Talk:Hindko language
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Lahnda was actually the name of the collective Indo-Aryan vernaculars and dialects of speech in the northern punjab, southern Punjab, NWFP, and the Pothowar. It was an umbrella term for Siraiki, what is today known as Punjabi(actually Lahori), Majhi, Hindko,Pothowari etc. Just like today's Urdu, Urdu e mualla, Hindi, Dakini etc. are considered linguistically the derivatives of the same language substratum often referred to as Hindustani.In other words Lahnda would be the sort of pre-quaternary phase of Sanskrit. However, as is the nature of culture & ethnic dynamics, these langauges are associated with different politics, cultures, geographical areas and consequently peoples and linguistic uniqueness. Omerlives.
Hidko is basically Hindiki . According to Greirson Hindki is a dialect of Lahanda ,which is now called Siraiki .
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[edit] shades of gray
I would liken Hindko to Mazandarani in Iran since it is considered to be the least changed of the Sassanian speech as compared to modern day Persian and Tajiki. Its affinity to Pashto is due to its proximity to the area. Hindko forms the extreme border of the Indo-Aryan speech before over lapping into the sister Iranain groups. Like wise Pashto is the only Iranian langauge showing affinty to Indo-Aryan group in the area of phonetics but also in borrowed morphology. This again is due to Pashto's overlap and proximity to the Indo-Aryan group.
[edit] hindko ethnic group page
what do people think?
[edit] Nice page
---Great job with the page. I learned alot about the language.. my family speaks this language and we're Pashtun so it was nice to learn more.
[edit] Event
"The Gandhara Hindko Board has published the first dictionary of the language and its launching ceremony will be held on March 16, 2003."
that event has already taken place, maybe you could talk about what was established during this event. Teardrops
[edit] intermingling with punjabis?
Great work. I appreciate it. Wanted to add more, I have seen family trees of Pathans who are these days Hindko speaking, and some of the families never intermingled with Punjabis. Interesting. Seems like after migration, the Language of the area does come into play.
[edit] pahari/hindko similarities
"This language is very similar to the Mirpuri dialect of potohari and both Hindko and Mirpuri speakers can understand each other very well"
This is quite strange, one would expect Hindko to be very similar to Potohari which is spoken in Islamabad and Rawalpindi which border Attock, in addition to this I believe Attock is in the Potohar Plateau. The term Mirpuri is actually derogative, it's a term which has been coined in the UK, Pahari is the actual term. What is interesting is that Mirpur in Azad Kashmir is roughly about 80 miles from Gourghusti to the south east bordering Indian Occupied Kashmir. Whereas Islamabad and Rawalpindi are sandwiched between the two, the latter two being closer to Attock.
Through out Azad Kashmir places such as Poonch and Kotli which are to the North, the dialects spoken are very similar to Pahari/Mirpuri with slight differences.
But what is interesting to note is that "Due to geographical changes and pahari peoples divisions, along different rulers and religions, it has assumed different names such as Hindko,Pothwari,Kahagani,Chibahali,punchi,kanghri and the new phenomena in Britain Mirpuri"
Go to this URL for more info: http://www.krrc.org/content/view/403/106/
Right, I think I better get to the point, my point is that you've probably come across the term that so and so is a Punjabi dialect, denoting that Punjabi is the mother language. Just to make it sincerely clear, I am NOT in anyway undermining the Punjabi language. Could Hindko be the mother language? And thus, Punjabi and all other related dialects branch off Hindko? One has to agree with the fact that Hindko is a pretty OLD language and a rich one too.
By the way I'm not a linguest so I may just be talking a load of gibberish, although this does substantiate my theory if you like: Pothohari displays some characteristics which indicate that it is in fact older than Panjabi, disputing the idea that it is a dialect of Panjabi. source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potwari
By the way do you have a source about Pahari/Mirpuri speakers being able to understand Hindko speakers?
