Talk:Haym Solomon

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[edit] Controversy

According to the interviewing made in Can Wikipedia Ever Make the Grade? there is a controversy regarding his money being lent to the US government during the revolution war. I belive Thural investigation is in need. Lord Metroid 09:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of last name

I tend to believe this page should be on Haym Salomon instead of Solomon. DreamGuy 19:12, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

  • Let it be. It makes absolutely no difference as the spelling was interchangeable, and both "Solomon" and "Salomon" are Jewish spellings of the same name. IZAK 13:33, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, but Wikipedia policy is to go with the one the person is best known by... That seems to be the other spelling. DreamGuy 15:44, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This guy was out for a buck. Sure he did not see all the money paid back in his lifetime, it went to his kids. Duh.

Hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, the United States actually becoming a successful nation was very much in doubt. If not for the assistance of France, the luck and morality of Washington, and the foiling of the Newburgh Conspiracy, the United States would probably have never existed. For you to imply that a businessman like Solomon would consider the U.S. a way to make a buck only shows your complete ignorance of American history. American independence was about the worst possible investment in the world in the 1770's. -Kasreyn 02:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they were ever repaid. But I went to this page to ask someone to improve this article. Wikipedia is GREAT, but this article isn't. The first part is almost identical to the article in virtualogy: http://www.virtualology.com/virtualwarmuseum.com/revolutionarywarhall/HAYMSALOMON.COM/ Then there's a misspelling and poor usage on this line: "but he bribed his jailer and escaped to Philedelphia. It was during this period of incarceration where he contracted tubercolosis."

 (Philadelphia, where)

There are no personal details about him like this site has: http://www.nps.gov/revwar/about_the_revolution/haym_salomom.html And, lastly, I agree with the poster who says the main spelling of his last name should be Salomon, with a note of alternate spelling. Jane Giraldo

[edit] More on spelling

Someone has gone through and changed every instance of "Solomon" to "Salomon". Problem is, the article title is still Solomon. I personally don't care one way or the other, and don't know of any particular evidence than one or the other spelling is considered "correct". However, the article should be self-consistent.

There are two options I see: Either restore all the instances of "Salomon" (except the aka bit) to "Solomon", or rename the article "Salomon" and redirect. I'd prefer to just restore the spelling than rename the article. If no one replies in one week I'll do that. Kasreyn 00:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merger

I think such a merger is a good idea. ---Charles 03:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Below is the text from the other article.

{{merge}} Salomon, Hayim (1740-1785) was an American Revolutionary Patriot who immigrated to the United States from Poland in 1772 at the age of 32. When the Revolutionary war broke out, he sided with the revolutionaries and was imprisoned by the British in 1776. In 1778, he escaped to Philadelphia and became an agent to Robert Morris, a financier of the war. He loaned money to Morris, Jefferson, Madison, and other patriot leaders. At the time of his death, over $600,000 was still owed and not repaid. First, his son, and subseqently other family members, petitioned that it be repaid. Later, the demand for payment was abandoned, but his descendants simply requested that congress issue a commemorative metal, which was never done. A Jewish community in Chicago honored him with a park statue in 1941. Statutes in his honor have also been erected in Los Angelos and New York.

I'm going to add a redirect. --evrik 15:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review 1; Did he really lend money to the government?

According to Roy Rosenzweig at CHNM the money only passed through his accounts and the "fact" stated here is a myth. Comments? - Trevor MacInnis (Talk | Contribs) 15:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

  • That same article says that the version here corresponds to other encyclopedias. --evrik 15:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to point out the RR article :) It is an academic publication and as such more reliable then 'another encyclopedia entry', I suggest we cite him and use his version.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The source on this is the entry on Solomon in American National Biography by McManus (a professor of history at Queens College) who writes: "These brokerage arrangements, which were common at the time, later gave rise to the myth that Salomon advanced vast sums of his own money to the United States. The funds transferred to the government belonged to the government and only passed through his hands."

[edit] Peer review 2 & poor bibliography

Same peer review here, a June 2006 article from the Journal of American History which advice certainly should be heeded. It also says: "The bibliography for Haym Salomon contains only two works, both published more than fifty years ago. Of one of those books, American National Biography Online warns that it “repeats all the myths and fabrications found in earlier accounts." As dates are not given for the bibliography, they should, and this book removed, with a note left on the talk page explaining why. Tazmaniacs 17:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


This article is mentioned as containing false information in The Chronicle for Higher Education. --ScienceApologist 16:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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