Talk:HeavenGames
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This page was placed on Votes for Deletion in June 2004. Consensus was to keep; view discussion at /Delete.
Do you want to make a seperate Wikipedia page: List of HEavengames staff? FD2 14:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
This article is based primary on Outside Discussions, which is not the main highlight of the community (according to non-ODers). Perhaps I could also add links to other heavens...? - Simfish—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.16.83.131 (talk • contribs).
- Nah, I don't think they deserve their own articles. Instead, how about a section in the article for each Heaven? Oh, and you can sign your name with a timestamp using four tildes like this: ~~~~ which becomes... Johnleemk | Talk 08:39, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
More of the games need to be covered... - Alphax 15:39, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
I've added a few new sections on the administration (standards with each site) and the employees/staff (hierarchy) of the website. I have also rewritten a portion of the forum communities area, including the OD bit on Cannibal Island as it seemed too much detail for a small event that only lasted less than a year and was not highly popular or added to HG or OD greatly. Other sites seem to have seperate pages for a history and the subculture of each site. I'd recommend a history for the site, as its history has led to the creation of a number of other websites in the gaming community (and it would be a good addition!) Trivial information, as is present in the OD section could be put into a 'Heavengames subculture' page. I'm up for it, but I'd like to hear whether it is worthwhile to do so? Xunny 10:49, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I think the history and subculture pages would make sense, but I'm probably biased. It's quite hard to compare HG to a site on the scale of Something Awful. Johnleemk | Talk 12:33, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Corruption
Keep the article on Corruption on! We have the right to speak about Heavengames!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.114.171.135 (talk • contribs).
- Okay, I don't know WTF is going on over at HG since I'm not a Core Group or staff member, but I would tentatively keep the corruption section out of the article for now. At the very least, I am unsure about the legality of having the entire email reproduced due to copyright and privacy issues. I also think it's folly to have a corruption section without the rebuttal of the HG authorities. Furthermore, a corruption section should also make mention of the resignation of Sunny and the whole big mess that surrounded it. Johnleemk | Talk 15:42, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Just for interest...search on wiki for "Heavengames Corruption".—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.77.230.82 (talk • contribs).
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- What I gather is that HeavenGames is paid $10 000 by the developer for producing a site and getting volunteers to maintain and produce most of the content. Why do they still have a Donations page? Do they have any legitimacy in professing to employ unpaid volunteers if certain staff receive unfixed bonuses? As a fansite webmaster in a network I've never heard of "fansites" being paid for by the developer. SoggyFrog 20:37, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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- HG does and has in the past accepted pay for producing sites. However, not all of what Talon said was correct, nor at all informed. He holds a very strong POV against HG, and for that reason he had intended to overexaggerate HG policies to rile people up. The fact that this got to Wikipedia is unfortunate on the part of the forumers. While I agree with his sentiment, this latest issue is a blip on the grand scheme of things. In less than a month, it will mean nothing. HG will not change due to it. For now, I disagree with the addition of a corruption section that only focuses on Talon's email. There are so many more events surrounding corruption in HG, that it would need to be comprehensibly researched. On the otherhand, the entire HG section needs to be cleaned up. There is a large POV stance supporting the main areas of HG, without much discussion about the peripheral sites. OD, for one, may have played a substantial part in HG's history, but there is so much more that has happened that is not covered. Xunny
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Hello, I posted the article on HG corruption a few days ago. Where has it gone to if I may ask? BTW, I am Caesar89 at HG.
John Bennett—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.219.58.10 (talk • contribs).
- Uh...have you been paying attention to the discussion above? Johnleemk | Talk 14:16, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
It has been a while since I worked for HG (late 2003), but while I was there I was an Angel at Empire Earth Heaven and then moved up to Seraph of Rise of Nations Heaven. Zen is also a dear and close friend so I tended to see and hear a lot of things about the inner workings that most HG staff have no idea about, though that knowledge has waned over the years due to my departure. Now that everyone knows where I'm coming from, I can tell you all that Talon has long been a bit of an HG problem child. There were almost weekly discussions about what disciplinary action should be taken as the result of Talon's latest escapades. Flame wars, unauthorized distribution of game content, harassing forummers... Pick an offense, odds are he comitted it.
This of course begs the question of why he was kept around. For all his youthful indiscretion, the fact was that he was a dedicated and hard worker. He logged countless hours on various sites serving as a site contributor and general forum monitor. Trouble was that all this enthusiasm sometimes got the better of him and when things didn't go his way he flew into one giant temper tantrum. He'd calm down after a few days and promise to never ever do it again, so we'd let him back in hoping that he'd eventually mature. I guess he still hasn't grown up and this latest "Corruption" topic is the result of him not getting something he wanted. It's foolish. It's petty. It's.... Talon being Talon.
To adress the core question about HG being paid for their services, well that's a bit of a murky area. HG does not charge a developer for the creation of a site. What they do charge for is advertising space across their entire network of sites. So If Ensemble Studios wants to promote their latest game, they contact HG and buy the ad space. It's that simple. Can you argue that they may overpay for that ad space in relation to your run of the mill ads? The answer is yes, yes you can. But here's the kicker, purchasing Ad space does not garuantee a website will be made nor do the Halos put any sort of pressure on the staffs of each Heaven to work harder or do more becasue of said purchase. No one ever said to me "If you don't get that article written, Microsoft's gonna demand a refund". Case in point is Firefly studio's Space Colony. They purchased ad space for the game, yet no HG web site was ever put together for the game. They simply used targetted advertising to get the ad in front of people who liked their other game. Stronghold.
The people who work these sites, like myself, do it becasue we're fans. Becasue we love games and love being up on the edge of the latest in gaming and the reality is that we do get paid. Just not monetarily. We get paid in respect and esteem. People look to us for the latest information and listen carefully to what we have to say putting our opinion above the general cacaphone of the internet. We get paid in early Betas and sometimes full copies of the game after it is released. We get paid in exclusive interviews and content. Ultimately it is the glory and recognition that most of us are after. You know up front you aren't going to be getting a check for all the hard work, so to expect anything more than a pat on the back and a 'Good job' from your peers is ludicrous. If you're looking for money, shouldn't you be out learning new skills or working overtime instead of sitting around talking about video games?
- Obsidian --12.0.36.126 22:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
HeavenGames DOES get paid to do sites Obsidian. But that money goes to help expand the network, and not profit as far as I'm concerned.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.32.59.69 (talk • contribs).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't HG hosted official game forums before (such as the AoM Alpha test)? Wouldn't they naturally recieve pay from the company?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.195.228.160 (talk • contribs).
Nope. That's volunteer stuff. HG does get paid a lot by game devs though. A number of the newer HG sites have been paid for (+$10,000)... of course the devs put up ads and stuff, but HG makes quite a bit of money for creating a site if the dev agrees to pay.
[edit] Forum screenshot
That forum screenshot is awful. Can we get a better one? -- I need a name 18:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
- I uploaded a screenshot here. Would that be OK to add to the article? -- I need a name 18:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
