Talk:Hemiptera

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I think that this article could do with a complete rewrite. It is very messy and unclear for non-specialists, and the structure isn't appropriate. Here is what I propose:

  • The sections should be something like "morphology", "feeding behaviour", "diversity", "taxonomy", etc., not just a list of suborders, that can be done (and is done) just as well in the taxobox.
  • In accordance with this, the emphasis should be less on the taxonomy (of very little interest to most readers), and more on the critters themselves (what do they look like? what is their behaviour and ecology like? What is their economical importance?)
  • The article also needs REFERENCES, as always. IronChris | (talk) 21:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Every source I find seems to differ on these. Some give Hemiptera and Homoptera as two orders. Some say the "true bugs" label is applied to Heteroptera, some to all of Hemiptera. We need an expert to clear this up! -- Tarquin 10:55 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Almost two years on, and still confusion: Are Hemiptera Endopterigota or Hemipterodea? If the former, then the taxobox in insects is wrong. If the latter, the one in Scale insect is wrong. In any case, there should probably be an entry for the superorder in the taxobox here. Sebastian 09:10, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)

[edit] So, you'd like it cleared up?

If that sentiment is sincere, I'll go ahead and try to get this all straightened out (I'm a taxonomist, working on Fulgoroidea at the moment), but be aware that the use of the name "Heteroptera" only persists among non-Linnaean classifications (i.e., classifications where clades are given names, but there are no ranks). The reason it can't be used should be clear from the conflict on the present incarnation of the Hemiptera article: you can't have a Suborder that ends in "-ptera", as that is the accepted ending for the Linnaean rank of Order. So, while you'll still see some resources using "Heteroptera", you'll note that they are generally in rankless schemes, such as the Tree of Life website (TOL Heteroptera). The traditional ending for Suborder names within the hemipteroids is "-rrhyncha", and the one used by many Hemipterists lately is "Prosorrhyncha" (proposed in 1995). You can Google it to see that has been accepted and it is still in use (e.g., Auchenorrhyncha website). I'll make a note of this on the page that the link "Heteroptera" takes you to, as well. It isn't going to be popular, but it is authoritative.Dyanega 00:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and made nearly all the necessary changes aside from swapping "Prosorrhyncha" for "Heteroptera" on all the lower-ranked pages. I'll note that whoever did the original species tallies for the suuborders, the numbers don't add up: 25,000 + 33,000 + 12,500 = 70,500, which is 3,000 more than the total of 67,500 given. I'll see if I can track down the real numbers, and move those figures to the respective suborder pages. Dyanega 22:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC) these bugs are scary

What's the scientific basis (or just convention) for restricting the term "bug" to this order? Basically, who declared it that way, when, and why? It would be nice to have such an explanation in the article.--4.236.30.238 18:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was Do Not Move. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

hemiptera to bug. Then move bug to bug (disambiguation). Arthropod is at arthropod, not arthropoda, animal is at animal, not animalia. This article should similarly be at bug, not hemiptera as these animals are the true bugs. Gossy45 23:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Support per reasons I have stated above. Gossy45 00:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Voortle 10:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article would have to be at true bug, not just bug. When most people talk about "bugs", they are not restricting it to the Order Hemiptera (e.g. A Bug's Life). Hemiptera is much the best title, because it is entirely unambiguous. --Stemonitis 10:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, per Stemonitis. Most people's understanding of the category insects called "bugs" is polyphyletic. (See also: Moreton Bay bug...) True bug would be acceptable, but I prefer the current name. -- Eugène van der Pijll 11:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. While true bug could be used, a better precedent is set with Orthoptera, which like this order covers a variety of common names. Mangoe 12:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Stemonitis. Duja 09:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] possible rewrite

i am just an amateur entomologist and arachnologist, still a student, and therefore feel uneqipped to take on the challenge of rewriting this article myself. however, i do agree with the proposed changes and the need for a different structure to the article, and if there are folks who feel capable of heading a rewrite, i would be glad to contribute my limited knowledge and help out whenever possible. asibikaashi 22:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

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