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Contents 1 DJ 2 Fall River, Massachusetts 3 Jassy26 4 edit summary 5 Huh? 6 Your user page vandalised 7 Ta mate 8 odd.,. 9 Why did you remove my site from the eq2 wiki page? 10 Hello 11 HuH??? 12 Henri Ghéon 13 my RfA 14 Vandalism 15 why were additions removed on TEA 16 Random Vandalism 17 Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense. 18 Fair use of image 19 Revertion of edits by VP2 to Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge 20 VP2 21 Portal:British Rail 22 Nonsense warning 23 RfA thanks 24 VP2 snafu 25 malcom x vandalism 26 Dead End Pages 27 RfA thanks 28 Elish Angiolini 29 Thanks for your input 30 Explaination of Deletion 31 Dalbury's RfA 32 Basketball court 33 List of Registered Historic Places in Multnomah County, Oregon 34 WP:COUCH 35 Titles 36 Funniest edit summary ever 37 Linking to You Tube 38 Seleucid Empire 38.1 Reply 39 Wagin, Western Australia 40 "Vandalism" warning 41 RfA thanks 42 Thanks for your support! 43 Thank you! 44 Country names 45 Edit summary 46 XPLANE 47 Wrong person 48 Vandal Proof Warning 49 U arw a douchbag 50 And now for something completely different... 51 Douche 52 Singing LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LAH 53 Harriet Tubman 54 Re: User talk:84.255.150.150 55 User talk:66.99.59.222 56 Mickie James 57 Smith & Wesson reverted... why? 58 Transnsitria 59 Vandalism of Economy of Kazakhstan 60 Atatürk 61 Thanks 62 VandalSniper 63 Thanks 64 Copyright 65 Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-18 Singapore Changi Airport 66 Jewish Encyclopedia 67 Children's literature 68 Apology 69 SORRY! 70 Sig Suggestion 71 Wow, you're getting slammed at RfA 72 Thanks

[edit] DJ

Thank you for experimenting with the page Disc jockey on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 21:10, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Im very confused by this. The DJ stated is a very popular DJ in the South East of England and is growing in popularity across the country. Thanks

I'm sorry but DJ Boppin Andy simply doesn't meet the notability criteria. A quick Google search for "DJ Boppin Andy" reveals just 1 result. As and when DJ Boppin Andy becomes more notable, he can be included in Wikipedia, but at present, he's a no no. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fall River, Massachusetts

I'm confused by this revert [1]. It names what appears to be the incorrect vandal, leaves the personal info and reverts to a version by a user I don't see as having edited the page. Can you explain? Thanks. Dina 23:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a bug in VP2, it doesn't affect the revert, just sticks the wrong user name on there. Heligoland 00:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, all clear now. Since your userpage & talk were redlinked, I got further confused by the whole thing. I seem to have bugged you right in the middle of a username change. Cheers. Dina 00:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's OK, you're the first visitor to my new talk page ! - There's more info on the bug over in the Bug Report section of WP:VP2. Best Wishes Heligoland 00:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jassy26

Hi there; this user (?abuser) vandalised my userpage twice more after the time stamp on your last warning to him. I have, of course, reverted the vandalism, which naturally remains on the edit log and is both offensive and overtly threatening, at a level which would be actionable in Court if stated publicly. Your action is at your discretion, of course.--Anthony.bradbury 18:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not an administrator, but I did make User:Jassi26 aware to the moderators on the VandalProof team and straightaway they have blocked Jassi permanently [[2]]. You can ask a bureaucrat to remove the edits to your page from the history permanently though if you so desire. Best Wishes Heligoland 18:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] edit summary

Many thanks for your message. You'll see that for the first few images I tagged I used an edit summary, but after that it was just going to be too slow. I was already using copy and paste for the actual content edit, so couldn't also use it for the edit summary without having to re-copy each time instead of keeping the same text in the clipboard. Sorry for any inconvenience. Arbitrary username 20:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huh?

Why did you leave me this vandalism notice about vandalism performed by an anon IP from India? Fan-1967 17:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a bug with the VP software as per the blue box at the top of the page. Best Wishes Heligoland 17:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah. You're right. I didn't even notice the blue box. Fan-1967 17:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

well you should also re-edit articles and say it's a mistake. [3] Cheers. Amoruso 19:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing I can do - The edit you list above was a clear cut case of vandalism, the revert was totally correct, where it goes wrong is when leaving an edit summary and vandalism warning. There's no way to change edit summaries and anybody looking at the page history would see the Edit Summary is incorrect. If a vandalism warning was left on your talk page, then your totally free to remove it as it's a technical error that has resulted in it being posted on your talk page in the first place. I'm not the programmer and I don't maintain the WP:VP2 project so there is little I can do but apologise for the bug and advise you to remove the vandalism warning. Best Wishes Heligoland 19:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your user page vandalised

Just a quick note to say I've reverted vandalism to your userpage. Unfortunately the perpetrator was an AOL user so there seems little point posting on AIV or sticking a warning on the talk page. Heligoland 22:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 01:40, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting vandalism to my page too! Hu 13:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ta mate

Big smelly bum... gotta love it :) Thanks for removing that. Keep up the good work! (You've been beating me to reverts for a while now :p) riana_dzasta 14:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. Best Wishes Heligoland 14:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] odd.,.

Hi,

I can understand you removing the link to the Railroads! forums from the main Sid Meier page, but please leave it for the railroads page. These forums are one of the very few places where people can discuss the game and it is the only place where people can discuss it in a 'Sid Meier's Railroads! theme'. There is no official forum for the game and this forum is a source for technical help and user created content. Firaxis themselves are -active- participants here too. This forum is needed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.160.207.66 (talk • contribs).

Linking to discussion forums and messageboards are discouraged as per WP:EL - if you still want to add the link to the page, please discuss the link with the other editors of the article and if there is a concensus that adding a link would be beneficial, then add the link to the article. In the interim, further links to messageboards are liable for removal. Best Wishes Heligoland 13:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why did you remove my site from the eq2 wiki page?

I am the webmaster at eq2markets.com. I placed A link to my site on the everquest 2 page and within a minute or 2 it was removed? Why? the page I added it on. [4]

Please see WP:EL before adding external links. Wikipedia isn't here to serve as a free alternative to a search engine. Best Wishes Heligoland 19:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Acutally I did read through the requirements. The only requirement that I could see that was off was that I was the webmaster of the site but as you removed the link before you knew that was the case you must have had someother objection. I asked you what it was. You responded as though I am a 2 year old ( read the rules have a nice day ) I am a 41 year old man. If there is a pecific objection to the link please tell me dont make a vague statment like " you should read the rules first" . I did.

The site I run is free, isn't selling anything, and provides a unique resource. It is the only site on the web providing the information it does or at least i have not found another and I have looked long and hard to find one. I guess I thought the wikipedia was a place to provide knowledge. That is what my site does. It provides information that is top be found nowhere lese on the web, isn't covered in the artical, is based on factual informatuion, and in every other way that I can tell meets the criteria that is put forth in the EL rules. If there is a specific objection please point it out to me and that will be that, if not please add the link back in. meanwhile there are 2 links under the community site heading eq2-daily and norrath living, both of wich are fansites of the type the EL rules suggest don't really belong here. I guess i don't understand what interpretation of the rules make my site inappropriate.

I am not rying to be argumentative , I am just trying to understand the logic behingd this decision. Please respond in kind.

Sincerely Phil B (ps im a lousy typist too :)

Hi Phil. I've had a look at your website and you have adverts on the site, as far as I can see, from both the site and the way you placed the site on Wikipedia, your purely using Wikipedia to increase the number of visitors. You placed your link above other links which to me suggests a desire on your part to capture as many visitors as possible. If you are convinced the link to your website would be of benefit to users of the game and would enhance the article, discuss the addition of the URL on the talk page, take a straw poll and if there's is a good majority, say 70% or more who agree the link enhances the article, then add it. Wikipedia is under tremendous pressure when it comes to bandwidth and webspace, and whilst not ideal, there simply isn't infinite space for users to add all the links they would like. A couple of directly relevant links will be tolerated, but a dozen will not. Central directories and webrings for games such as EQ2 will be favoured over links to individual websites. If you have a look at WP:SPAM.Heligoland 21:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi, you accidently reverted the improvements I was making at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules page by using VP2. Please reply on this talk page.

There was nothing accidental about my revert to WP:IAR. I realise your probably a new editor, but to be fair, you've made 14 edits to this one page, your only activity on Wikipedia, your not logged in, your not using edit summaries to help me see what exactly your doing to the page, and to top it all, the content you've added has no references, which makes me suspicious your vandalising Wikipedia. It was for these reasons that I believe your edits were vandalism and hence why I reverted to the last good version by a well known admin. Heligoland 14:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

That is understandable, although we do not need to be logged in to contribute, and there are in fact references. I will add edit summaries to help users. My apologizes. Just give me a moment to fix it up fully.

Not a problem, I believe your not vandalising Wikipedia, please do accept my apologies for thinking that you were. Heligoland 14:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I appreicate it. I am continuing to make minor improvements but some else has reverted it, User:David_Levy. I have messaged him but I despise having to wait for him to reply before I can again work on WP:IAR. It is quite a waste of time. I was hoping you would send him a quick message just to help him understand I am only making small additionals. Thank you.

I've left a message over on David's talk page. Best Wishes Heligoland 15:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

David has not yet reply. Will you revert the article back? Again, I appreicate it. I wish to continue working.

We seem to keep crossing in the post, so to speak. The decision is now out of my hands due to the fact David is an admin and I'm not. Heligoland 15:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

"We seem to keep crossing in the post" I do not understand. Anyhow, I replied on David's page, and he still hasn't responded. If you care to, but is not necessary, you may reply to my post.

Replied on my user page.

[edit] HuH???

Quit falsely accusing me of adding nonesense to the John Kerry article. It is right on. I can't help it if Kerry went trick or treating before it got dark this Halloween!

[edit] Henri Ghéon

Thank you for experimenting with the page Henri Ghéon on Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. A link to the edit I have reverted can be found here: link. If you believe this edit should not have been reverted, please contact me. Heligoland 11:03, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lebouc"

Sorry, but I was editing Henri Ghéon both in french and in english and I had problems on its birth date and death date. 86.213.246.81 was also me though I was not registered. Consequently I was not doing sandwork but trying to be more accurate.Lebouc 16:13, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

No problems, it looked like vandalism, it's really common to find birth dates and death dates being or altered. At the moment, the date of birth is still showing up incorrectly on en and fr wikipedias. I'm changing to correct information I've found on a US Government website on the English Wikipedia. Best Wishes Heligoland 16:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] my RfA

Hi Heligoland,

Actually I don't really want to talk "in private"... a lot of side conversations would get too confusing :). I do see where you're coming from though: admins on wikipedia more often than not seem to be Admins, very much in the capitalised, boldface sort of way. On wikiversity, we call sysops "custodians", and we chose that word very carefully, because "admin" has come to mean something it really shouldn't: as a person invested with power over others, rather than a person who's given access to some extra tools to be used for helping other wikipedians.

I don't know every policy and subpolicy of wikipedia, but I do know about consensus, and am not the kind of guy who objects to being corrected. I ask to serve, not to govern, and I find it frankly horrifying that these things are confused on wikipedia. Keep an eye on my RfA... I've got a lot to say about things, but what I feel the path should be and what path I will follow aren't the same thing. Being an admin doesn't mean you can't say what you think, but it does mean using the tools the community gives to you in the way the community wants them used. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 01:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Please see [5]. Consider 3RR for user that you already reverted. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 01:30, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've reported for 3RR. Best wishes | Heligoland 15:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I'm interested why you removed the additions I just made to the page on TEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiny_Encryption_Algorithm&oldid=86083675).

One pointed to an explanation of a flaw in one of the current references; the other offers an implementation which currently is there, but only with chinese explanatory text. Both seem to me appropriate additions.

Best regards,

Pum

[edit] why were additions removed on TEA

Hi,

I'm interested why you removed the additions I just made to the page on TEA (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiny_Encryption_Algorithm&oldid=86083675).

One pointed to an explanation of a flaw in one of the current references; the other offers an implementation which currently is there, but only with chinese explanatory text. Both seem to me appropriate additions.

Best regards,

Pum

I removed the links as they simply don't load or work in the Firefox browser. Heligoland 18:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

They do under (my) FF/Ubuntu, FF/XP and IE/XP.

Anyway, cheers

Seems to be working now for me, was hanging trying to load something Page Ads from Google Syndication. A useful site too. I've no problems if you add the links back in. Heligoland 18:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Will do and cheers again --

[edit] Random Vandalism

This admin loves to suck the cack like Niel Patrick Harris —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.26.165.175 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense.

Hi. I see you left me a nice little vandalism warning template because of this edit and the subsequent 2 edits. Please take a look at the main Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense page, and familiarize yourself with the concept. It is a page that all vandal fighters should be familiar with as it is a place to copy the rare instance of vandalism that you actually think is funny. In other words, I was not vandalising it, but mearly using it for its intended purpose. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 19:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

That's the first time your Wikipedia section has cropped up. Ah well. My apologies. Heligoland 20:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use of image

Thanks for the hint...check Human rights in Iran as the images came from that article (if it is indeed improper for them to be displayed you could remove them too). See ya Claveau 07:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The images are fine in an article and they are really good photographs for illustrating the topic in question, in fact, but sadly unfree images are somewhat frowned upon in user space. Best wishes Heligoland 10:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

In that case messaging me would have been more appropriate rather than taking them off yourself: one might take offense of that in the future. Sincerely, Claveau 03:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revertion of edits by VP2 to Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge

VP2 reverted my valid edits to the above page. Probably beacuse i failed to enter edit summaries. I am reverting back thankyou.SauliH 18:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I think I reverted you because you added a large number of links to the same page. Please don't revert back in this case. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 18:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I have as there is no one page which aids the reader find the various volumes of said encyclopedia. The reader must navigate a poor search engine. These links do assist the reader and should be allowed to remain. Please do not undo my revertion.SauliH 18:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If you feel the links are unnecesary please lets have a discussion at Talk:Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, before taking further action.SauliH 19:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll reply further at the article talk page, but I will be removing the links from the article in the meantime as they fail specific Wikipedia policy and their inclusion is inappropriate until a concensus is made to break the WP:SPAM policy for this article. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 19:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

My URL's were incorrect. Please review the correction of the URL's I made at Talk:Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge. I have not yet updated as I do not want anyone to block me for WP:3RR - waiting 24hrs.SauliH 19:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VP2

Pardon me I was merely accusing the bot: VP2 as the "loose cannon", not Wizardzy, who was merely using it. I'm afraid you've mistaken me. I don't indulge in personal attacks. Idleguy 21:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

VP2 isn't a bot, it's a program directly controlled by the user, with every edit being checked by one of the VP2 program users. If something is reverted by a user using the VP2 program, it's for a very good reason. I think this is why your comment comes over as uncivil. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 21:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Apparantly he didn't/doesn't check the edits used with VP2 properly. See this as a previous problem with Beit and me over his VP2. He replied he'd stop using VP2 until the issues are resolved, but he went back to this faulty program and reverted all my edits sourced properly. I have a sneaking suspicion he is targetting me when other disinterested users have reverted his VP2 edits. btw, I think you should just take things lightly. I didn't abuse anyone or anything, but if someone did, it's ok to abuse programs and bots. Don't get emotional. I didn't attack the user and I don't indulge in uncivil comments against humans. :P

[edit] Portal:British Rail

Just to say, this should obviously be part of WikiProject UK Railways. Simply south 22:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeap, absolutly. Feel free add the portal into the project. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 22:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsense warning

Hi, Heligoland. You'll be glad to hear I reverted your warning of User:Newyorkbrad, a highly respectable user. Please take a look at what happened at Charles Edward Clark. Bishonen | talk 23:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC).

All I saw was Newyorkbrad having added back in the nonsense to the article, which is what I reverted back out. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 23:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not glad..? I quite understand that was all you saw, but what do you see now? Bishonen | talk 23:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC).

Er, Bishonen, he added in an anon's vandalism due to an edit conflict, which Heligoland reverted, nothing wrong with doing that. -- ✎ Wizardry Dragon ^{(Talk to Me) (Support Neutrality on Wikipedia)} 23:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

As indicated, this was an edit conflict mix-up (there were two anon vandalisms in a row rather than one, and my posting the test template took a little longer than usual because I tailored it to scold the law students who were vandalizing an article about a judge). Heligoland, I appreciate your attempts to keep the articles, including the dull ones I write, vandalism-free. Bishonen, I appreciate your attention to detail and concern for my Wiki-reputation. Regards, Newyorkbrad 23:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem, and I apologise for the vandalism warning ending up on your talk page when it quite clearly shouldn't have. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 23:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to Bishonen, it's gone now. But if I try an RfA someday and I see an "Oppose because of your vandalism to Charles Edward Clark," I'll be back here. :) Regards, Newyorkbrad 23:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm sure I could bring myself to support any RfA you try for. Seriously, give me a shout if you do decide as I would be happy to support you. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Image:Heligoland sigpic.png | Talk | | Contribs 23:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hi Heligoland, thanks for your participation at the recent RfA, which did not succeed. For those of you who expressed their support, your kind words and your trust are sincerely appreciated. For those who were opposed --especially those who offered their constructive criticism-- please accept this message as assurance that equally sincere efforts, aimed at enhancing the quality and accuracy of representations within the Wikipedia, will continue. Striving for improved collaboration and consensus will also continue, with all of your insights in mind, while applying NPOV ideals as fairly and reasonably as possible. Ombudsman 04:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VP2 snafu

I'm not sure what's up with your VandalProof, but I've never edited the article Penthouse (magazine). Clicking on the diff link will show that the reverted edit was made by an anon. —Celithemis 00:58, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a bug, it'll very occasionally drop a warning on the next edits editors talk page. Just delete the warning if it left one on your page. There's a newer version of VP2 on it's way which will cure the problem. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 01:04, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] malcom x vandalism

70.45.81.81 has been vandalising the malcom x page, substituting words etc especially on the assassination

Thanks for the report, but it doesn't look like the user I'm investigating at the moment. There's more details at WP:AbRep Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 01:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dead End Pages

Why did you revert[6] a routine maintenance edit? Just curious. Salad Days 18:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't have been reverted, there's a few bugs with the VP2 software that are being worked upon, anyway, I apologise for the revert and the trouble caused. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 18:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

No trouble, I was just wondering :) Salad Days 18:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Just thinking - The way I've got my touchpad setup on my laptop probably doesn't help, I can click by tapping the touchpad but occasionally it'll (read I'll) tap twice instead of once which can revert instead of moving the cursor to Not Vandalism. Once I get my desktop back up and running, I'll be cured. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you for the extra feathers on my wings! Thank you so much, Heligoland, for your support in my RfA, which passed on November 11, 2006, with a final tally of 82/0/2. I am humbled by the kind support of so many fellow Wikipedians, and I vow to continue to work and improve with the help of these new tools. Should you have any request, do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Húsönd 20:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elish Angiolini

Hi, we don't use honorific prefixes in the opening any more, so please don't add them to articles (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific prefixes. Greetings ~~ Phoe _talk 14:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC) ~~

I'm quite happy to go along with that (although the policy is somewhat misguided), as long as the full title is given prominence somewhere within the article, Ideally within the first paragraph. IIRC, that would be The Right Honourable Elish Angiolini Q.C..Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 15:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your input

Thank you for taking part in my RfA. The RfA was not successful, mostly because I did a pretty bad job of presenting myself. I'll run again sometime in the next few months, in the hopes that some will reconsider.

In the meantime, one of the projects I'm working on is A Wikimedia Administrator's Handbook. This is a wikibook how-to guide intended to help new administrators learn the ropes, as well as to simply "demystify" what adminship entails. If you are an administrator, please help out with writing it, particularly on the technical aspects of the tools. Both administrators and non-administrators are welcome to help link in and sort all of the various policies regarding the use of these tools on wikipedia in particular (as well as other projects: for example, I have almost no experience with how things work on wiktionary or wikinews). Users who are neither familiar with policy or the sysop tools could be of great help by asking questions about anything that's unclear. The goal is to get everything together in one place, with a narrative form designed to anticipate the reader's next question.

A second project, related but not entailed, is a book on wikimedia in general, with a history of how various policies evolved over time, interesting trivia (e.g., what the heck was "wikimoney" about?), and a history of how the wikimedia foundation itself came about and the larger issues that occurred during its history (such as the infamous "Spanish Fork").

Again, thanks for your input on the RfA, and thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide for the handbook. --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 13:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explaination of Deletion

Just wondering why the article (cool) shite on the tube has been proposed to be deleted by you. Please explain the reason so I can correct what you have a problem with. Thanks Razorbolt

The subject didn't appear to be notable and the article appeared to be advertising a site rather than providing a useful encyclopedic entry on the subject. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dalbury's RfA

My RfA passed with a tally of 71/1/0. Thank you very much for your support. I hope that my performance as an admin will not disappoint you. Please let me know if you see me doing anything inappropriate. -- Donald Albury 03:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Basketball court

Sorry - I was trying to revert the vandalism myself, but only got the last edit... Cheers --Pak21 16:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

When I had a look at your talk page, it became obvious you were the victim of an edit conflict. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 16:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Could I ask you to remove the warning from my page? As you say, it was an edit conflict, not an attempt to vandalise a page. Cheers --Pak21 16:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, how much vandalism has an edit summary of "m rv non-encyclopedic comment"? I'm sure there's some, but anyone doing that is playing a far more subtle game than most vandals, I'd say an edit like that is always worthy of a second look, either to check if it was an innocent mistake (as happened here), or to take slightly stronger action than a "level 1" warning. Anyway, thank you for removing the warning, all's well that ends well, and please keep up the good work vandal-fighting. Cheers --Pak21 16:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Registered Historic Places in Multnomah County, Oregon

Any special reason you reverted this edit of mine? If you need a more detailed edit summary, let me know, but also know that that would get rather tedious as I update to add dozens of recently added structures to the Oregon lists. It might be good to take a quick look at the user doing the edit before reverting. Katr67 19:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

You added a red link to the list. If you're intending to create a large list of Registered Historic Places in Multnomah, Oregon, consider creating a Category which will automatically add articles to the list when they're created. Wikipedia:Lists_in_Wikipedia provides loads of useful information on Categories v Lists. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

The whole list, which has already been created, is full of redlinks as are most of the NRHP lists. We're working as fast as we can. :) Katr67 19:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:COUCH

What the Devil do you mean? I nominated it for MfD after the first speedy was turned down! I think you should go and sit on the dirty, smelly, polka-playing side of the WP:COUCH, until you can get your facts straight! The Crying Orc 22:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL for starters. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:06, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hell, I was just applying the idea you said was too good to be deleted...are you ready to apologise for falsely accusing me of placing excessive speedy delete tags? Either that, or to back up your assertion with diffs? I am on a short fuse here on Wikipedia, and do not easily tolerate people getting ahead of themselves and throwing their weight around without the slightest scrap of evidence to support their actions. I at least take the time to check my facts before flying off the handle and telling people off. The Crying Orc 22:29, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

As the article has been deleted, we're unable to check the diffs on this one. I'm prepared to apologise in case I was incorrect and to put this to bed. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, and I likewise apologise if I went a tad overboard in proving my point about the Couch being potentially disruptive. The second and third speedies, I believe, were by the creator of the article in an effort to get the MfD discussion over with (since you were the only other person to want to keep it). The Crying Orc 22:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Why did you make this edit and mark it as minor? BhaiSaab ^talk 22:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no source for your claim and changes the tone of that sentence sufficently to require some form of citation. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:47, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

There was no source for the other claim as well. Was that not a problem? I will take your suggestion and source it soon. Thanks. BhaiSaab ^talk 22:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

It's more the tone that worries me, "some" is pretty ambigious whereas "most" does indicate a majority and that more urgently requires a reference. Just my opinion of course, but referencing is essential at the best of times but 110% necessary for disputed and difficult subjects like Islamic extremist terrorism and I felt your edit, without a source, could become disputed and cause trouble for the article. When you reference it, please feel free to revert back, I've nothing against you or the article, as I say, it was purely to prevent additional dispute of the article. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. BhaiSaab ^talk 23:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Titles

You may want to use a more descriptive title than Image:27507849 bd736cb2ab b.jpg. Unless it's just gonna be in userspace or whatever. Sorry to bug you, just saw it in recent changes. Miltopia 10:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It's only a weekly photograph for WP:BritRail, normally quite artistic and often unsuitable for an article. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 11:02, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Funniest edit summary ever

I have Newcastle United on my watchlist, and I'm still giggling about your edit summary in your revert. Lovely! Tonywalton  | Talk 12:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Could be one for WP:BJAODN Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to You Tube

Sorry about that. I didn't know of the copyright issues. Artemisboy 00:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seleucid Empire

In the rump state list of examples, I added an external link to the map of the Seleucid Empire after the rise of Parthia, only to have you remove it just minutes later. Did you actually look at the map first? No comparable map is included with the Wikipedia page on the Seleucid Empire, so shouldn't we have a link to a page that has such a map? Heff01 01:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

By the way, have patience loading the map. It is a large, high-resolution file. Heff01 01:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that I read the edit history fully, you wiped out all my HuHai link pages (for the Kushan Empire, Tibet, and China as well.) That explains why the number of links dropped significantly. The maps are worth a little wait to load. You even wiped out a whole new entry of the division of the Jin Dynasty. Heff01 01:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

Images hosted outwith Wikipedia and Wikimedia won't display. They display as plain hyperlinks. Contrast

with Image:Http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/upload/img 400/1124799872b.jpg

Both using Image tags 200px v Image:http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/upload/img_400/1124799872b.jpg

If your not intending for these images to be displayed, please use the reference tag <ref>[ImageURL]</ref> instead and gather up all references into a central location and prevent duplication. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 01:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Please find images which meet the necessary image copyright criteria and upload them to Wikipedia. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 01:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

In addition, I only edited List of rump states of your pages to remove these incorrectly formatted external images, I've not deleted or even edited any of the other articles you've listed. Please visit these pages, click on the History tab and you'll see I've not edited any of the pages you've listed above. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 01:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I did not intend to include actual map images, but rather links to them. Obviously, with hundreds of entries, we've nowhere NEAR enough space to include maps in the rump state list. Meanwhile, the Jin Dynasty's loss of its northern lands is gone and shall return. Heff01 03:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

As I've said, you'll find I've never edited Jin Dynasty, let alone deleted anything. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 10:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wagin, Western Australia

If you are au fait with Australian geography - you dont show it in your revert. Great Southern Railway (Australia) is quite different from Great Southern Railway (Western Australia) with great civility I'll set the rottweiler Australian admins I know on you if you touch it again! With best wishes, and trust you will take the time to read the two articles Great Southern Railway (Australia) and Great Southern Railway (Western Australia) and think about the impossibility of the Wagin location to actually exist on the railway company service in the article you have reverted to. To think I spend my life reverting childish vandalism and I get this. Please have a 'good day' SatuSuro 12:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC) BTW I am very impressed by your user page - I dream of going to where one of my god parents is buried - on the Isle of Lewis. SatuSuro 12:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I would have apologised for what is quite clearly an accidental reversion, but your breach of WP:CIVIL precludes that. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I have considerable problems with geographically challenged articles and editors - and at times my patience wears thin, my apologies - no offence intended.

Hey - I thought it was our friends on the north american continent who had problems understanding irony - I always thought that was why so much british humour/comedy was lost on them. I apologise, and assure you that I wish you no ill-will - and with my scottish ancestry would gladly offer you a conciliatory but metphorical drop of the good fluid. If you are still unmoved - there's a lot worse down our way - I asssure you the most unrepentant editor I have ever seen is currently active in the Indigenous Australians article talk page - I am quite bewildered as to how the admins in australia havent somehow had him put down humanely. SatuSuro 12:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Very impressed by your work with vp2 - as well - I can understand how smaller edits like mine would be very eaily picked up by the process - problem of course is obscure geographies! SatuSuro 12:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll indulge in a dram, not that I need any real excuse for a dram. Thanks for the comments on VP2. Ploughing through so much vandalism, the occasional mistake happens, usually down to an unfortunate double click which reverts vandalism on one page and then another unfortunate edit on another page, or possibly a bug with the WP:VP2 software I use. The software draws edits from a pool through an IRC channel, so VP2 generally picks up the very latest edits to Wikpedia each minute, I think a problem might occur when someone reverts between the 'diff' being sent to the bot and the page loading locally. I notice there's no vandal warning on your tslk page which makes me think this was perhaps a bug rather than a mistake, as I nearly always drop a vandalism warning on the talk page of the editor in question.

Ploughing through so many vandals work, I get my fair share of heckling, so for being a little abrupt, I apologise, as well as apologising for the reversion. Best Wishes Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Dont apologise - Its a very strong reminder to me that a slip of the key (in my response) can be quite damaging, and I must say that I repeat my apology - I think part of my unfortunate quick response has come from its watching the impasse at Indigenous Australians - some australian admins are not on at the times that some things are happening - that has brought home to me how important thought befopre typing is - and how important ant vandal work is - when you can get the stuff done... Keep up the good work - just a wee joch and doris ! my father was from the borders... SatuSuro 13:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Vandalism" warning

Why would you restore a reference to a deleted image? – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 00:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Ana Layevska -I reverted as there was grafitti added to the bottom of the page. If there's been some sort of edit conflict, please accept my apologies. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 00:29, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It's all good. Thanks for the work you've been doing on vandal patrol. :) – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 15:10, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you for the Support I'd like to express my huge thanks to you, Heligoland, for your support in my recent RfA, which closed with 100% support at 71/0/1. Needless to say, I am very suprised at the huge levels of support I've seen on my RfA, and at the fact that I only had give three answers, unlike many other nominees who have had many, many more questions! I'll be careful with my use of the tools, and invite you to tell me off if I do something wrong! Thanks, Martinp23 14:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support!

A week ago I nominated myself, hoping to be able to help Wikipedia as an administrator as much as a WikiGnome. I am very glad many others shared my thoughts, including you. Thank you for your trust! Be sure I will use these tools to protect and prevent and not to harass or punish. Should you feel I am overreacting, pat me so that I can correct myself. Thanks again for your kind words, I will try not to disappoint you! ReyBrujo 20:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Thank you very much for reverting vandalism on my userpage. That vandal was, ironically, angry because I warned him about vandalism. -- FaerieInGrey 21:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Country names

Aren't they supposed to be capital?! Nareklm 02:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry, but I'm not entirely sure what your on about ? Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

Soz, I sometimes get so engrossed in the editing that I forget to add a summary!--Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 12:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I know, it's so easy to forget an Edit Summary, I went through a period of not adding edit summaries too. If your interested, you can have Wikipedia remind you to add an Edit Summary, just go through your preferences thingy at the very top of the page, click on Editing and at the very bottom there's prompt me when I leave a blank edit summary. Also, thanks for correcting the spelling error at the top of my talk page. Keep up the good work, Best Wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 13:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] XPLANE

Regarding your vote for deletion: I reviewed the Wikipedia deletion policy and did not see "notable" as a requisite criteria for inclusion. I believe that XPLANE IS notable, however I petition you to withdraw your vote for deletion as it does not appear to be supported by the Wikipedia policy. dgray_xplane

From WP:N -

For some specific topics (i.e. people, bands, groups, clubs, companies, and websites) articles are required to assert their notability in a verifiable way that satisfies the relevant notability criteria.

XPLANE clearly doesn't assert any notability and as a result it should be deleted. If we didn't have notability criteria, any person and any company could add an entry to Wikipedia. I would ask you to consider if Encarta or Encyclopedia Britannica would consider carrying an entry on your company. Please note that it's quite unusual for new editors who have made no other contributions to the project apart from editing the article in question or the AfD page to have their vote and opinion considered in the AfD page. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 11:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong person

I never edited the Salmonella page or the lingerie page. Not sure how that would have happened. 70.131.129.135 15:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear user, Special:Contributions/70.131.129.135 says you edited both Salmonella and Lingerie. Perhaps you've been allocated a new IP address from your ISP or your using an proxy service where the same IP address is used by multiple users. To prevent this sort of thing, it would be a grand idea if you were to register an account, then you'll stop receiving warning messages not destined for you, and it will also reduce the chances of the IP address (and therefore yourself) from being blocked from editing Wikipedia, as could happen should the IP address your using vandalise Wikipedia again. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 15:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Proof Warning

I would like to think that this was in error? --Rifleman 82 20:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, [[7] looks like pretty clear vandalism to me. The Crying Orc 20:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I was rather taken aback by the vandalism warning, since I've always thought I was an editor in good standing. I checked the link and realized I had attempted to revert vandalism, but had picked the wrong version to revert to. Sorry about that. --Rifleman 82 20:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'll remove the warning, it's clear you didn't actually add the vandalism to the page, there's been some sort of edit conflict whereby you've reverted back to the vandalised version, which I've then reverted. The diffs on the page show exactly what has happened. Best wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 20:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] U arw a douchbag

It shoulnd't have been revert4ed !!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!1111 Douche! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Furbolgcheiftain123 (talk • contribs).

[edit] And now for something completely different...

[edit] Douche

Why didid youasoduigfhansiodufhnaleuryhtfjawer —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CowMan2 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Singing LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LAH

[edit] Harriet Tubman

Thanks for keeping an eye on the Harriet Tubman page. It's frequently vandalized, so it's great to have more folks watching it. Danspalding 22:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: User talk:84.255.150.150

IP 84.255.150.150 is the "Iraqi Dinar vandal) -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rafida&oldid=89458600 -- AnonMoos 15:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Heligoland--

Perhaps you can help me better understand the Wikipedia standards for external links. I've just reread the guidelines for linking, but I'm still a little confused. I see you've just removed a link I added to Jenna Bush's page, which makes me think we're doing something wrong.

I'm the editor of Who2.com, the online encyclopedia of famous people. We've been publishing online since 1998 and I think in that time we've established ourselves as one of the Web's most responsible, authoritative biographical sites. We do original research, write original bios and features, and provide links to other responsible sites.

In the past we haven't added our own links to Wikipedia because we understood that wasn't kosher -- one is not supposed to submit one's own links. However, recently I've seen widespread links for a few sites similar to ours on Wikipedia pages -- the AllMovie and AllMusic guides, the NNDB, and the IMDB, to name a few. Looking at the code it appears that these sites even have some kind of bulk-loading agreement or feature, because the links have a special format, such as 'nndb name|id=436/000025361|name=Jenna Bush'.

In the particular case of Jenna Bush, I think if one compares her NNDB page (http://www.nndb.com/people/436/000025361/) with Who2's profile of Jenna and Barbara Bush (http://www.who2.com/bushtwins.html), we provide more and better information for the casual user. We explain their order of birth, when each started and finished college, their family relationships, and so on. (It's true that we don't note that she's straight or a smoker.)

This is not to knock the NNDB, which is a fine site. But I can't believe we're being removed because the NNDB somehow has more or better information than we do.

So I'm wondering two things, I guess: Is there something about our page that made it particularly "rejectable"? And secondly, regarding the widespread pages I mentioned, does Wikipedia somehow do larger approvals of big sites like ours? If so, we'd certainly like to pursue that.

Incidentally, I also added our links to the Wikipedia pages for Jenna Bush, Laura Bush, and George Bush (the elder), in case that's inappropriate. Those are the first I've added for Who2.

Many thanks for your help!

(PS: I just noted the comment about my IP being the 'Iraqi Dinar vandal'. This doesn't mean anything to me -- I've never posted on the Iraqi dinar, or on any currency or Iraq topics.)

Hi, it's nothing personal, there are certain hard and fast rules when it comes to adding links to Wikipedia, there are no bulk uploading agreements between IMDb or other such sites and Wikipedia, merely, there is a set method for adding links to maintain consistency. I understand your confusion about one site being allowed and your site being removed, but Wikipedia isn't some sort of internet directory and we, as editors just simply can't allow everybody to add links to every article, so we do remove links on a regular basis. Indeed, we have special software that allows all editors to view links being added in real time, and myself along with others then go along and remove them as soon as possible thereafter. In short, it's due to a couple of policies at WP:NOT and WP:EL concerning Wikipedia being an internet directory, and not adding links to websites your involved with directly to articles without first asking on the talk page if your link would be (a) welcome and (b) would enhance the article.

I'd suggest speaking at the Village Pump, sort of the central hub of Wikipedia and ask if the majority of editors consider your links an enhancement to Wikipedia. If so, then you could seek the creation of a template to add links to relevant articles. I also ask editors adding links, promotional material and the like if they think Microsoft Encarta or Encyclopedia Britannica would likely include the same link in their article on the subject, and I feel if the answer if yes, then there's a great deal of merit in looking to add the link(s) to Wikipedia, but if the answer is No, then it's a clear case of unnecessary linking.

Please don't think that I don't like your websites or anything like that, I do, but I'm a pragmatist and realise there's lots of other sites as good or almost as good which could also be added to Wikipedia and for some articles, carrying links to 10 or 20 different sites, this would make External Links sections larger than the main part of the article Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 16:18, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Heligoland:

Thanks for the full explanation -- much appreciated. I certainly support the mission of Wikipedia, and understand that it doesn't exist as a directory to include every link in the world.

Your comment about Britannica and Encarta is very clear, and it's a comparison we're comfortable with. Who2's content is currently licensed and used by Information Please (www.infoplease.com, the venerable almanac owned by Pearson, the largest educational publisher in the world) and also by Answers.com. On Answers.com, Who2's biographies are actually displayed ahead of the content they license from Encyclopedia Britannica. (For example, see http://www.answers.com/george%20w.%20bush). So I feel (if I may say it humbly) that we pass that test.

It sounds like I need to take two steps going forward:

1) For starters, where I think Who2's entry could be a valuable addition to a Wikipedia page, I should post a message to the "Talk" link on that page, asking if a link to our profile would be welcome and an enhancement. An editor will then tell me to go ahead with the link (or not).

2) For the bigger picture, I can post a message at the Village Pump, introducing Who2.com to your editors and asking if they feel that in general our profiles would be an enhancement to Wikipedia. If they agree, then someone may be able to help us create a template to easily add links to relevant Who2 articles.

Does that sound about right?

Again, many thanks for your help.

Yeap, that's certainly the best way to go. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:66.99.59.222

Hi! Can you look at that page again and look at the user's contribs? You sent the user a level 1 warning a few minutes after a level 3 warning. -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 19:34, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but they had added just one letter to the article, an f right down at the very bottom, and as I didn't know when the t3 warning was left, I played it safe and left a t1 as a t4 for that one edit would have been totally inappropriate, being an IP address, it's possible it could have been a totally new user and I do try not to bite. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

If the previous warning had been yesterday, I'd agree, but it was 8 minutes earlier, so there was no question it was the same person. But he's taking a wikibreak now anyway. :-) -- Jim Douglas ^(talk) _(contribs) 19:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I just chug through recent changes with VP2, so I don't know when the most recent vandalism warning was left and therefore tend to be a little more lenient with IPs than I am with registered users. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mickie James

The only reason I included the link to her Talk page is because a few months ago, some beuracratic editors demanded that proof Mickie posed nude be provided, but the only proof contains nudity, which I don't feel would be appropriate for the main entry page, therefore I placed it in the Talk section with a link to it. However, since you demand it I'll just post the link right next to the information, and I hope you know you also just removed a whole section which unless I'm mistaken counts as vandalism, oy. Have a nice day! --CJ 22:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not censored, cite away to any legal and legitimate website you have to in order to reference your comments. Unreferenced articles can be deleted, and I don't wish to see any article deleted for the want of references. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smith & Wesson reverted... why?

I don't think I was out of line in any of them. Please explain your revert. Thernlund 11:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, WP:NOT specifically states Wikipedia IS NOT an internet directory, and these links were neither referenced correctly if you were using those three sites for reference purposes, nor were they placed in an external links section. Wikipedia is suffering from people adding over 50,000 links per week to the site and whilst one or two useful links that are of great benefit to the article and reader, multiple commercial links that do nothing but promote or advertise a service will be removed exactly in accordance with WP:NOT and the WP:SPAM policies and guidelines. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 11:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree. The links were press releases from S&W. Marketing? Yeah, I suppose. But they're also definitive as reference material. They clearly proved the wikipedia material was accurate, as a reference is supposed to do. I don't belive at any point I included marketing material in the text of the article. As well, placing these links in the external links section WOULD have been out of line. They are not for further reading. Only to prove a statement.

My other ref links were to illustrate the fact that there was a boycott among gun clubs. Again, I don't think it was out of line. They would not have done in the external links section as they are to illustrate a specific section, not more reading on the subject in general.

I also made other edits. If you had issue with a specific one, you should have change it, not them all.

Finally, I urge you to put it back the way I left it with my last edit. I won't because I don't care enough about it to go to war over it. But don't mistake that for not caring at all. I still believe I am inline with the spirit of Wikipedia, even if not the letter. I added references to an article that was tagged as needing them.

Thernlund 12:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I see you've undone the revert and even went above and beyond by cleaning it up. Much appreciated. Thernlund 12:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem at all, I really don't mind reverting my own edits and tidying up articles once you had explained why you added the links, I realised the article needed them as a reference. There's a small project I'm involved with and we really encourage the use of reference tags for links to external websites being used as references as we've got some really interesting new software that will automatically revert the type of edit I performed unless reference tags are present, at which point one of the editors or admins on the project will check the article manually. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transnsitria

please be careful, Transnistria is hyper sensitive, was we ask every edit toi be fully discussed and agreed on our talk page. Please keep involved. The intro was argeed after a long debate and outside medidation finally resolved Mark us street Nov 28th

I looked at the talk page before reverting and could see no evidence of discussion or any mediation process, coupled with the fact that talk comments were left all over the main article space, I had no option to revert to the last good version. I'm not particuarly interested in the article, just trundling along on vandal patrol and spamlink chores at the moment when I came across your edit.

I would also suggest that you should assume good faith with users and stop threatning to have any users who edit the article in a way you disagree with banned. This could breach WP:THREAT Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 14:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you seen that Mark us street (talk • contribs) is Mark street (talk • contribs) and William Mauco (talk • contribs) can you do it a CheckUser? WP:RCU? please —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.243.91.180 (talk • contribs).

There is an Edit War and all we are doing is protecting the agreed intro as in Archive 8 Section 2. Mark us street Nov 28

IP 125.243.91.180 - if you can supply evidence (4 diffs or more) that User:Mark us street is using these different accounts to breach the 3RR rule, then I'll happily place a Checkuser for you. I'm neither an admin nor an editor with checkuser privileges, so I can't act on your request directly. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 17:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Mark us street - The introduction I reverted, as I've said, had talk page comments throughout. If the introduction has been agreed, please add a statement using <!--Add your comments--> which doesn't appear in the article, but will appear in the Editing dialogue box. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 17:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism of Economy of Kazakhstan

Please refrain from vandalizing Economy of Kazakhstan. KazakhPol 22:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

If you could have a look at this diff http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_Kazakhstan&curid=16647&diff=90763058&oldid=90761826 and tell me exactly what you see. As you'll note, you made a spelling error and I, unsure if this was vandalism (I've seen it all) or a genuine spelling error just reverted without leaving a vandalism warning. You do need to think about reducing the number of external links too, or using them more as inline citations. Wikipedia isn't an internet directory. Best Wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I made a spelling error? That's your excuse? You reverted all of the work I put into that page, which was significantly more than one spelling error. If you took more than a second, and actually looked at what my changes were, you would have seen how much work I've put into this article. I dont appreciate your condescension either. I'm well aware that "Wikipedia is not an internet directory." KazakhPol 22:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm terribly sorry for actually taking an interest in other peoples work and tidying up Wikipedia as I go along. I really don't appreciate uncivil comments on my talkpage either, so I think I'll finish my response here. Best Wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atatürk

Thanks for help with the vandal on that page, but you also reverted my edits. :-( Khoikhoi 19:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the subject so please accept my apologies for undoing your good work. Best Wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

For removing that reference to my immense personal troubles from my userpage ;-) The Crying Orc 20:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem Best Wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 20:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VandalSniper

Thanks for applying to use VandalSniper! You have been approved. If have not already done so, you may find instructions to install VS on the project page.

As some of the libraries VandalSniper runs on are currently in transition, there have been a few issues reported with setup. At the moment, Linux is the most compatible platform for VS. If you have questions or problems, you may find help on the project page or its talk page. Please also feel free to contact me for help and I will do my best to assist you.

Thanks for becoming a part of one of Wikipedia's best new software tools! -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 15:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for voting on my administrator tryout.--Rat235478683--

[edit] Copyright

Please see Talk:Joshua ben Hananiah. Dfass 02:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-18 Singapore Changi Airport

Hi there. A Mediation cabal case has been opened regarding the dispute at Changi Airport. The mediators, User:Hunterd and I, would like to hear everyone's stand on the dispute. Any input is very welcome at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-18 Singapore Changi Airport#Discussion, could you please indicate your stand regarding the dispute, and why you think the names should stay/go? Thanks, – Chacor 02:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish Encyclopedia

has passed into public domain. A bunch of article here incorporate chunks of it. FYI. - crz crztalk 07:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, the text was clearly a copy and paste job, I did a Google search of the first sentence and it came up as coming from the Jewish Encyclopaedia, I went straight to the Terms of Use section to check and there is NO mention of the status of the work as being Public Domain material in their Terms of Use, further, it would appear to state that use of the material on a site such as Wikipedia is not permitted by their Terms of Use. The paragraph I found relating to use states.

You may search, retrieve, display, download, and print content from the Service solely for your personal, internal use, and shall make no other use of the content without the express written permission of JE.com and the copyright owner (or its authorized agent) of such content. You will not modify, publish, distribute, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works, or in any way exploit, any of the content, in whole or in part, found on the Service. Further, you will not engage in any systematic downloading or other activity directed towards any of the content, in whole or in part, found on the Service that would create any electronic data base or archive containing such content. However, assuming your compliance with the terms of this Agreement, you may on an occasional, infrequent basis distribute in paper form or through electronic mail single copies of individual works of content contained in the Service in connection with the uses permitted by this Agreement. You will not make any changes to any content that you are permitted to download under this Agreement, and in particular you will not delete or alter any proprietary rights or attribution notices in any content. You also will not "frame" any of the content on the Service or the Service itself without the express written permission of JE.com and the copyright owner or its authorized agent. You agree that you do not acquire any ownership rights in any downloaded content. Your further agree that all rights in the Service and any of the content found on the Service not granted to you under this Agreement are expressly reserved to JE.com and/or its licensors.

—http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/terms.jsp

Furthermore, there is not one single mention of the phrase "Public Domain" in the Terms of Use page. I do apologise for inadvertently tagging an article for deletion though. I did have a quick look through Wikipedia to see if the Jewish Encyclopaedia was in a similar situation to the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica but couldn't find anything. I ended up at the WP:CV page and there's nothing there, a list of Public Domain encyclopaedias on that page would be very useful. Anyway, as I say, I do apologise profusely for this. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 12:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That's for the current edition I think. The 1906 edition is PD. See {{JewishEncyclopedia}}. Been that way since 2004. - crz crztalk 12:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for being on top of things. I'll try not to leave articles in a partially finished state, as I did with this one. Dfass 16:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Children's literature

You have just deleted the links I have added to the Children's literature page with no explanation whatsoever. The links were all perfectly valid and helped to give the article a more worldwide perspective. These links should surely be reinstated unless you can justify why you have deleted them. Dahliarose 12:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but Wikipedia is not an internet directory, and these links were removed per WP:NOT and WP:EL. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 13:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate that Wikipedia is not an internet directory. I cannot see that the links are in contravention of the Wikipedia policies which you cite. The links I gave were mostly to original source material, all of which complements the article. You deleted the links so quickly that I cannot believe you even looked at any of the websites concerned. I have added the links to the talk page for discussion but I really feel that the majority of them should be reinstated. Dahliarose 13:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

There really is no need for 8 and 10 links on a page, they serve to confuse readers, per WP:NOT - one or two really useful external links are really all that are needed.

Mere collections of external links or Internet directories. There is nothing wrong with adding one or more useful content-relevant links to an article; however, excessive lists can dwarf articles and detract from the purpose of Wikipedia. On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite may be appropriate, marking the link as such. See Wikipedia:External links and m:When should I link externally for some guidelines.

—WP:NOT

Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 13:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The links I added are not excessive and are not in contravention of the Wikipedia guidelines. Children's literature is a huge worldwide subject and cannot be compared to minor topics with fansites. The article on literature for instance has a large number of links. Larger subjects will inevitably require more external links. I suspect you still haven't even looked at any of the links. Anyway they are now on the talk page so I will see what the other editors have to say and perhaps we can reach a consensus view. Dahliarose 13:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I've replied on Talk:Children's literature and I do hope you will understand my viewpoint. Best Wishes and Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 14:15, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand the point you are making but do you not agree that decisions about external links, especially on pages with multiple authors, are best left to the people involved in editing those pages who have knowledge of the subject matter? The editors of this page rigorously remove all unnecessary links and there is no question of the links getting out of hand. The links I proposed were not excessive. I note that you have contributed to a page on Tony Robinson where I counted no less than nine external links. If you are applying the same rules that you are applying to the children's literature page then surely these links should also be considerably reduced in number. In the case of the children's literature page it would have been much more helpful if you had either removed my links to the talk page for discussion or included a comment on the talk page to indicate that you thought there were too many links. It will be interesting to see what the other editors have to say. Dahliarose 15:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I have included a comment on the talk page indicating my reasons for removing these external links. I disagree that only those who have an interest in the page should decide on links, at times, there needs to be a detatched perspective, how does the page look to someone who hasn't spent several hours editing it, how would it look to a new user or visitor who has never looked at the page before. As I say, I would consider linking to just one or two directory projects as you'll never be able to comply with WP:NOT and provide all the links I'm sure you and other editors would like to appear in the article. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 15:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That's fine. We'll see what the consensus is. The advice of an impartial editor can sometimes be valuable but only when that editor has exercised proper editorial judgement. In this particular case you seem to have made a snap decision based purely on something highlighted by your bot. The revert was made so quickly that you clearly did not spend any time reading the article or exploring the existing and proposed new links. The implication was that I was vandalising the page which was clearly not the case. A link to the Open Directory project might well be worthwhile. We'll see what the other editors have to say.

Dahliarose 16:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I can assure you that I was in no way accusing you of vandalism (or of spamming Wikipedia for that matter) as I would have left a warning message on your userpage, I was simply using the software to remove these links, in, what I believe to be, accordance with Wikipedia policy on External Links. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 16:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Thanks Heligoland! Really no need to apologize! You're doing a necessary job! But thanks anyway. Apology accepted! Keep up the good work. Dfass 16:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SORRY!

Sorry i started writing a lot of crap about the sand fox and the slender mongoose. Just experimenting to see what would happen. I wont do it again.

[edit] Sig Suggestion

Here's a shorter code for your signature that has the same output. [8] - crz crztalk 00:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow, you're getting slammed at RfA

Some of those objections are horribly inane. I think most of the oppose voters just don't like that you haven't been editing steadily for more than two months. Try not to let it get ya down bro; hopefully you'll pass this time around, and if not, I think most of those opposte votes will evaporate by the time your next RfA comes around.

With my full support, —Lantoka ^{( talk | contrib)} 06:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I was quite surprised and pleased with the level of support, especially as much of the Support my nom has seems to be coming from existing admins which is reassuring. It's obvious it'll end in No Consensus but I'll keep it open to see if any other points other than my time editing comes up again.

I'm thinking about trying to start a Chemistry project on or around Wikipedia, trying to create versions of the existing Chemistry articles targeted more towards college/secondary school students and the general public with little or no scientific background. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 13:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the outcome at RfA. I hope you will keep up what you have been doing and try again in a few months. Please know that your work here is appreciated. Accurizer 22:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll still be here, don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I do think Wikipedia needs more admins from the rest of the world, finding an admin at 11am GMT is difficult. Keep an eye on the Village Pump. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 22:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for fixing up the userbox on my page. - Vicer 07:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)