Talk:Heart-Shaped Box

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Contents 1 A class 2 Resource 3 Accolades 4 Embryonic ??? 5 Meaning 6 Charts 7 girl info 8 Patti Smith 9 Suicide note 10 "Treatment" vs. "Variation" 11 References

[edit] A class

Something can only be a-class if its a better than average GA. Andman8 22:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I submit that the first paragraph is nonsense - All Apologies was released well before Kurt topped himself... ? Morwen - Talk 21:02, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Resource

Can we get a resource for the original title? -- LGagnon 05:28, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

-5cott- Does anyone else think that it is strange that the article makes reference to Cobain interview from 1995, one year AFTER he died?

[edit] Accolades

I thought the following Heart-Shaped Box things would go nicely here: Accolades Rolling Stone magazine Critics Pick Singles #3 (1993) Kerrang! magazine "100 Greatest Rock Tracks Ever" #10 (1999) Kerrang! magazine "100 Greatest Singles of all Time" #32 (2002)

[edit] Embryonic ???

Why is this word 'embryonic' being used to describe the demo version of Heart-Shaped Box  ? Is it supposed to be some sort of 'pun' like the word 'embryo' to coincide with the 'In Utero' album theme of birth ?

[edit] Meaning

I think there's much more that can be said about the meaning of this song and especially the video. Mention should be made of the opening, where the three seem to be on a death watch, and the sharp contrast with the fetuses, as a birth-death dichotomy. It seems like there's much more here, as the video has a kind of cathartic effect. Who is dying at the death watch? Christ? That symbolism is there too. I might do some research and see what I can add that's not my own guessing. Then again, it may just be a bunch of random crap. --DanielCD 20:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

This song is thought to be about either the vagina of Cournty Love, or just about the vagina. Although the song does reference his relation ship his wife. Here my analisis line by line:

She eyes me like a pisics when I am weak: Reference to peom

I've been locked inside your heart-shaped box for a weak: Reference to a gift Courtny Love gave him.

I was drawn into your magnet tar pit trap: A reference to the vagina

I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn back: Beyond me

Hey, wait: Cobain's late life suffering

I got a new complaint forever in debt to your priceless abvice: Reference to peom

Meat eating orchids forgive no one just yet: Reference to the vagina

Cut myself on angel hair and babies breath: Reference to Courtny Love

Broken hymen of your highness I'm left back: Reference to a woman losing her virginity

Throw down your embilical noose so I can climb right back: Reference to peom

[edit] Charts

• According to several sites on the internet, including these: [1],[2],

[3], [4]

Nirvana's 'Heart-Shaped Box was kicked off the Australian Alternative Music Charts No.1 spot by Powderfinger's Reap What You Sow, Tranfusion EP.

Germany [[5]]

[edit] girl info

any info about that girl on the video? i mean there is info about the baby from the nevermind's cover so i think it would be intersting to know something about that girl

[edit] Patti Smith

For some reason, multiple knowledgable people have told me that this song was covered by Nirvana and was originally done by Patti Smith. Perhaps a repudiation of this myth is needed. -- 131.230.135.20

If you can't find a legit source that claims this, don't add it. -- LGagnon 04:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suicide note

One of the major POV problems with Kurt Cobain related articles is the issue of his death. It has been decided that, despite the official record being suicide, that Wikipedia hould not claim that it definitely was in his article, as that is pushing one POV that there is some evidence against. Likewise, I think this article should reword the claim that the "suicide" note was in fact such a note (see Kurt's article to understand why), if at least to keep Wikipedia's articles involving his death consistent with each other's NPOV status. -- LGagnon 19:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Treatment" vs. "Variation"

I propose changing the word "variation" back to "treatment." I believe "treatment" is the proper term in this case - sort of like "film treatment," except with a music video. A written plan for the video.

To me, "variation" has a totally different meaning, it implies a different version of the actual video.

[edit] References

CAn the people adding references actually connect them to something in the article? References should be added as part of citations, not to sit there and let the reader guess what it goes with. -- LGagnon 03:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)