Talk:History of male circumcision

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This article is largely a repository for material removed from the main Circumcision article (where its purpose was argumentative) to help bring that article closer to NPOV. Tverbeek 13:00, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Indeed. As such the content of this dumping ground cannot be considered anything other than that: "The neutrality and factual accuracy of this article are disputed." - Robert Brookes 06:28, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Should be merged 2 Also Disputed 3 Disputed 4 Should be merged 5 Disputed 6 No merge 7 Hopelessly incomplete 8 Propaganda link? 9 "Intact" vs. "Uncircumcised"

[edit] Should be merged

This article needs to go back into Circumcision, there is no reason to put this section in its own article, except to hide it. Rhobite 23:02, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

• Nonsense. There can be a link on the circumcision article for those who are interested. It needs to be remembered that the junk in this article needs to be seriously cleaned up. - Robert Brookes 21:20, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Please point out the "junk" in this article, or merge it back with circumcision. Rhobite 22:26, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Also Disputed

Abu Hurairah is a despitued source, he has been known to have accompanined Muhammad for only three years and yet has produced a large number of Hadith's, in the neighberhood of 5,000, far more than any other companion of the prophet of Islam. His account is usually anti-women and dogs, all kidding aside, even his name in Arabic: ابو هريره means father of a kitten and it is argued that he was therefore partial against dogs. He is also mentioned as a thief and an embezzler. As a quotable source he is popular, in my opinion due to the large number of hadiths he claims to have witnessed, yet again, he only knew the prophet for 3 yrs. Again, he is popular to quote yet discredited by some, or many for that matter, myself included. --The Brain 09:30, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed

This article is largely a repository for material removed from the main Circumcision article (where its purpose was argumentative) to help bring that article closer to NPOV. Tverbeek 13:00, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Indeed. As such the content of this dumping ground cannot be considered anything other than that: "The neutrality and factual accuracy of this article are disputed." - Robert Brookes 06:28, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Should be merged

This article needs to go back into Circumcision, there is no reason to put this section in its own article, except to hide it. Rhobite 23:02, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)

• Nonsense. There can be a link on the circumcision article for those who are interested. It needs to be remembered that the junk in this article needs to be seriously cleaned up. - Robert Brookes 21:20, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
  • Please point out the "junk" in this article, or merge it back with circumcision. Rhobite 22:26, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed

The sources of this article is from anti-circumcision web sites. It is POV. It is selective in what it includes. It is not the edits to it which need to be justified but the inclusion of such POV junk in the first place. - Robert Brookes 00:39, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Robert, please read this. In particular, note

The neutral point of view policy is easily misunderstood. The policy doesn't assume that it's possible to write an article from just a single unbiased, "objective" point of view. The policy says that we should fairly represent all sides of a dispute, and not make an article state, imply, or insinuate that any one side is correct.

—Ashley Y 08:37, 2005 Jan 16 (UTC)

This article is now in merged form and it is much more comprehensive. It should be very NPOV because of the many viewpoints expressed. Robert Blair 12:00, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This article has a strong anti-circumcision bias. See the references. It should be flagged as such. 24.84.40.22 18:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No merge

This article is interesting, but long, and in many ways unrelated to the main article. Don't merge it back. --L33tminion | (talk) 02:03, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hopelessly incomplete

This article contains no discussion at all of the anthropology of circumcision, or its practice among many African, Australian, and Papuan groups. A history of circumcision that starts with ancient Egypt is scarcely adequate; we can be fairly confident that Australian Aborigines did not get the idea there! - Mustafaa 05:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Propaganda link?

On the Circumstitions website there is a map of the United States which shows those states that do and don't fund infant circumcisions under Medicaid. I provided a link to this map because it gives a clear picture of which states do and don't fund infant circumcisions under Medicaid. Jake Waskett removed the link as a 'propaganda link'.

While I can understand that Jake might take that view of the web page, I see things differently. The website, of course, is against circumcision, but the map is very clear and informative, getting the information across in a particularly striking and attractive way. I think that the readers of Wikipedia are quite grown up enough to take what they want from this website, and to discard the rest. They don't need a nanny edit.

Perhaps the following wording will suffice to warn the poor unsuspecting reader that they might be exposed to blush propaganda!

See the map on this anti-circumcision website [1]. Michael Glass 13:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

As an alternative, why not just give a link to the map itself? I don't object to the map, just the crackpot propagandist conspiracy theories. - Jakew 14:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Sounds OK to me! Michael Glass 07:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Intact" vs. "Uncircumcised"

Incorrect use of Language? Yes, there certainly is! I don't feel that the choice of words is an issue of political correctitude, but rather a question of accuracy. Using the term "uncircumcised" to describe an intact, natural, normal penis perpetuates the typically American, myopic misconception that a penis with its foreskin surgically amputated is natural or normal, when the exact opposite is true. "Uncircumcised" clearly implies to the reader that the surgically altered penis is medically normal. Would one call a man with both arms a non-amputee? In countries where genital mutilation is uncommon, or even illegal, a circumcised or "cut" penis is unquestionably viewed as abnormal and unnatural. I think it all depends on how one wishes to see himself.--MrEguy 10:24, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

This is being discussed at Talk:Penis#"Intact" vs. "Uncircumcised".—Chidom ^talk  19:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)