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[edit] Mexico

The first comment below appears to be a Strong keep.

It is absolutely necessary for there to be a separate page about Mexican Jews. There is a huge interest in the United States about the Mexican Jewish community. There are also various Mexican Jewish communities each of which is facing individual issues, which makes a need for a separate entry in Wikipedia. It's important for someone to be able to type in Mexican Jews and be directly sent to an article.

Keep Mexican Jews. I concur that a separate page is necessary. I'd like to see both "Mexican Jews" and "Jews in Mexico" point to that article, with a "see also" for this article, but I'm not adamant so long as this article maintains a prominent link to that article. It is important that the two pieces interact, because certainly there are historic ties, but they're not entirely the same thing. Also, there isn't as much freedom to develop the Mexican part of an already incredibly long article, the way there would be if MJ remained a separate piece. I found it frustrating to be looking for an article on Jews in Mexico and have to make my way halfway down a much larger article.
Moreover: At present, the article on Mexican Jews (and this large article as well) does not address the role of U.S. immigration quotas on the shifting of large numbers of emigrating Jews to Mexico in the 19th and 20th centuries. An entire wing of my own family is in Mexico today because when the whole family arrived in Texas, some were permitted to stay and others were told, "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here" and thus moved to Mexico because it was near ... at least, that's the family story. I hope to see a few of them at a family gathering this weekend and be able to get more info that will in turn let me find reliable sources to use for researching this. Lawikitejana 21:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bolivia

There was/is a jewish community (~600 Jews) in Bolivia. I only know of third party sources such as http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Bolivia.html and my wife's family, so I'm hesitant to make any additions myself, but I'd love to see it added. --Reflous 08:29, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Reflous, it sounds like you have a good beginning -- why not try writing a section? Third party sources combined with a bit of first-hand knowledge is the best basis for wiki writing. Give it a shot and let the community revise and update. --Goodoldpolonius2 01:19, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Rico section

Can the author of that section provide any sort of evidence for any of it? As it is, it seems entirely unsourced POV original research. Not to mention dubious. Jayjg (talk) 23:43, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I wrote a 50 page history paper comparing the religious freedom experienced by Jews in Recife, New York, and Amsterdam. It was deemed publishable by my professor. So no, it is not unsourced nor my point of view. And it is certainly not dubious.

Sources:

Boxer, Charles R. The Dutch in Brazil, 1624-1654. Hamden, CT: Archon Books, 1973

Wiznitzer, Arnold. Jews in Colonial Brazil. New York: Columbia University Press, 1960.

Wiznitzer, Arnold. O Livro De Atas Das Congreagates Judaicas ``Zur Israel Em Recife E ``Magen Abraham Em Mauricia, Brazil, 1648-1653. Biblioteca Nacional (Brazil); Anais Da Biblioteca Nacional Do Rio De Janeiro; V. 74. Rio de Janeiro: Departamento de Imprensa Nacional, 1953.

These are hard-to-find books, but available at major university libraries.

To the anonymous commenter above, what objection are you referring to? I made changes after Jayg's comments to fix the Puerto Rico section, so I think Jayg's comments are out of date. The current Puerto Rico section is fine. In any case, the objection did not refer to Recife. --Goodoldpolonius2 05:29, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes thanks Polonius, your fixes to that section were exactly what it needed, and solved the issue. Jayjg (talk) 16:08, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

By request, I will attempt to expand on my addition of the Cleanup boilerplate, then removed by Goodoldpolonius2 (and requested reasoning for its application to this article). I would have copyedited it myself, but I had RL responsibilities to attend to.

  • At the diff page, I believe I clearly defined what needed attention – to anyone attempting to remove the cleanup boilderplate.
  • I noticed a significant unbalanced wiki-styling (but my eyesight isn't that good either!)
    • 36 wiki links in section 0 (4 paragraphs)
    • 2 wiki links in section 1 (2 paragraphs) (Argentina)
    • 1 wiki link in section 2 (4 paragraphs) (Brazil)
    • 2 wiki links in section 3 (2 paragraphs) (Mexico)
    • 12 wiki links in section 4 (2 paragraphs) (Puerto Rico)

Obvious items that need cleanup:

  • Wikify places (several that should be)
  • Wikify dates
  • I'm sure that a portion, if not majority, was writen by people that use ESL, and I have no issues with their addition of content. For journalistic reasons, grammar could be improved (by a native English speaker).

I will move on and leave the article untouched, considering the current consensus is that its is just fine the way it is. There are 1,532,354 articles, I'll find another.

…Guy M… (soapbox) 04:41, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
Guy, you don't have to react so strongly -- your cleanup tag had a single note "" -- it was totally unclear what that meant. I am not sure why you think most of the article was written by non-English speakers, it appears to me to be correct grammer and generally good flow, if a bit abrupt at times (although some of the source material is from the Jewish Encyclopedia of 1904, which can be archaic-sounding), perhaps you could point out the problems with the grammer that are bothering you? It just isn't clear to me when I read it.
As for the Wikilinks, I will add some - but generally I don't consider not Wikifying every place a need for cleanup. However, your point is valid (although Wikilinking is often biased heavily towards the first paragraphs, where huge numbers of terms are introduced), and being addressed. --Goodoldpolonius2 14:56, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Brazil

The article gives two different figures for the Jewish population of Brazil. First it states that it is 150,000, and then further down in the box it says that it is 95,000. Which is it? 69.137.220.179 00:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philippines?

I am having some troubles with the name of this article. Hisotry of the Jew in Latin America. Why is the Philippines included in this article? Gadig 18:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split Article

  • I'm proposing that this article be split up, or at least most content moved to subpages. Most of the sections here have fairly significantly sized entries, with room for expansion still, and I think it would make more sense for them to have their own page, without having to worry about the growing length of this article. Thoughts? -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 21:33, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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