Category talk:Heretics

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I don't think that every heretic must be considered a criminal. --webkid 09:16, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You are right, but there are many people who have been persecuted because their religious beliefs differ from those of the church which controls the state apparatus. I initially created this category for such people. Heretics isn't a perfect name for it, as there are people who are fairly described as heretics who did not suffer state persecution, but I think there is a sufficient overlap to justify including this category in the parent category of criminals.-gadfium 21:20, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't we distinguish, in subcategories, heretics against Roman Catholicism, Sunni Islam, Orthodox Judaism, etc.? And I notice this is under criminals, which seems the wrong place to put it. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:31, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)

Credit for my April 26, 2005 additions to this category go to the Heretic in Good Company T-shirt. It's my inspiration to continue expanding this category. mennonot 18:23, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] opinion added to article

This text you are adding is your opinion and not a historical view of how heretic was defined.

Therefore, we look to the one standard of faith; the scriptures. If the scriptures judge a man to be a heretic then we ought to let him be anathema; lest by the grace of God he repents but until he repents he is to remain anathema.

Let's try not to bring one faith into an encyclopedic discussion. Because you don't agree with historical definitions of heretic does not mean that they were not labelled such in history. You cannot undo the past. - Tεxτurε 20:00, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How to proceed?

Now, that this category survived CfD, what should be done about it? Use specifically for heretics as defined by the roman catholic church or for heretics as defined by any church or religous community? --Pjacobi 15:57, 2005 May 6 (UTC)

• Seems to me like it should get subcategories for the people who have been considered heretics by various institutions that have a concept of heresy. The Roman Catholic Church would certainly be the most prominent example. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:39, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

OK:

Category:Heretics of the old church

For those declared heretics before the Council of Chalcedon (or should we put the border at the Council of Ephesus?).

Category:Heretics of the one holy, apostolic, catholic and orthodox church

From Chalcedon to the great schism

Category:Heretics of the roman catholic church

Roman catholics after the great schism, note that all patriarchs of Byzanz should be classified here

Category:Heretics of the eastern orthodox church

Byzantium and successors, note that the roman catholic popes should be classified here

Suggestions for better category names?

Pjacobi 10:35, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

• Well for one thing, "Roman Catholic" is always capitalized in English. For another, I don't think it is worth listing every pope and patriarch after the Great Schism as a heretic to the other side. (You could also apply that to every bishop, probably every priest, maybe even every congregant! not very useful.) I think those categories just need a note about this on the category page. The label of "heretic" should be reserved, in this case, for those who were ideologues/heresiarchs, against whom anathemas were formally issues, etc. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:40, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

If only anybody would provide me with a research stipendium to find all these in the vatican's archives...

What about better names for the first two categories above?

Pjacobi 20:20, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

[edit] For the record

No current theologian or Christian leader will get in to that category (no matter what they do or say) because of their supporters and because of misinformed outsiders. Please see John Shelby Spong and Talk:John Shelby Spong for my reasoning. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)