Talk:History of beer

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[edit] Notability criteria discusion document

A discussion document has been opened up. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Notability Criteria. Please put in your views either on the main page or on the attached talk page. If we want to list every brewery on the planet then I feel we should get some valid criteria behind us. SilkTork 16:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Include portion in Homebrewing article?

Right now, the history section of the Homebrewing article is in serious need of more information. As the history of beer is a superset of the history of homebrewing, how about adding a summary portion and one of those "click here for full article" deals on the homebrewing article? pACMANx 19:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carbonation

When was beer first carbonated? Surely this is critical to the history of beer. ~MDD4696 03:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

(Beyond the natural carbonation from the fermentation). ~MDD4696 03:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beer in Ancient Languages and Scripts

I would be nice to have beer written in ancient languages (cuneiform, egyptian hieroglyphs), and an approximate spelling of these words. Albmont 10:53, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Contradiction Regarding Yeast

The article states that the "Worshipful Company of Brewers" mentioned yeast as an acceptable ingredient, yet the "Reinheitsgebot" (which came some years later) does not--and for good reason: yeast was scientifically unknown until several hundred years later. Of course brewers would have realized that spontaneous fermentation was occurring, but were they aware that this process was due to wild yeasts? There was certainly no controlled use of selected yeast strains at the time (in this respect, all beer was what we would today call "lambic"). I've found another mention of this supposed edict:

"Brewers in England complained to the Mayor of London about hops and noted that there was 'a deceivable and unholesome fete in bruying of ale within the said citee nowe of late [that] is founde in puttyng of hoppes and other things in the said ale, contrary to the good and holesome manner of bruynge of Ale of old tyme used. . . . Pleas it therfore your saide good lordshyppe to forbid the putting into ale of any hops, herbs, or other like thing, but only licour, malte, and yeste.'"[1]

The above link cites "Arnold. Origin and History of Beer and Brewing, page 375" as a source of the ancient quote. The question becomes, how accurate are Arnold's sources? --SwillNoMore 13:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)