Talk:Higgsless model
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[edit] Proposed merge
This article should probably be merged with Heim theory, and then modified to give a less biased account more appropriate to an encyclopedia. CH 21:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC) 02:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- This should happen a.s.a.p., so that we can write about serious theories like this.Count Iblis 21:47, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. In addition a statement "Heim theory has not been studied extensively" would be less biased. 206.208.110.32 21:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- This is an absurd state of affairs. If/when someone shows up who wants to write about real higgs-less theories, then all mention of heim theory should be deleted from this article. linas 21:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
this article needs a rewrite. Higgless is susceptiple of two interpretations. A. Heim Theory (HT) does not have the Higgs Boson or B. HT does not need the HT to account for mass. It is the latter meaning that is true. HT has an independent mass creation mechanism other than the Higgs boson so it therefore Higgsless. This does not mean that the Higgs boson cannot exist within the parameters of HT. In fact, there is a scenario in which the metron lattice vibrations can account for gravitaional mass and the Higgs boson for inertial mass. Since this article has not had much activity, I will proceed to make the changes. Take Care!--Will314159 17:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
the following is not proposed for inclusion in the article but strictly FYI. from the Physorg forum. " Droscher, with Hauser, has found some indication that it might be present after all. Its mass was calculated using two different methods with essentially the same result. So this preliminary work indicates that its mass should be about twice the Z0 boson. A gravitophoton pair should be present in the corresponding Feynman diagram. This preliminary mass range involved is thus 182.7 +- 0.6 GeV. " Take Care!--Will314159 18:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
I strongly oppose a merge with Heim theory. There are some widely-accepted mainstream non-Higgs models, such as technicolour, which I'll add. There should be no merge because in widely-accepted mainstream physics, Heim theory would not be considered worth mentioning as a part of Higgsless models. Rotiro 21:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I made a bunch of changes and re-arranged things a bit. Shouldn't this article be a particle physics stub? Isn't there a lot that could be added under category #1 to make this a valuable mainstream physics article? I don't know why there was, or why there should be, an emphasis on category #2 and Heim theory. Rotiro 22:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV Warning
This article is not about HEIM THEORY. It is about Higgsless theories. HT right now has gotten the main attention. But LQG theory also has a mass creation mechanism. That may be a consequence of all background dependent spacetime quantization theories. Anway the POV warning is directed at HEIM. So put the warning about HEIM in the body just like on the Heim theory article where it was removed by consensus. So hopefully this will satisfy everybody and we can quit playing tag.--Will314159 01:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Citation
One source for citation "Heim theory has many similarities with loop quantum gravity" would be the IAAA paper of Jochen Häuser. Although that may be a bit narrow centered.Slicky 05:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
