Talk:History of the X-Men comics

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[edit] import of Phoenix's sacrifice

The import of Phoenix's sacrifice was highlighted in an issue of What If. In an alternate timeline, Jean Grey prevents Cyclops from being injured and is rendered unconscious. Thus, her transformation and suicide are avoided, and the Shi'ar perform a psychic lobotomy on her to remove her powers and prevent the Phoenix force from returning. However, in a later battle with Galactus, Grey sees Cyclops about to be killed, and her powers return. Although she and the X-Men initially are ecstatic, especially since she feels no touch of her dark side, Grey ultimately begins to feel the hunger caused by her power once again and covertly looks for sustenance. After consuming a small star, the X-Men confront her, provoking her anger and the return of Dark Phoenix, who easily kills them all, Cyclops last. As she sees her beloved murdered by her own hand, Grey loses complete control of her power, and the unsatiable Phoenix Force, in the form of a gigantic firebird, destroys the earth and continues into the entire universe. I dont think this is relevant (i.e. if Jean didnt die something horrific would have happened). In Rachel Summer's timeline when Dark Phoenix confronts her parents, instead of disowning her like they do in the 616 timeline they are able to reach out to her her and Jean is able to control herself. So it could have been possible for Dark Phoenix to be stopped without killing herself. And I recall another what-if story with Jean not dying that doesn't result in total destruction. [1][2] --DrBat 22:06, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] do we need this?

it's well written, but the only page that links to it is the X-Men page - and why couldn't all this information go there? Elijya 03:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The X-Men article is long enough already. -Sean Curtin 06:27, 3 November 2005 (UTC)