Talk:History of baseball in the United States

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Just wondering. Did the New York Knickerbockers wear knickers? Was that the origin of baseball's knickers? Ortolan88

Good question. Spalding's Americas National Game suggests so, saying "There is no photo of the players of that team on field, but one almost unconciously uniforms them..." Not compelling. The place to look, I'd guess is Bill James' wife's sections of the Historical Baseball Abstract. I'll have a look when I get home... -- User:GWO
OK, I've checked, and the answer is no. The Knickerbockers wore normal trousers, and their name derives from the fact that "Knickerbocker" was a generic term for New Yorkers, particularly those of Dutch descent. Kudos to Susie James... -- User:GWO

Thanks. Good to know that. Of course "knickers" are named after the kind of funny looking trousers the real Dutch Knickerbockers wore, but that would have nothing to do with the baseball team. Ortolan88

There's lots to be said about uniforms.

  • Requirements in the rules, all alike, no flapping sleeves for pitchers
  • Player discretion, Ted Williams tore off sleeves, how low can knickers go (Manny Ramirez practically covers his shoes!)
  • History -- home and away, multi-colors, multi-uniforms (Pirates).

Probably an article, but I don't know any of this stuff. Ortolan88

The James' Historical Prospectus would be an excellent source of info here, too -- User:GWO

Gareth, saw your comment for your last edit. Maybe you could even split it into more articles, since the first part only seems to go about the MLB, except for the introduction. Anyway, it's very US-centered, so the "History of Baseball" would rather link to sub-articles on "History of MLB" and "History of Baseball at the Olympics" etc. Jeronimo

Yeah. Thats pretty much what I had in mind. -- User:GWO

Nice additions, seemingly-at-Berkeley editing person -- User:GWO

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Except for the first section, the article is more the history of baseball in the US (mostly MLB). I think at least a section could be devoted to development of the sport in other countries. It's quite popular in Japan and Korea, there's a long history of baseball in Europe as well (Italy and the Netherlands the dominant powers there) and in many Latin American countries (Cuba!). What about the World Championships for amateur teams, the inclusion in the Olympics? jheijmans

You're right. What are you waiting for? -- User:GWO

Well, the rest of the article looks like it was written by people with far greater knowledge of baseball than I have. I could write some very basic paragraphs about the topic mentioned above (which I might do), but I hoped to trigger the experts to do so. jheijmans

Mainly User:RjLesch and myself. But my "expertise" doesn't touch on the areas you mention, so theres no point leaving it to me. If you write your basic paragraphs, you might trigger the actual experts

OK, I've gone and added the Olympic history of baseball (that's where I know most of), will add more later (see subsections already added). Feel free to add or re-organise, of course. jheijmans

Paragraphs from Baseball origins can be incoporated here kt2 02:47, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)

There is a link toward the end of the section on "professionalism..." that sends "Minneapolis" to "New York Yankees". The New York Yankees article claims no association with Minneapolis that I can discern. Thoughts? Chicago 20:47, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)

When exactly did Baseball bcome a national game? There is a lot of information on its history, but I cannot find anything regarding the year it was recognized as a national game...

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[edit] Bambino?

I presume that's "the Babe," but the title appears only in the heading, and a person who didn't know or couldn't infer that might wonder what it means. 170.35.224.63 21:32, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The earliest known reference to the game of baseball in America.

The reference to baseball is contained in a 1791 Pittsfield, Massachusetts bylaw, which states, “For the preservation of the Windows of the New Meeting House…no Person or Inhabitant of said town, shall be permitted to play at any game called Wicket, Cricket, Base Ball, Football, Cat, Fives or any other game or games with balls, within the Distance of Eighty Yards from said Meeting House.”


More here: http://www.iberkshires.com/story.php?story_id=14343


Wasn't there something uncovered recently about a competitive game in what is now Greenwich Village, that predated the Hoboken game? I'll look for a link. --Chancemichaels 18:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels


[edit] neutral?

this page seems pretty biased to me, especially in talking about the modern times, i think it needs to be rewritten so its not as biased against steroids and how "terrible" baseball is supposed to be right now

Pinky 18:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

A new article, Major League Baseball Lore, has been created which is well-intended but appears to be 100% original research. If anything can be gleaned from it, please do before someone brings it to AFD. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Original research? Just because there are no references, doesn't mean the research wasn't done. Information has been brought in from various wikipedia articles, as well as outside sources, videos, TV specials, and other moments. As I said, it is a work in progress, and no, I haven't gotten to cite references yet. If you wish, I can do some when I return from school this afternoon.
In this article, there is a lot of history, but there is no concentrated collection of famous baseball moments, such as the NFL has on this same Wikipedia. Hopefully, we can flesh out the article, as I have been trying to do, and, when that is done, there will be much more than can be merged in here without making the article too long.
Right now, baseball lore is a category, a loose confederation of articles, which is even missing some big moments. What I'm hoping to do here is bring it all together in an easily readable and accessable form. -- Silent Wind of Doom 11:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Two problems:
  1. We already have an article for baseball lore — it's History of baseball in the United States. Your new one looks quite good at first glance anyway and you're welcome to merge it into this one but there's no point having two articles on the same subject. If you'd like specific moments in here, that seems acceptable to me as long as they're sourced.
  2. When articles like these are unsourced, they become a magnet for people to add whatever they feel like. E.g., Yankees fans adding a paragraph or two every time the Yankees sweep the Red Sox or beat them in the bottom of the 9th. Or that great game they saw when they were a kid and Goose Gossage struck out Reggie Jackson on a fastball, etc., etc., etc. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
—Wknight94 (talk) 13:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silas “Si” Simmons

Is there a mention of him in baseball related article? The guy is still alive and will turn 111 next month. Vapour

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