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Could someone review the section on the Hindu tradition in ethics? It might better be called Indian tradition since Moghul/Muslim emperors, Jains, etc., and other traditions had much influence, and also since Mohandas Gandhi is so prominent as an ethicists - not everyone thinks he's a Hindu.

Right now that page is protected so talk:ethics is a good place to propose rewrites of that section. Thanks.

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Also, the primary article title should be Hindu philosophy, without a capital "P". This is not a proper noun. The most prominent book by that name can be at Hindu Philosophy, and if there is no consensus, then, it must be a redirect here or at Hindu Philosophy (book). Thanks.

Contents 1 Siddhanta? 2 Copy-edit 3 Tantra 4 athiestic darshans 5 copyediting

[edit] Siddhanta?

I'm trying to work out in my mind where Shaiva Siddhanta tradition fits in with the other strands of Hindu philosophy. Can this be addressed? QuartierLatin1968 21:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copy-edit

The problem isn't syntax, etc., but tone and style; the article is full of material like: "The philosophical and theological diversity of Hinduism is limitless, being nurtured by the fundamentally eclectic and liberal universalism that is its defining characteristic." It needs to be rewritten in prose that's less purple. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 12:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

My only personal objection to the above-cited sentence was its term "limitless", which does seem hyperbolic. Otherwise, though, the sentence appears to me to offer a fairly precise, and concise, summary of its declared topic: one of the best I've ever come across, in fact. So, how about the following instead:

"The great diversity in the thought and practice of Hinduism is nurtured by the fundamentally eclectic and liberal universalism of its underlying philosophies."

And if there other specific phrases which offend "tone & style" in the same manner, how about listing them here, both so they might be dealt with one-by-one and so others might get a better sense of the style you'd like to see yourself? It seems wise to me, however, to retain the general tone & style of the article as-originally-written, insofar as we can: it appears to have been composed originally by someone her/himself Hindu, and most probably Indian -- and the flavor, of that particular linguistic tone & style of English, to me seems more suitable for this sort of article than would be some form of editor-supplied Westernized / Anglicized prose.

The latter, at its most-dry, is unable to convey the sort of concepts involved in a topic such as "Hindu philosophy", for one thing. And authorial intent generally is better-captured by the original than by editors, for another.

--Kessler 17:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

My concern is that the style is wilfully obscure — the worst kind of pseudo-academic writing, full of pointless polysyllables. If clear communication is the aim, the language should be simplified and made more direct. (The content of the sentence is also dubious, in fact.) --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this last statement. Structurally, the article seems fine to me. However, a lot of the material sounds snowy — words like magic carpets, floating on nothing but air. Cheers, --MILH 18:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I copy-edited quite a bit here and reordered the schools of thought so that they matched with the text. (For example, we read about the "Yoga offshoot" and the next school mentioned is Yoga.) Where these in any particular order before - importance or something? Also, I noticed that the Mimamsa article is cut-pasted into this one - if Mimamsa won't be expanded it should probably be deleted. --will 00:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Also (again): any thoughts on making the six schools their own Level 2 headlines? Right now it's as if the article has the same topic for the title and a heading which seems redundant. --will 00:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm just going to do it and if someone hates it please revert. --will 03:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tantra

I'm surprised tantra isn't covered here. It certainly is an important part of many a Hindu tradition and should not be omitted. I'm probably not the best person to write it, but I hope somebody will. --Snowgrouse 02:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Snowgrouse, you are right. As a hindu from india i see this article as a propaganda of hindu fundamentalists such as RSS(similar to kkk), BJP, VHP. Probably their texts have been lifted & pasted here. For a critical review of hinduism see this http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/

--Anirudh777 10:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I am tired of your endless nonsense (RSS compared to KKK!). Go find yourself a publication of KKK (if any) and compare it with the literature of RSS. This b.s. of equating a Hindu organisation with KKK is nothing but slandering. Wikipedia is not a propaganda site for jobless people like you.--Babub | Talk 15:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, it will be a worthwhile effort for you to figure out who funds http://www.ambedkar.org/ and http://www.dalitstan.org/. deeptrivia (talk) 16:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] athiestic darshans

why there is no mention of Nastik darshans. i can claim myself an athiest and still be a hindu. if nobody else has a prob. can i add a article or two about athiestic darshans like charvak. nids 21:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

No, wikipedia is not for professing individual beliefs. If you are a Hindu then that's fine, but you need not write about your beliefs here. Anyway, this article is about the shad-darshana (which itself includes the atheistic Samkhya and Mimamsa}, but Charvaka as well as Jainism are covered under Indian philosophy.--^Babub→Talk 00:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

see, charvaka and jainism are under athiestic darshans of hinduism and are wrongly just listed under indian philosophy. i know about hindu philosophy because my mom is a Ph.D. in Sanskrit on the topic of Shad darshan and i still have a copy of her thiesis. i m goin to add that part here myself, but just waitin for any suggestions or objections. nids 19:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is specifically about Shad-darshan: Samkhya, Yoga, Vaisheshika, Nyaya, Mimamsa and Vedanta. Add material about these darshans here. About Charvaka and Jaina darshans, you can add in their respective articles.--^Babub→Talk 05:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] copyediting

I will be editing this article off and on today, so my apologies if this causes any edit conflicts. I usually do one aspect of grammar, style, format, etc. at a time for the whole document.Shawn Fitzgibbons 19:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have edited the article up to Advaita, and I'm done for the day. I will continue tomorrow.Shawn Fitzgibbons 22:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I have reverted some of the recent changes because I felt statments such as "Yoga practitioners are not in agreement on whether Brahman has a personal attribute" are too one-sided in their approach for the reader (it is subtle but still it is apparent) - In order to give an equal playing field to advaita and dvaita schools of thought. Ys, Gouranga(UK) 12:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm ok with minor changes, but try not to hack it to death or impose POV on it.Shawn Fitzgibbons 13:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I've tried to make this article as consistent as possible with articles it links to in wikipedia. If you absolutely must make changes to the content of the article, please try to find references to support your contention. I'm also glad to discuss any philosophical opinions you may have on my talk page.SFinside 14:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

In Acintya: Singularity is an innapropriate word in this context. The philosophy does not go as far as stating that the individual soul and God exist as a single entity. Also to use Brahman as the only descriptive word for the Supreme being is not strictly in accordance to NPOV - that is why I do not agree with the recent changes. Other viewpoints are given as 'possible theories' only. Also many words are not wiki-linked. It is just the yoga and acintya sections where I see this being an issue. Ys, Gouranga(UK) 12:29, 27 November 2006 (UTC)