Talk:History of the Falkland Islands
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As a Brit living in Argentina, this issue is interesting to me - should the site have a section somewhere, either on this page or the main Falklands site discussing the two competing claims for soverignty - Neither this one or the Spanish language one seems to have a section that lays these out? Just a question - PYsProblem --on second thoughts, I think it would be more appropriate on the main page... PysProblem
Could you please let me know where can I find supporting documentation to the claim that Spain yielded the islands to Britain in 1771 ? Thanks.
VerySeriousPerson@yahoo.com
Is this article NPOV? Looks terribly biased to me. At least, it should be merged with Falkland Islands' historical notice. It should also give notice of the United Nations resolutions on the issue. The claims to sovereignty should not be treated as facts, just as claims.
I agree. It's as if there are two separate Falklands articles more or less talking about the same thing. This needs revision!
- Although I didn't put it on Wikipedia, the article does state that it is based on the ninth edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, with other input, although, judging by the comparable paragraph in the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica, some of the dates and events were mixed up. The EB source explains the aricle's POV--even though at that time the EB was now owned by an American corporation, it still tried to foster a British view and spelling. I agree that it is virtually one sided, and needs some Argentinian input. I also don't understand why the original EB article was split into many sections. Now that the other articles have been updated, they probably shouldn't be merged, but this history should be, otherwise I don't see how all points of view can be accommodated in a synopsis. I have found some Spanish sites which offer the Argentinian view, but I don't read Spanish (relying on machine translation like Google), so I would prefer that a bilingual person merge them, keeping in mind that this is the English version of Wikipedia, and being mindful of others' copyrights.
- http://webs.sinectis.com.ar/mcagliani/malvi.htm
- http://www.todo-argentina.net/Geografia/provincias/Islas_Malvinas/
- http://www.geocities.com/macrisferrari/malvinas/
- For reference, here is the 1911 EB printed version:
- The Falkiand Islands were first seen by Davis in the year 1592, and Sir Richard Hawkins sailed along their north shore in 1594. The claims of Amerigo Vespucci to a previous discovery are doubtful. In 1598 Sebald de Wert, a Dutchman, visited them, and called them the Sebald Islands, a name which they bear on some Dutch maps. Captain Strong sailed through between the two principal islands in 1690, landed upon one of them, and called the passage Falkland Sound, and from this the group afterwards took its English name. In 1764 the French explorer De Bougainville took possession of the islands on behalf of his country, and established a colony at Port Louis on Berkeley Sound. But in 1767 France ceded the islands to Spain, De Bougainville being employed as intermediary. Meanwhile in 1765 Commodore Byron had taken possession on the part of England on the ground of prior discovery, and had formed a settlement at Port Egmont on the small island of Saunders. The Spanish and English settlers remained in ignorance, real or assumed, of each other's presence until 1769-1770, when Byron's action was nearly the cause of a war between England and Spain, both countries having armed fleets to contest the barren sovereignty. In 1771, however, Spain yielded the islands to Great Britain by convention. As they had not been actually colonized by England, the republic of Buenos Aires claimed the group in 1820, and subsequently entered into a dispute with the United States of America concerning the rights to the products of these islands. On the representations of Great Britain the Buenos Aireans withdrew, and the British flag was once more hoisted at Port Louis in 1833, and since that time the Falkland Islands have been a regular British colony.
- A flawed online version is at http://3.1911encyclopedia.org/F/FA/FALKLAND_ISLANDS.htm
- Joe Kress 19:04, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
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- Men, this is everything but serious, starting with the "Republic of Buenos Aires", which never existed. When the islands were invaded by the UK in 1833, Buenos Aires was then leading _province_ of the Argentine Confederation (Confederación argentina), under Juan Manuel de Rosas.
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- Argentina, and not Buenos Aires, had sent people to the islands, who were living there, and they were invaded and expelled by the English, so your definition doesn't sounds like NPOV.
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[edit] POV
I'm very sad to see that there's just POV in the English Wikipedia :(. The article affirms that Argentina set in the 1820s a penal colony, olimpically ignoring the non-penal settlement, under Governor Juan Vernet, when a group of people were taken to the islands in order to colonize them.
[edit] Source for corrected Byron date
Found the date I used to correct the date for Byron at this site: [1]
– Dennis (talk) (Wiki NYC Meetup)[[]] 21:54, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Plaque
Where is that plaque now? Somebody has a photo? --84.42.146.44 15:11, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- I doubt it exists now. I can't find any record of it. Astrotrain 21:21, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
- In 1780 the plaque was removed and sent to Buenos Aires. During the British invasions of the Río de la Plata (1806-7) it was recovered but never reached the UK. See [2], footnote #63 (in Spanish). Ejrrjs | What? 23:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
Oh, there says that when the Spaniards left in 1811, they left a plaque too. Any information about the whereabouts of that one? --84.42.146.44 01:31, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Important information
The 1833 invasion of the Falkland Islands article states:
After the possession of these miserable islands had been contested by France, Spain, and England, they were left uninhabited. The government of Buenos Aires then sold them to a private individual, but likewise used them, as old Spain had done before, for a penal settlement. England claimed her right and seized them. The Englishman who was left in charge of the flag was consequently murdered. A British officer was next sent, unsupported by any power: and when we arrived, we found him in charge of a population, of which rather more than half were runaway rebels and murderers. (The Voyage of the Beagle.)
If this is true, maybe the Argentine government renounced sovereignty with that sale and the Falklands are really British, but the Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands article also says:
Great Britain abandoned their settlement in 1774, and formally renounced sovereignty in the Nootka Sound Convention.
So apparently the Falklands are neither Argentine nor British. Is this correct?
[edit] Unblock main article
The main article MUST be unblocked NOW! The claim of "consensus" is a LIE. There is none, merely a capitulation. This is unacceptable. As if this were not bad enough even the talk page had been blocked. ENOUGH!!!!
[edit] Timeline
In 1816 the Argentine independence was claimed not gained; there was an independence war ahead, as a result of which the national territory was to be formed.
The Argentine settlement was established in 1826. Apcbg 21:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
