Talk:Harry Potter (plot)

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It might be adviseable to simply link this page to the Plot, or to scrap the plot page and use the long summaries in the individual articles.... any thoughts?

--jonasaurus 01:58, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what exactly do you mean? This is the Plot, why would we link it to itself? Anyway, the idea to just write a general idea of the plot here and to have the long summaries in the individual articles seems good. That's why I think this page is too long and not very well devised, just because books are not equally described. --Jotomicron | talk 09:45, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


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[edit] BOOK 6 SPOILER

DO not change the link of spoiler in the section where it says who the title refers to... We can put up the real name at a time when a reasonable amount of people have actually finished the book. Perhaps two weeks time. It is too easy for people to accidentally see this. --jonasaurus 18:49, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Full plot

The extended plot summry. derived from the Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince page seems overlong for this page.IUT ha been stripped out of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince and moved to Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Full Plot Summary, having grown both after the fork with this page, and after it's move there. Might I suggest that Harry Potter (plot) become, as the plot summaries for the first two books wold imply, a second level with about 500-1000 words about each book. The book pages can retin a 100-200 word precis, and extensive blow-by-blow plot summaries have theeir own full articles like Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Full Plot Summary. Otherwise this page will be simlpy to massive to edit (especially whne Book 7 comes out)! Rich Farmbrough 18:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Is is possible to give each book a full plot summary and to eliminate this article altogether? Notice that the first two books hardly have a summary, while the other books go into great detail. This page is already almost impossible to read and to edit. In the meantime, I'm cutting those questions about Snape's loyalty. The place to question that is in Snape's article, not here, and even then it shouldn't be stuck smack in the middle of an article. SujinYH 16:18, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This page's future

I'm not involved in the project, but want to make some comments as an outsider. I really like this plot summary page, but the (excellent) plot summary for #6 now makes the earlier plot summaries look a bit lame. Furthermore, the page needs to be broken up into multiple articles by book. The above comment that this particular page only gives 50-100 word overviews (and link to the extended summaries) is excellent. I suggest a naming convention of Harry Potter Book Summaries - {Book Name}, as no doubt you'll also end up creating Harry Potter Movie Summaries - {Movie Name}. Just my thoughts Manning 04:11, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

I concur that it needs to be split up. A separate article exists for HPB6 already. All of the other books already have summaries on the pages themselves. These should either be merged with the ones here on the page itself or they should be merged into separate pages and the summaries on the main pages shortened. I question the usefulness and encyclopedic nature of such pages, however, and am considering putting the book 6 page up for VfD. James 04:57, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
I have no issue if someone wants to write plot summaries of books - it would be great if people were willing to do it for something other than Harry Potter as well, but that's wishful thinking. I think summaries on the main article of a book should be brief, and a link to a more detailed summary available. Manning 07:04, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
I think this page is fine before the sixth book. If we give a few more weeks, the summary on the sixth book should have an acceptable length and there would be no need for a split. Hmmm... this could be a nice exercise for kids in writing a summary... --Janarius 04:42, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Are you serious? Even without the Book 6 stuff, this article would be 54kb long, well over the threshold set in the article size guideline. Plus, some of the book 6 stuff would have to remain, plus book 7 whenever it comes out, making the current 100kb size pretty likely for the forseeable future. That's an absurd size. Besides that, a full plot summary for book 6 already exists elsewhere. There's no reason to have two copies of it. James 05:14, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
The way I see it, there are two possibilities for this page:
  1. Split it up into separate pages ala Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - Full Plot Summary (which seems to be gaining a consensus for delete or condense and merge with Half-Blood Prince).
  2. Merge each book's summary with the summary already in place on the books' individual pages. James 20:26, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Too early to merge

I'm wondering if the detailed description of HBP should be here yet: should it not be kept in a separate article until it becomes safe? Obviously if it is decided that this article should be split up (which I'm coming to agree with given its sheer size :-), this would become a moot point. —Phil | Talk 08:34, July 19, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Snape speculations

Is this the right place for speculations on Snape's role? Someone's done just that under Chapter 28: Flight of the Prince for the summary of book 6. Nothing to do with the plot, just speculation, could they please put it somewhere else (eg speculation on book 7)?

It's not; I've just cut it. That alone doubled the summary of that chapter. SujinYH 16:21, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] proposed split of this content into core book pages' synopsis sections

This space for rent! :) No, seriously, Jamesmusik wants these divided up, so, um, discuss! I will fix all merge-related links to point to here. Discuss away. Oh and James if you could further explain things that would be easier as I have no knowledge of Harry Potter... GarrettTalk 02:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I actually have little knowledge of Harry Potter myself, which is why I haven't gone ahead and done the merges myself. To put it simply, this page is redundant and ridiculously large. Comparable summaries already exist on each of the books' pages. There's no reason to double-up on this information, particularly if there is going to be no overarching analysis, as opposed to the blow by blow we currently have. James 02:34, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Book 6: Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

If you plan to just split all these articles (and I support this), please just delete the content for the Book 6 plot without merging, because this article is almost identical to the original 578 word synopsis that we all worked hard to pare down to about 300 words. Compare that original 578 word synopsis with what's in Harry Potter (plot) now. We even included a bunch of comments in the beginning of this section to ensure that we don't get any more "detail-oriented" edits in that section.

The plot synopsis in the article here looks like it was copied off the original 578-worder because whoever added all the details wanted some place to put it. --Deathphoenix 02:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm very impressed on the new synopsis. It is concise and suprisingly done in a short time the last time I read this article. To those who worked hard, well done!--Janarius 03:13, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I believe we should have short plot summaries (like the one currently on Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince) on Wikipedia, and one Wikibook, which I've just made, containing more detailed plots of all seven books. That Wikibook will be easy to link to from the main articles, keeping Harry Potter fans happy, and will not be in Wikipedia, keeping nonencyclopedic content removers happy. — 131.230.109.211 00:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

I think the above ideas are excellent. So, the steps would be to first mark this page for deletion, correct? Then each book's Wikipedia page's plot section will have a short bit (that still needs to be written in a concise manner, correct?) with the full synopsis pointing to the Wikibook? -Matt 01:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Also, are there other pages such as Harry_Potter_and_the_Chamber_of_Secrets_-_Full_Plot_Summary that need to be deleted to stop duplicates? -Matt 01:36, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Cleaned this page and requested deletion of the full CoS summary page. Added links to the Wikibook inside the book pages. All that has to be done is to cut down the summaries on the book pages. -Matt 20:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe this page needs to be deleted just yet. I believe we should remove all links to this article by changing [[Harry Potter (plot)]] to [[Wikibooks:Muggles' Guide To Harry Potter/Books|Harry Potter plots]] or [[Wikibooks:Muggles' Guide To Harry Potter/Books/Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone|Wikibooks plot of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'']]. Then, we should replace this article with a simple link to there for any links outside of Wikipedia. If people still want to delete this article, fine.

If Wikibooks turns out to be a bad place for the plots because it's not academic or something, I believe the Harry Potter Wikicity is open. — 131.230.133.185 06:50, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, all links need to be redirected to the new Muggles' guide. Then this page should be deleted. A link page seems to be a waste. -Matt 15:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Is it? I came here to read what was actually in those plot summaries which a lot of people have worked on and which have been officially removed for no good reason, to a temporary home on wikibooks which does not want to keep them. Sandpiper 00:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

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