Talk:Henry the Navigator
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[edit] Put in a map
put in a map of him going to asia. --Cyberman 01:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Prince Henry did not found a navigation school in Sagres. In fact, there are no historical evidences of such an institution in Sagres during the presence of Prince Henry. The School of Sagres is a later "production" from some authors Therefore, one must understand the idea of “School of Sagres”, not in the physical and institutional sense, but as a to have the idea for it.
The recent Peter Russell book Prince Henry the Navigator: A Life
presents good historical evidence that Henry was indeed instrumental in the conquest of Ceuta, and not simply part of the "operation".
[edit] Biography Collaboration of the Week
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Gameiro 00:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Typo cant fix
I recently noticed while looking at the article that there is a mispelling under the House of Aviz box to the right of the screen. And being that im new to wikipedia I dont know how to fix it the error is something like Navigaotr as opposed to Navigator. Just trying to let someone know..
- Typo corrected. Thanks. By the way, welcome to Wikipedia. You can read this to learn more about it. Joaopais 21:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Asia etc.
Henry had no idea of going to what we know as Asia. If you read Russell, and I fear most here have not, it is clear that references at the time to "the Indies" (which is what has given people the idea he wanted to go to Asia) was understood by him to be further south in Africa. Hence the only useful map would be one of the bulge of Africa.
[edit] Homosexuality
I think the mention of homosexuality should be removed, or posed as an hypothesis. It is based on a single article, that (apparently) has never been submitted to a peer reviewed journal. Also, the objective of the article seems more of a political nature than of scientific one. pibizza 16:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Can I assume there is consensus in removing the reference to Henry homosexuality ? pibizza 10:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. In fact, I am quite surprised by the tone of this article. While I don't dispute any of what is said, as I haven't read those last two books added to the bibliography, one gets the notion this article was written to change people's views on the person and not as an encyclopedia entry. By reading the article, I mostly got the the idea Henry, the Navigator was i) into enslaving; ii) greedy; iii) gay. Were it not for previous readings on this subject, this is what I would retain. I mean, this guy promoted the exploration of half the West African coast and ultimately he was among the people who were most responsible for the 1400s age of discoveries. Furthermore, I had never heard of such accounts on Henry's life. The user responsible for these edits (85.241.31.250) single contribution besides the ones in this article was made under the Sebastian_of_Portugal entry, where he claimed i) the king "contracted gonorrhea at age ten, most likely through sexual abuse by his tutor and confessor"; ii) that he died of said sexual diesase and not in the Alcacer Qibir battle in North Africa where he was last seen; iii) that he was gay. He bases his changes on one of the articles he added here. Perhaps this article should be reverted to its previous form until someone with further knowledge on the field should check these... it's an entire article based on two single books that present new and apparently very disputed theories.
- I agree, this article is lacking NPOV, and makes many questionable claims. Homosexuality is the least of it, while I neither know nor care whether Enrique was gay, mocking the self proclaimed celibacy of the Grandmaster of a monastic military order the Order of Christ (Portugal). and the attribution of ONLY the basest motives for his life's work seem very biased. Would I be wrong to request a NPOV tag at the least. Catholic Encyclopedia entry is far superior in almost every way to this current entry. Moheroy 10:43, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Agree, a NPOV tag would seem in place. I don't care if he was gay or not either, I just feel the theory is presented in a far too proeminent and inadequate fashion. And the homosexuality question, as you say, is the least the current article. 20 September 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with a NPOV tag. pibizza 08:49, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] cruzado
Cruzado link and definition looks incorrect.--Filll 16:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Its incredible.... lies lies lies.... amazing... at least my country wasn't conquered in single invasion... ;) do you believe in what you all right??? Prince Henry was gay, Alexander was gay, Aquiles was gay, julius Cesar too? speak's the country that "invented" gays's everybody is gay except Elton John, and Prince Charles.
