User talk:Hibana

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1 Reliable secondary sources?
2 Yo!
3 Hi there
4 Nice work!
5 Ryan Avery
6 Babel Tags
7 Final Fantasy VII
8 Threeway editing
9 Final Fantasy V
10 What's that? A star in the corner of CT?!
11 Hm
12 FFV
13 Next FA: Template:Final Fantasy series!!1one
14 Final Fantasy V
15 FFV Advance new info.
16 Final Fantasy V Advance Site Open!
17 Final Fantasy IV
18 Re:double-spacing
19 Bad faith with Disgaea characters article.
20 Thanks for that; separate request!
21 Your list IS worthwhile despite what some deletionists would say
22 RE: Metal Gear Solid 3
23 Starting a New WikiProject?
24 FFVIa Sources
25 Image tagging for Image:Mmx8box.jpg
26 Image tagging for Image:Rm8_fr.PNG
27 Image tagging for Image:Rm8_se.PNG
28 Image tagging for Image:Rm8_sw.PNG
29 Image tagging for Image:Rm8_te.PNG
30 Image tagging for Image:SuperAdventureRockman.jpg

[edit] Reliable secondary sources?

I was checking out the failed FA nomination page for Final Fantasy IV (I haven't worked on the page myself), and Gnetwerker's post stood out most in my mind. According to him, Donkey Kong (arcade game) is the ideal video game article given its inclusion of reliable secondary (essentially, print) sources. While Donkey Kong is indeed a nice article (my favorite part is how graphical limitations created the Mario we know and love today), I think we're at a loss for nearly every other video game, including Final Fantasy games. Print sources are just plain difficult to come by; a thorough search of Amazon.com only gives various strategy guides (they have potential, like Final Fantasy X's strategy guide, which interviews game producers in the back pages) and "The Making of Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within." Privately, I think that most IGN staff editors or GameSpy article writers know more than Mia Consalvo in "Hot Dates and Fairy-tale Romances" (Video Game Theory Reader) anyways. But Donkey Kong's article still manages to come through as genuine, without the cloaking of pseudo-scholarly video game books. None of these will mention Final Fantasy games, since they're such a small part of mainstream video game history, so we're forced to rely on strategy guides, instruction manuals, and VG magazine publications for our print sources. Basically, I just wanted to know your thoughts on this, because I'm always looking to better the Final Fantasy articles, particularly in the eyes of those who have disdain for such articles as "unencyclopediac." Thanks! --Tristam 14:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd appreciate it if you brought it up on the main talk page; I'm not really sure where the most ideal and visible place for it would be. The problem is that these sources (like the doctoral thesis) are so few and far between. Somebody linked a Google Scholar search for "Final Fantasy IV," which brought up five English results, only one of which I thought was good material. I learned, however, that The Ultimate History of Video Games actually has some mention of Sakaguchi and Final Fantasy, but I'm pretty sure it isn't more than in passing. It'd still be worth contacting an owner of the book for that specific text. Thanks! --Tristam 18:10, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yo!

VI and VIII are now FAs! Thanks for your help! ^_^ Ryu Kaze 16:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Though that's probably stretching it a bit. XD Ryu Kaze 22:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi there

Hi there. I'm planning on soloing Final Fantasy IX with Tristam's foundation copy, but I could always use some help once the next draft is done :) — Deckill e r 02:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Funny thing is this: I'm actually replaying it after we pushed it to FA status :) — Deckill e r 03:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice work!

I've added Final Fantasy games to my watchlist and noticed you done some work to them. I like how you've fixed up stuff in my favourite series in wikipedia. Keep up the good work! (post in my talk page if you like!) cocopopz2005

[edit] Ryan Avery

Because of your edits on the Kimya Dawson article, I was hoping you would look at this article on her friend and fellow performer Ryan Avery, and lend your comments on the corresponding AfD. Thanks! PT ^(s-s-s-s) 23:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Babel Tags

I didn't know how to get them into my page, so i copied from yours but i gave credit :D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cocopopz2005)

cocopopz2005

[edit] Final Fantasy VII

Thanks, Hibana. I was actually looking into that very issue, as we certainly don't need an entire section devoted to the PC version. I was thinking of doing something similar with what we did for Final Fantasy VIII's PC version. I just need to see if there's really much notable information to say about it and make sure I have the appropriate references. This also reminded me that I forgot to ever put refs on the PC info for VIII, so I need to fix that too. And refs for the SGI demo on Final Fantasy VI. One thing leads to two others. :( Ryu Kaze 19:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think this is going to be my last one, Hibana. I'm already feeling burned out and I've only taken care of one section. Ryu Kaze 19:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate that. Ryu Kaze 19:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the concern, but now that I've gotten started I'd be more frustrated if I left the job half done. That's the problem with me beginning something. 99.9% of things probably get ignored by me, but that .1% that gets my attention really gets my attention. Though, lately, it's more like 10% of things getting my attention, I admit. I really have been spreading myself a bit thin, but after Final Fantasy VII is done, I'm done. I've got to get back to work in a couple of weeks anyway, so I should hopefully be done by then anyway. Ryu Kaze 01:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I teach at a high school, now officially as a regular rather than just a sub. The vacation's just about over for both of us, huh? Ryu Kaze 01:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Threeway editing

Glad to see that we have a three-pronged attack here. Final Fantasy IX still needs a lot of work, and I don't plan on doing it all in one day like Ryu (Retail sucks) :-P — Deckill e r 05:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think he's trying to prove something? Lol. Seriously, I don't know why he's going so crazy. — Deckill e r 05:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, he's getting worse than me, and I've been told that I'm too obsessed :-D — Deckill e r 06:32, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy V

I was thinking if we created a development section, we could note Amanos art, and on that website there are many concept art images that he created. :) Judgesurreal777 16:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's that? A star in the corner of CT?!

Yep, it's FA now. ^_^ I'm not surprised, though. It had Zeality, you, me, Deckiller, CS... if it hadn't passed — no, there's no "if it hadn't passed" scenario. It couldn't have done anything but pass. Great work. Ryu Kaze 14:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hm

You know, I've never noticed that the page said "player character" instead of "playable character". Wow. By the way, got the Series thing fixed in the infobox. Throw a couple of '' between the series title and the word "series" itself. Ryu Kaze 00:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I hate that term "player character". It's grammatically incorrect :) — Deckill e r 00:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I personally like the novelty value of it (oldschool and all, as Hibana mentioned), but I do have to admit that Deck's right about the grammatically incorrect nature of it. Ryu Kaze 00:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I find myself growing less fond of "old school". To me, old school involved save the princess after your village burns down-type plots. I consider 1998 to be the dawn of the "new era" of RPGs. — Deckill e r 00:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FFV

Sounds great! We are on our way, this article should be a winner :) Judgesurreal777 16:54, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Once we have fixed the story/plot/character stuff, we should be able to contact our GA reviewer for quick GA status, and then start building it toward FA :) Judgesurreal777 21:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering what that state loaded thing was....as for the french stuff, is that a problem? That was the only one I could find.....I'll try to find another... :) Judgesurreal777 01:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote the character section to be like Final Fantasy VI, and it seems that the plot section is very much like FF6's, minus the references to the games dialogue. Is that what they want for it to be in compliance with the guideline? Judgesurreal777 01:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll look around for that along with 2 new images to replace the other ones. :) We're doing great! Judgesurreal777 01:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Does the article need a map? And is the french job system a problem? Just wondering :) Take care! Judgesurreal777 04:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok cool, I just noticed several maps on the internet, wondered if we needed one. And I put the text to the game in the TO DO box for ya Judgesurreal777 15:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Next FA: Template:Final Fantasy series!!1one

Nice one. XD Thanks a lot. As always, I appreciate your tech and moral support. It was nice having you in the cheering section again. Ryu Kaze 02:37, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Final Fantasy V

Yeah, this one is pretty short on details. It's probably partly because the game is one of the least popular in the series, and partly because it's only been a few years since it saw an authorized release outside of Japan (with media coverage, even then, consisting mainly of talking about how long the wait had been or gushing over the game's battle system). I imagine there's information in Japanese somewhere that would tell you all you'd want to know, but I don't have any idea where to start looking for that, except for maybe this (which I don't own — I honestly don't even know what it talks about).

I'm sorry I can't really be more help on this one. Maybe with the upcoming GBA rerelease we'll see more discussion on the development of the original in the media. Until then, I can only suggest using anything you've got. Sorry again that I can't offer more. Good luck. Ryu Kaze 17:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FFV Advance new info.

I was the one who edited the FFV page. Here is the confirmation of the info of 4 new classes and the 30 floor dungeon. http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/276/picture075vb1.jpg Sorry for the trouble. I'll also try to find a better pic, once I get the issue itself. This pic is from Nintendo Power Vol. 208 October 2006.

[edit] Final Fantasy V Advance Site Open!

The Japanese site is now open, the info from it that I have received is that the Bare job from the original has been renamed as Freelancer. I have no idea if it will stay like this in the translation though.

[edit] Final Fantasy IV

As long as we aren't over reliant on the article, we should be fine. Sir Crazyswordsman 00:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why you want to use the GBA quotes. If you want to change them, go right ahead. I personally think the SNES quotes are fine, and since I wrote that section AND added all the references, you can understand my not wanting to go back and change it. Sir Crazyswordsman 01:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Nope. That's the official Ted Woolsey translation there. Got it off GameFAQs. Sir Crazyswordsman 02:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:double-spacing

Nope, I don't know of any browsers that it shows up on. I was actually removing the double-spacings (I think they make the editing process annoying) until I noticed that the entire article has been changed to be like that, and I didn't feel like going through to remove all of the double spaces at the moment, so I just reverted the ones I'd removed. I might go back and change it later, though. What do you think? Ryu Kaze 17:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

It's fine, no problem. I would have commented too if I'd thought somebody was adding them. I really don't see the point in it since it doesn't show up, and in my experience, that whole double spacing at the end of sentences thing is for teaching kindergartners to make it obvious when they're beginning a new sentence. After I add the video game cite template (like Zeality just added to Chrono Trigger) to our high quality pages, I'm going to go through Final Fantasy VIII and get rid of those double spaces. Ryu Kaze 17:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Hm. I must not have noticed when that happened (or maybe I was already at 3 reverts for that day). Oh well. They'll be gone before the day's over. Ryu Kaze 17:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bad faith with Disgaea characters article.

Do not make AfDs to make a point.
While there is reason for the article to exist now (what with two games, a manga and an anime), there originally was a game and an anime.
You're AfDing a single character list because I AfDed the lot of the FFVI character articles. Not only is it bad to make a point, it's bad to make a bad point. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for that; separate request!

I was curious if you were interested in joining an effort to both remove far-too-crufty CVG articles, but preserving CVG articles which deserve to exist. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your list IS worthwhile despite what some deletionists would say

The list (List_of_X-Play_characters) you created is/was up for deletion. I want you to know there is a place for it: http://wikitistics.com . No one will be able to nominate it for deletion because it fits one simple rule: it's a statistic, list, or figure. Some people think these websites should encompass the same scope of a paper book- we don't. Apologies if this note is directed at the wrong person. Good luck with your endeavors! Joe 00:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Metal Gear Solid 3

I dunno, I never really saw the need to take it to GA status when a few weeks later it was going to be promoted to FA. And I agree, the article at present is definitely A-class, so I, or someone else, could probably change that sometime. My intention right from the outset was to take it to FA status, and apart from a few minor issues it's ready for an FAC. Ideally this FAC will happen before Sunday. -- Steel 10:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Starting a New WikiProject?

Hi Hibana,

I'm not positive, but aren't you the head of the FFWikiProject? I was toying with the idea of starting a WikiProject Dragon Quest, given the deplorable state of the articles (with hopes of creating at least one shining example - preferably with Dragon Quest/Warrior I - to set the standards). Is it OK for just anyone to start these projects, and do you know how I would go about doing it? Thanks! --Tristam 00:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Hibana - when you can, please see the latest discussion over the possibility of a WikiProject Square Enix on the WikiProject Final Fantasy discussion page. It looks like a consensus could easily be reached with such glowing support already. :) --Tristam 15:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FFVIa Sources

Hi Hibana,

I'd just like to apologize for not adding ^{[citation needed]} tags. The only source I had was this magazine scan [1]

It also talks about a new dungeon added a lá Dawn of Souls and FFIVa, however this one requires 3 seperate parties to actually get through it.

Apologies again. If I am able to get an official reference i'll add it immediatley.

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