Template talk:Herbs & spices

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[edit] Scope

Can I perhaps suggest that this template be in fact limited to herbs, spices, and seasonings and not attempt to include "condiments", which is even harder to define than the other categories? At the moment, I have to confess that it appears to be a rather random assortment of foods. Cucumber? Tomato? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:28, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. And it is far too large, dominating most of the pages it occupies (and has been placed too high up many of them, above references, instead of at the bottom where it should be). Split up into several smaller templates, if they are necessary at all. - MPF 11:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I also agree. Including condiments in herbs and spices makes it almost synonymous with food. I can't think of anything right off that you can't put on a pizza or sandwich. I am in favor of just deleting the condiments section. If someone wants to create a condiments template, that is a different matter, but I still think it would be too big to be useful. -- WormRunner 15:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Per this discussion, I have removed the condiments section of the table. I would suggest if someone feels the need for a condiments template, that it should be a separate page. -- WormRunner 01:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I added parsley because it seems common enough to be included. Also, I removed BBQ sauce and Worcestershire sauce because they are condiments, and it seems consensus is not to include them. Revert if I'm wrong. --Ed (Edgar181) 17:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the elimination of the condiments. I added chipotle to the chart, under spices. -Rangermike 01:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Breakdown

How are things being divided between "Seasonings", and "Herbs and Spices"? It seems rather arbitrary right now, since cinnamon is a spice. I consider seasonings as materials that are not normally used as flavouring, such as onion powder (usually the food), are not plant products, such as vinigar or salt, or are very heavily refined products, such as vanilla extract, where as Herbs and Spices are simple plant products that are usually used exclusively as flavouring agents, usually just dried, and maybe ground. (Herbs being the leaves of a plant and Spices coming from other parts of the plant) Just my thoughts. --Nekura 18:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I think we should make it "Herbs, Spices and Other Seasonings" where only the heavily refined ingredients are classed as other seasonings, because herbs and spices really are types of seasonings. Oh, we'll have to leave curry powder in Other Seasonings too, as it's a mixture of spices. I shall begin by moving a few spices out of the seasonings section. Nick 17:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seasonings section

... It looks like a hopeless catch-all to me. If it can include lemon and curry powder, there are probably on the order of 300 or more other flavoring ingredients that could go in there too. (See for example Category:Herb and spice mixtures and Category:Sweeteners.) I'm proposing to eliminate that section and leave just herbs and spices; who's with me? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I've done it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)