Talk:History of computer hardware in Soviet Bloc countries

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[edit] Sources

Some sources for Polish section:

Matusz

German section:

[edit] Phrasing in the title

The Soviet bloc? How about Eastern Europe, Warsaw Pact or something? Zocky 22:34, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Pochemu nyet? There is an Eastern Europe redirect, BTW.

Charles Matthews 22:40, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I moved it to Eastern Europe and someone move dit back, hence the redirect. Secretlondon 22:56, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)

  1. I don't know if the name is proper, please remember to rename links if you move the article.
  2. I haven't done much search or research into this subject, please forgive me if the info is biased or incorrect.

Matusz 22:30, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

"Eastern Europe" is just geographical, though. This article specifically concerns a time period as well as a place. "Warsaw Pact" omits Yugoslavia, which may or may not matter here. Salsa Shark 22:47, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Yes, but Soviet bloc is, at best, a former informal name for countries of the Warsaw Pact. It's like calling the article History of computing behind the iron curtain. Eastern Europe, IMO, say enough, and including Yugoslavia here would be very appropriate. We had many of the same problems. Zocky 22:50, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
How about other communist countries like China and Cuba? they surely are not in Europe. Will they get their own articles on the subject? Matusz 22:53, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I suppose it all depends on whether you want to focus on the region or the political environment. If the latter, I do admit 'Soviet bloc' sounds a bit cold-warrish to me, and 'communist Europe' or 'communist countries' might work better. Salsa Shark 23:06, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I prefer communist countries. Secretlondon 23:07, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)
Make it communist countries then, just rename all links also. Matusz 23:20, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I moved it and fixed the links. Secretlondon 16:32, Dec 15, 2003 (UTC)
It is fairly clearly a Cold War story, though, given the export restrictions imposed at the time. Charles Matthews 15:50, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I don't think communist states, is a right name, exUSSR and it's allies were officialy recognized as socialist states.

[edit] Title and content

Well, I am only two years late for this thread, but nevertheless..."Communist countries" here does indeed seem to talk about the USSR and allies otherwise members of Comecon and/or Warsaw Pact. However, Yugoslavia was a communist country that was not a member of either nor was a USSR ally, but it had some very interesting development of its own. I don't know the entire history myself, but many systems existed - Galaksija, CER (photo), Iskra Delta Partner and 800, Orao, Pecom 32/64, Lola 8, Galeb 101, Tim 011 and probably more.


Is it that the name of the article isn't correct as it does not account for China, Cuba, etc. or that it deals with just Comecon? Maybe we should rename and expand the article or make it an introduction and break away pieces into sub-articles?

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 15:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Anybody here interested in helping solve this issue? Here are the things that need to be fixed (some exclude others):

  1. Article can be renamed to reflect its content (must be careful to include all relevant countries):
    1. "History of computer hardware in USSR" (implies only one country)
    2. "History of computer hardware in Warsaw Pact countries" (implies military)
    3. "History of computer hardware in Comecon countries" (implies trade agreement, possibly too many countries)
    4. "History of computer hardware in Soviet Bloc countries" (probably the best, my favourite)
    5. Something else - please suggest.
  2. If article is renamed, a new article of current name is created not as a redirect but as a starting point to all relevant sub-articles.
  3. Article is not renamed but content is updated:
    1. Introduction must be essentially rewritten. Sentence "Since Communist party propaganda maintained..." needs to be changed to state that such thing did not appear in all Communist countries (e.g. SFRY). Where was this applicable? Same thing applies to the following sentence - metric inches. SFRY did have its own computers but also legally imported those from the West. On the other hand, SFRY did have strict import limitation laws.
    2. A section on SFRY can then be added. A number of articles already exist: CER-10, CER-20, Galaksija, but there are more to be added. See my planned articles.
    3. Perhaps the article can then be further structured, i.e. to separate Soviet block from the other countries, etc. if need arises.

Please comment. If noone oposes I will proceed to rename this article and do related changes as per above.

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 21:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Noone seemed interested ... renamed the article from "History of computer hardware in communist countries" to "History of computer hardware in Soviet Bloc countries", adjusted the content slightly and, re-linked links that really relate directly to this article.

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 17:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Overview missing

I think we need someone who has an overview. I've added a little about Robotron, but I've no idea how to verify if the Polish ones were the first, or not. I suspect POV but it may be true. Secretlondon 22:56, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)

Internet says that Odra 1203 was built in 1963 and manufacturing started in 1964. I was not able to track any Robotron computers earlier than 1977. Maybe deeper search is needed. Matusz 23:18, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I've found one - an R 100 (1963) from [1] Secretlondon 23:26, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)
same page: PRL - 1960, same year Odra 1001 was designed. Matusz 23:39, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
We should probably check to see if they were different computers - and not just badged differently. Secretlondon 23:42, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)

OPREMA computer produced by Carl Zeiss Jena VEB in 1954. ZRA 1 (also from Carl Zeiss Jena) 1956. 1963 R100 (Robotron) From [[2]. This source claims that the GDR's first computer was the OPREMA. Secretlondon 15:42, Dec 15, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Poland

Odra

[edit] GDR

Robotron R100 1963 Carl Zeiss Jena 1954 OPREMA, ZRA1 1956

[edit] Hungary

Videoton - 1970 production working with Bull and DataProducts

[edit] USSR

I first read about Strela in IEEE Spectrum in the 1970s. Ancheta Wis 06:04, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

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