Talk:History of Bavaria

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This good history needs bolded subsections to make it more readable. Could someone with better competence than I do this? Wetman 14:04, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The discussion on the origin of the Bavarians should be worked out more in detail, compare on de:Bajuwaren. I personally find it more likely that the Celtic section was more than just "possibly" and "small", not to mention Slavic et al.

I agree with the above poster that the origins section needs to be worked on. The theories of Bohemian origin are flawed, both in their use of the archaeological evidence and in their attempt at a linguistic derivation of Baiovarii from Baiahaim (=Bohemia), so I'll remove those sentences or tone them down. The German version is much more balanced. I'll also remove the bibliographic references from the 19th (!) century.

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Is there any relationship between Eurasian Avars and their ruler "Bayan" that were forced out from Pannonia?

"Avars were driven westward when the Gokturks defeated the Hephthalites in the 550s and the 560s. They entered Europe in the sixth century and, having been bought off by the Eastern Emperor Justinian I, pushed north into Germany (as Attila the Hun had done a century before).

Finding the country unsuited to their nomadic lifestyle (and the Franks stern opponents), they turned their attention to the Pannonian plain, which was then being contested by two Germanic tribes, the Lombards and the Gepids. Siding with the Lombards, they destroyed the Gepids in 567 and established a state in the Danube River area. Their harassment soon (ca. 568) forced the Lombards into northern Italy, a migration that marked the last Germanic migration in the Migrations Period. The Avar leader from c. 565 to c. 600 was called Bayan."

That theory can't be taken seriously. Fulcher 07:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Why is here always stated that Charles Theodor was forced to retire ? This is not true ! gogafax