the substantial change to the role of women during WWII.
[edit] Rights
I just changed the article to say the the Declaration of Independence was androcentric in saying "all men are created equal," because this did not, as the article previously said, limit women's rights in any way. The D of I was not a set of laws, and all men are created equal is merely descriptive (wrong or not). I'm also unsure that we're being quite fair to the Founding Fathers, who likely considered "men" to be gender neutral. While there are plenty of problems with using "men" in a gender neutral fashion, if that was the intent, we should give them the benefit of the doubt, while explaining why this isn't good enough. Sound fair? NickelShoe 17:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- Well, clearly it had no legal bearing. "Men" has never been gender neutral, and has always been androcentric. Although it's likely that the men who drafted this document did not see anything malicious in its being this way, just as people might most often not see heterosexism in modern advertising as malicious. However, I think women were probably conscious of this usage, as evidenced by the later drafting of the "Declaration of Sentiments". Sarge Baldy 18:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Academic peer-reviewed criticism of this article
From Rosenzweig's article: "The entry on women leaves out the Nineteenth Amendment but devotes a paragraph to splits in the National Organization for Women (now) over the defense of Valerie Solanas (who shot Andy Warhol)."--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
