User talk:HappyApple

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[edit] Advocate Request

I noticed your request for an advocate has been out there for a while. Were you still looking for one? If you are please contact me. --Wgfinley 20:49, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Peruvian Wikipedians

Hello! I thought you might interested in adding your self to the Peruvian Wikipedian's list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Peru

[edit] Perrhenic acid

Hi, nice to meet you. I'll take a look at your article once I get finished with my nitrosamines. -- Anodyne 12:15, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cenepa War POV warning

Hello! I saw you put a notice disputing the neutrality of the article on the Cenepa War without any previous talk. That's ok, I guess. I have been working on this article, trying to stick to a neutral point of view as much as I can. Since I am Ecuadorian -and hence, citizen of one of the countries involved- it would be only natural if I missed something somewhere.
Could you specify exactly to which section, paragraphs or sentences are you referring to as having an Ecuadorian point of view? Some details, counterarguments, and sources would be most welcome, so we can go on to discuss the matter.
I'd be happy to edit, reword or revise what you deem as pro-Ecuadorian points of view -since that goes against Wikipedia basic policies- but I'd need specifics first. Cheers. --Andres C. 02:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! I did some renaming on the subsections regarding the outbreak of the war. Details are in the talk page of Cenepa War. I'd like to hear what you think about it. Once we work around the issue of the POV warning, I can get back to work and finish the article. Regards, Andres C. 04:28, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. If it's ok with you, I'd like to carry the debate over to the article's talk page. Andres C. 05:41, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hey there!

Cool username :-) Just thought I'd say "hey" --HappyCamper 02:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chemistry projects

Yes, you're right, I do participate on the chemistry wikiprojects! To join, just sign your name up, and keep it on your watchlist. The participants are really nice there. For starters, check out:

1. Wikipedia:WikiProject Science
2. Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry
3. Wikipedia:WikiProject Polymers

If you have more questions, feel free to ask me! :-) --HappyCamper 03:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hwang Woo-Suk Contact

Hey Apple, thanks for contacting me but you may have contacted the last person you would want to on this issue. First, my opinions:

1. I am one who believes we make far too many fair use claims without much merit, this would apply to all of the images you uploaded I believe, so, know that.
2. Aside from that point, from a style standpoint, I do believe the article has a disproportion of images commiserate with the notoriety of the subject. Also, Suk is a biomed scientist, his work isn't something that is helped with photographs. As an example, Ansel Adams, a photographer, is someone who one would want a great deal of photographs to illustrate the article since he was a famous photographer. In the case of Adams fortunately he did a lot of his work on behalf of the National Park Service so those images are free for us to use, wire images for Suk are not.
3. I would encourage you to work with the other active editors on the article and find a happy medium regarding the number of pictures and which are most important. A fair use case can better be made if the work is reflective and important of the material, the shear number of images you have used I believe actually damages our ability to make a fair use claim for them.

Whatever the case, I would happy to assist even if I may not necessarily agree with you about the fair use standing of the images. --Wgfinley 01:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 황우석

황우석 사진들, 저작권 위반에 걸리지는 않을까요? -- WonYong 15:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Idioma castellano

Sip, lo hablo.. y también estuve brevemente en San Juan de Lurigancho en enero del 2004.. pero veo que estamos en campos políticos opuestos. --Yonghokim 05:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ch'on-Sang-Yul-Cha-Bun-Ya-Ji-Do

Hello! I see that you speak Korean; I wonder if you could help me out with the Ch'on-Sang-Yul-Cha-Bun-Ya-Ji-Do article, by seeing if there is an interwiki to a corresponding article in the ko: Wikipedia, or a more commonly used English transliteration. I've got a Hangul syllabary in front of me at the moment, but I wouldn't know where to begin. Thanks, -- The Anome 13:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Project

Hi, my name is Federico (alias Pain) and I am creating a section for nominating th best user page, I was wondering if you were interested in joining the project.

The project has just started, and we need help to spread the word and ameliorate it.

Wikipedia:Votes_for_best_User_page

Best regards, Federico Pistono ✆ ✍ 14:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] jeloooou

hola Chris! me llamo Andrea, soy de AQP la mejor ciudad del Perú, jejeje..q novelas?.--Cosmic girl 16:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Electrolysis Articles

Thank you for your help with the electrolysis articles! I am glad to have a chemist look over them, as I have built and used electrolysis apparatuses, but I do not have a chemistry education myself, so your input and correction on my changes is very welcome. --Corvi 06:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about the Electrochemistry on wikipedia chinese version

Thank you for you comments on the guest book on chinese wikipedia. the correct name for this article is 电化学. so you can invite someone who is interested this subject on english wikipedia to write this.--vipuser(talk) 08:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Association

Dear HappyApple: Hi. I wanted to ask you about a possible Hispanic wikipedians association here on the English wikipedia. The purpose would be to trade assignments with members of other Hispanic countries, so that they would write about a topic pertaining to our country while we write about a topic pertaining to theirs. Like a trade. We would benefit a lot by learning about our history as a whole and having other Latinos learn about our own countries at the same time.

That way also, we would promote unity between our paises hermanos. We could become an example to Hispanics around the world. Unfortunately, some Hispanics do believe we are not brothers, and we can begin with our example to prove them wrong.

What do you think, would you be interested in joining such an association?

Thanks and God bless you!

Your hermano in raza, Antonio Tegucigalpa Martin

[edit] Assoc. link

Chris: We would be honored to have you check the Wikipedia:Association of Hispanic and Latin American writers and become one of our members.

Thanks and God bless you!

Your hermano in raza, Antonio Viva la Raza de la Libertad!!! Martin

[edit] Mistake?

Hello, are you sure you don't have the descriptions for the tests of H₂ and O₂ on these [1], [2] pages switched around? In my experience the glowing wood will burst into burning white flame to indicate oxygen (not the other way round) and the H₂ will simply burn in air.... Also it appears that you are holding the wood splint over the SAME side of the hoffmann apparatus in both images, which unless you switched the polarity of the electricity supply at some point should not be testing two different gasses. --Deglr6328 00:12, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Both were a representation of indicating oxygen, another image in electrolysis of water shown the hydrogen test, thanks for letting me know about this. Now this issue was solved.--HappyApple 18:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicolás Lúcar

I noticed you reverted my edit to the Nicolás Lúcar article, saying "the article was accorded to be neutral". I don't really understand what you meant by this. First, my changes were mostly rephrasing the article to make it more readable, I have to say that the previous version is poorly written. There are also a couple of statements that I removed for not being really neutral, or lacking citations. In any case, if there are any changes you particularly object to, point them out (or edit them individually), don't just revert the whole edit, since by doing so you are restoring several mistakes. I'll change the article back unless you point to any offending statements from my edit. Thanks, --Gabbec 23:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm reverting the article, seeing no objections from your part.--Gabbec 20:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for replying. I have made the following minor changes to the article, just in case.

• Changed some spellings, according to the appropriate English or Spanish correct word.
• Changed the ATV link to the network's article, it was linking to the acronym in general.
• Changed the link to Nielsen ratings to Television ratings in general; Nielsen is pretty much exclusively U.S.-oriented, and is not really accurate for a Peruvian show. The TV ratings article is rather empty, but at least explains the concepts and links to ratings measuring techniques, including Nielsen.
• Changed the link from magazine to newsmagazine, since the first focuses on printed magazines.
• Changed references to "Nicolás" to "Lúcar", because referring to him just by his first name is rather informal for an encyclopedia.
• Removed some links to articles that are not particularly relevant or are unnecessary since they are easily understood.

I think these should all be acceptable, but let me know if they are not. Now, with respect to the main changes you outlined on my talk page:

• I'm OK with leaving "report" as a translation, it's as good as any; I'm also OK with leaving the link to Bill Curtis.
• On ratings, it would be nice if sources could be included, or at least rough figures, especially for Día D; it must be harder to find figures for Las revista dominical ratings. It's not clear what the ratings for Bayly are, so it would be better to include some measure of the show's popularity. Mentioning IBOPE TIME specifically would also be good.
• "Many Peruvians remember him as a devoted journalist rather than a controversial figure". I don't like this sentence, to be honest. "Devoted" sounds too partial in his favor, and saying "many Peruvians" is rather arbitrary (how many is "many"?). I agree that most people associate him to LRD first, and those were good years, but I personally remember the Paniagua fiasco even more (more than the name of the programme it was shown in, Tiempo Nuevo). And saying that "The public opinion has changed towards Nicolas Lúcar over the years" based on his ratings is not that valid. I'm OK with that sentence, though, but I would reword the other one ("Many Peruvians..."). I would say something like "Peruvians are divided over Lúcar, regarding him as anything between an outstanding journalist and a controversial figure." I'll let you decide what to say, but please change it a bit if at all possible. Also, if you can find some sort of measurable way to survey public opinion about him (some opinion poll maybe), which would probably be hard, it would be good to include it.

Let me know if you have any questions or remarks. I hope finals went/are going well. Thanks, --Gabbec 05:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks to you too, I'm also glad this is resolved. Regards, --Gabbec 00:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Korean

Can you really speak Korean? As in 안녕하세요? Good friend100 00:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Happyapple

Hello. I will check on the Hwacha article and make sure information is not being deleted. Watch out vandalizers, as vandalism has occured in Korean articles in the past. Good friend100 01:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AMA request

I request assistance on Hwacha article (a historical weapon), because i believe some users are deleting substantial information that was written on the article in aims of "having their personal and own professionalism".

• Specifically User:Wikimachine states that Hwacha article version as of 25 June 2006 was too confusing because got Repetitive contents, i tried to get an agreement with him or her (and i modified the version and split its contents in subheadings), but he or she didn't liked that, and started to delete information and revert and started to use offensive words like; "don't write here.." and "...I am frustrated, " GAME MANIACS GO AWAY" and "People just want to mention games. They get excited, don't they. Why don't they play games all their life and not edit in Wikipedia, then. I say delete it, "... repeat, to have a section dedicated to game and "popular culture" (bingrae) is idiocratic.". I think this is not civil and i wish someone can help me on this.
• User:Wikimachine also said " The article is lengthening and repetitive. What bothers me, the most is how there's a picture of Hwacha in real life & another in game...", in the References to media&games section, he also said: "See Encyclopedia Britannica. See Encarta. See any encyclopedia. See if they have games. If you are obsessed with games, don't write here.. " . And he also said "...I am frustrated" (more about this: Talk:Hwacha)
• I believe those comments are offensive. I tried to reach to him or her, an agreement and a new version of the article was written within two days, [3], the new version, changed the style and added subsections and improved the format and deleted "sensitive contents" such as the origins of Hwacha (historical weapon), and added a pop culture section as many other articles have; such as "Trebuchet, and even the Piltdown man" . But some weeks later , User:Wikimachine changed and deleted all stating again that PROFESSIONAL, PLEASE, GAME MANIACS GO AWAY , in caps, and stating that sections like description and Role of hwacha in conflics were useless and bogus.
• He deleted the pop culture trivia also because said that:
  • "People just want to mention games. They get excited, don't they. Why don't they play games all their life and not edit in Wikipedia, then. I say delete it." and '"I repeat, to have a section dedicated to game and "popular culture" (bingrae) is idiocratic. Just because those other articles are ruined doesn't mean that you can justify your action with those examples." (more about this see: Talk:Hwacha)
  • I think the mentioned adove was out of place and was totally offensive.
• He or she, even called for a vote if the section should be taken out from the article. (which is still in progress), i am not sure how this vote-thing works at wikipedia but, on Wikipedia is not a democracy says that: Votes should be used with caution.
• My point is that, if we compare the version of this article imposed by User:Wikimachine Hwacha to the version from a day ago Hwacha, (that got a simmilar pattern used at many other historical guns and weapons articles), we can see the current version has deleted substantial information and i think the criteria used for delete it is totally wrong.
• There is still an ongoin discussion about this on Talk:Hwacha .The article (Hwacha), for now, has been restored and reworked to the previous version and saved as current. But it is likely this "current version"" will be deleted as it seems User:Wikimachine dont like it. I hope someone can take my case and give me further assitance.--HappyApple 05:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, HappyApple! I'm Steve Caruso from the Association of Members' Advocates. We've recieved your request, and I am currently working on providing you with a suitable Advocate. You should be hearing from us soon. אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/poll) 16:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi HappyApple, Steve Caruso contacted me to see if I would be willing to advocate for you in your problem with the article Hwacha, please see my statement at Wikipedia:AMA Member Statements and if I seem suitable, I would be happy to assist you with your problem. Pedant 02:11, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To Complement Your Septilingual Skills

You are quite the multi-linguist.

La otra idioma que sé hablar bueno es el español...y no sé hablarla por un nivel grande.

What did I say wrong up there? :P --Illnab1024 08:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: HappyApple contact

Hi, thank you for leaving me a message on my talk page regarding to my request to advocate assitance on Hwacha article. I've received a notification from Pedant that he or she, is willing to help me, but i find that him or her is having some delay on his assitance to me. (Perhaps he is quite busy or he's involved in other activities). My question is, what steps should i take for an advocate would assist me on represent my case to solve the ongoing problem at Hwacha?. I think the current version has withstood these days only because of Wikimachine's personal whims. I really would appreciate that an advocate would assist me. A wikipedian in need. :( --HappyApple 22:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I will be sure to look into this and see what's keeping Pedant up. If it turns out that there is something wrong I'll see if I can get another Advocate to look at your case. I apologize for the delay. :-( אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/AMA) 00:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm...

I see that you've got a response from AMA, so I don't think I will comment too much. I haven't interacted with them very often, but I've heard that they are a good bunch.

I have some thoughts to share with you:

1. Why not come over to hapticity for a little bit of tea?
2. Visit hydnjo's user page. There is a curious quote from Jonathan Swift which might give you some ideas on what to do next.
3. To answer your first question, this is not useless. At times, even things which exhibit unuselessness can be healthy for Wikipedia.

Seriously, let me know if this helps - if not, I'll see if I can help in another different way. I am a bit hesitant to spend too much time on this at the moment, since I expect to be away from Wikipedia soon, until after the Wikimedia conference ends. --HappyCamper 00:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:hwacha

Hello. I understand the problem at the Hwacha article. Also, remember we don't need to point out people. I understand that you are frustrated by Wikimachine's insistence. I'll try and help out.

And I edited the article. Please take a look. Good friend100 01:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sandwich okay?

I did a major revision of your recent contributions to Hapticity. Or stated differently, I did a major damage to your recent contributions ... Let me know if I was too aggressive or too arrogant; my inclination is toward the readership vs. us fellow authors. It would be fun to work on Sandwich compound together - a good home for uranocene.--Smokefoot 02:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I will stay with sandwich compound.--Smokefoot 02:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Advocacy

If you will email me at drglenn'AT'dr.com it would be best so that we can discuss this more privately, we need to have some correspondence to clarify what you are trying to accomplish, and what has kept you from it. What time zone are you in? We could schedule a time (maybe an hour) for a brief flurry of emails and wrap it up pretty quickly if the situation is as it appears to me. Pedant 20:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hwacha 2

No problem. I hope we can work together to help improve more Korea related articles. Good friend100 21:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:image:haengju.jpg

I'll look for the author for the haengju map. But I am pretty sure the map is in public domain in Korea. Why wouldn't it be here if it is used for "educational purposes"? thank you once again for helping make the Imjin War article a lot better. Good friend100 17:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:images

Thank you very much for the offer. I appreciate it. Finding images with permission from the author is hard and time consuming if they don't state it directly. Good friend100 01:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Justifications

Hi HappyApple,

I noticed you weighed in with an opinion on the images I tagged. Please see Wikipedia:Fair_use#Counterexamples which Kuronose quoted. The reason I tagged these images was precisely this reason. The example of something that is not fair use: "a work of art, not so famous as to be iconic, whose theme happens to be the Spanish Civil War, to illustrate an article on the war" is "not to be acceptable as fair use." I doubt these pictures fall into the "iconic" category. While they might be nice, it seems pretty clear that they are exact incarnations of this example. Perhaps you'd like to change your comment on the questionable image page to help avoid confusion? LactoseTI 17:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Incidently, I saw you asking for help to "vote" to keep these images. I'm not certain if you are aware, but this page does not even work by consensus--even if 100:1 want to keep an image, if it fails the Wikipedia standard for fair use it is deleted. Instead of trying to get additional support, I might suggest you trying to come up with a new strategy to justify fair use--as is, it is mimics completely the "almost certainly not free use" example. Perhaps you can come up with a convincing reason why this is not the case here? I saw you suggested it might somehow be iconic--but surely you cannot even argue that these paintings are well known... "iconic" implies they are so well known that basically "everyone" has heard or seen them. This isn't the case.

These particular images are good, but I especially liked your Hwacha images (especially the firing one)--have you heard back about them yet? LactoseTI 05:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Iconic"

Hi HappyApple,

Thanks for responding; I read your comments on Good friend100's page... I think might be a little confused about how "iconic" is used. I am not discounting the fact that there are many people in Asia. Are you honestly suggesting that most of them know these paintings? I would wager that more Koreans have not ever seen--or even heard of--these particular paintings. That's what makes them not iconic. The time frame is not so important, except that something in the last 20-30 years probably doesn't have time to "catch on" so much. I just wanted to respond because I didn't want to leave the impression that I discounted all those people in Asia (when you basically said I was ethnocentric). I didn't. LactoseTI 12:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Speedying"

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering why you seem to often mention I am "speedying" things. I have never speedied anything--never either images or articles for deletion. I nominated them for the "long" process. Speedied areas are only for really obvious things... LactoseTI 04:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Very funny

Very funny, a "disaster" just happened. The editors at the Imjin War talk page have rushed to move the article to "Hideyoshi's Invasions" without any consensus from the others. They have made a botched "consensus" claiming that "everybody agrees" and moved it. I referred to the admin that removed the tag (user:Nihonjoe) and waiting for his reply. This is so ridiculous because I don't want to get into a move war again. Good friend100 16:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:HwachaAttack.jpg

In the hwacha article it fits well because of the explanation of them showing up in the video games--but is this really a screenshot? Did you make it yourself? All the other images in that article seem 100% confirmed as free--I thought we might be able to justify this one, too. If you can provide a few more details, it would make a nice addition to the article. LactoseTI^T 02:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not really suggesting it's copyright infringement so much as an unsure source--from where did you get it? It doesn't appear to be a screenshot (dimensions/no background/posing/etc.) Perhaps it's a piece of a screenshot? Or perhaps it's promotional art? I think adding these details will help it not to get tagged again. —LactoseTI^T 05:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Baseless Accusations

I work hard to turn some rather bad articles into good ones. I have worked with you to try to get some articles cleaned and into a state where they could be featured--they never will be with unclear images, some clearly violating ones, etc. I am both surprised and disappointed that you would try to stir up some bad feelings here, specifically on Good friend100's talk page. I also believe your behavior is unnecessarily bad form--why not ask me directly if you have a problem with my edits? I have removed POV edits and vandalism from both sides.

What's more, all or almost all of the image tags I've put up were upheld by Wikipedia editors at large. I never speedied anything related to Korean-related articles--I'm not sure why you keep suggesting I did. I did propose a delete for a single line stub which was out of place (though it wasn't a speedy proposal)--and as soon as it was expanded I did a speedy keep.

As for Hideyoshi's invasions of Korea--the consensus was that it should be moved there from "Seven-Year War", after it had inappropriately and unilaterally been moved to "Imjin War". Though it might be interesting, it really doesn't matter what this conflict is called in other languages--the common English usage is all that matters. This is English Wikipedia.

You seem to think that because I have been more active in the Korean articles these days it means I am "anti-Korean"--the reason, instead, is that the articles dealing with Korean issues are often the ones in bad shape. I'm happy to do some cleanup work here, hoping that these articles could some day reach featured status--I only started editing them after I noticed their absolutely dreadful state. It's unfortunate that you seem to misinterpret my efforts. —LactoseTI^T 06:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I didn't mean to "butt in" on your conversation with Good friend100, it just makes me concerned when someone starts throwing around the word "harrassment," which is clearly not true.

As for the issue of Hideyoshi's invasions, if you really come up with a good argument (good enough for arbitration) I would suggest you first present it on that article's talk page. I like some other names better, too, and there is perhaps a better name for the article. It's not like it would not be considered. Simply, though, whatever we come up with needs to follow the English Wikipedia naming conventions.

Of course, I will attempt to broaden my search range for cleaning up articles, but it's easy to hop from article to article, and there is so much clutter to clear! Thanks again for your response! —LactoseTI^T 13:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The Korean articles are just in bad shape because nobody edits them and instead all sit in the talk page and argue. If you think you are giving the impression that your comments are anti Korean, you're right. Because I feel that way. All you're edits are mostly sensible and agreeable but the edits look like its your job and the edits have to do with deleting.

"Oh the image is not copyrighted-delete" "Oh the information is POV-delete". Information you think is POV is still information and it can be changed into a better way.

I have worked very hard on the now "Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea" article. These days I'm not interested, particularly over the "its the English Wikipedia" belief.

So what if its the English Wikipedia? It should be understood that the internet is growing at an exponential rate and is becoming very useful as well. It should also be known that the internet extends to the entire world. The internet is not restricted to just the United States.

Also, English is becoming one of the most common and one the most learned languages over the world. The English Wikipedia is the largest and with the most editors. Foreign words are not foreign words anymore. They become part of the English vocabulary. "Sushi", "Samurai", "hwacha", etc, whatever! They all have an English definition, right? But are they "foreign"? Should "hwacha" be called "anti-personnel weapon from Korea" instead since this is the English Wikipedia? NO of course not!

Hello? "Imjin War" is definitely an English word. It definitely is a term used, even if it is hardly used at all. The word "tome" is an English word. Its not used a lot, but it means "a large book or dictionary". Is "tome" not an English word because its not common?

"Imjin War" is clearly the best English word available. Not some "Hideyoshi's". "English wikipedia english wikipedia" so what?? The world is getting smaller and English is very common now. Foreign words flow through the internet and our conversations more often.

Now your going to say Imjin War is POV because its "Korean" and from a "Korean view". Then how do you explain "Oei Invasion"? That must be Japanese POV since it is a Japanese name. Can you make the anology or at least understand that the POV argument is void?

All the stuff above has been delivered on the Hideyoshi's talk page. Yet you didn't listen and instead say the term "Imjin War" was used "unilaterily" and "without consent from the others". The facts and the case is already given. All you do is, "we're right and your totally wrong so the article should be moved". Have you ever replied directly to the argument above? The Imjin War side gave the argument already, but all you do is state your own arguments, which is void because we already gave our reason.

"Imjin War" can't be POV because it definitely is an English term.

"Imjin War" is the best term because it is a clear name, not some description.

"Imjin War" cannot be Korean POV because there are other wars or names in Japanese. Therefore they will be POV as well. I am surprised that no one is arguing at the Oei Invasion talk page saying it is "POV because its a Japanese name." Yet, you come to the Imjin War article and attack the title saying its bad. I just can't understand it sometimes.

The Japanese article that is supposed to be POV is left alone while the Korean article is just assailed upon where nobody can edit it properly because of the flaming discussion you guys keep making about the title.

Isn't that a little Japan sided, where you put down the Korean article while leaving alone the Japanese article? If your belief of "this is the English Wikipedia" is so strong, I suggest you go the Oei Invasion talk page and argue to move it.

Lets settle this at the article itself. I can't believe how much time and energy we spend just not contributing to the article itself. Good friend100 02:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You said the Korean articles are in bad shape because nobody edits them--I improved them a lot by removing the images with copyright problems, improving them so they are much closer to feature article status--they never would get there with bad images. I'm glad you think I did it consistently and with enough energy like it was my job.

English does not necessarily equal the United States... but English Wikipedia does revolve around English speakers, so it's important to stick to the concepts and phrases they are most likely to use. I'm not sure what you're complaining about--there are redirects getting them to the page if they search for your "obscure" term. Some foreign terms have made it into English, but that doesn't mean all foreign words are suddenly part of the English lexicon--the idea is we stick to what people know. By your own admission, "Imjin War" is "hardly used at all"--that means it's not a very good main title.

Your example of tome is a good one. Tome and book are both words describing similar things--but which would you choose for the main title of the article? Oei Invasion is different because people learn that term, not some other term.

I regret that you are disillusioned--but I'm even more disappointed that you'd let the fact that the fact that your pet name doesn't happen to be the main title stop you from wanting to edit at all! Please, stick with it--I know you can make some more good contributions if you keep trying. —LactoseTI^T 02:03, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I let the coordinator know that the case is finished, I will look over the Hwacha article tomorrow for 'English errors', let me know any time you would like that kind of help on any article, I would be glad to help any way I am able. Thanks for making this such an easy case. User:Pedant 07:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hwacha

seems like this needs more work... If you think so I will reopen this case. Remember, advocacy is an unofficial step, and we may need to escalate this to a more formal process which would have a binding result. I'd like to settle it informally if possible though. User:Pedant 09:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Looks like there is some discussion on the Hwacha talk page. I don't think a consensus will be reached, maybe we should go to the next step? Looks like OrbitOne wants to start a Requests for Comment, which seems like the next logical step. For some reason he seems bent on changing policy and using this article to do it. I'll continue to watch this. I've made some comments on your behalf on the Talk:Hwacha page, please look them over. User:Pedant 04:55, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Chris, happy to help out where I can. Matt 12:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] escalation

Well, if we can't get a rational discussion on the issue at Hwacha, we can go on to another stage of the dispute. First, we need to actually try to solve it informally, which is what the discussion process on Talk:Hwacha was intended to do. If it seems that that won't work, further resolution processes can be used.

Officialy the second step, where we are now, is to disengage. Accordingly, my advice is that neither you nor I edit the Hwacha article or the talk page. This is to allow the anger to subside, and to let everyone think about things. It may not seem so useful, but it is part of the process. So, I advise, don't edit the Hwacha page until one week from Monday. A full week off will show that you are trying to be reasonable, and maybe after, other editors will have worked out a solution that all disputants can be happy with.

If not, we can ask for an informal mediation, which can be helpful if all parties are willing. If that fails, we expose the issue to a wider audience through a request for comment but only after the 'disengage' step and also the 'attempt informal mediation' step. Taking this step by step may be frustrating and feel like a delay, but it is a good way to show your interests are "what is best for wikipedia as a whole".

During the week, think about what reasons the links to games are an added value to the Hwacha article, and maybe try to write a good paragraph that includes more than just the links to the games, to show in what way the game reference helps the reader to gain some understanding of aspects of the Hwacha.

And really, really, do not edit Hwacha or Talk:Hwacha for the whole week. It would only damage your case. I have advised all disputants to disengage, those who do not will not seem as willing to reach a resolution.

if you would like to discuss this more privately without someone 'looking over your shoulder'. Or just leave a note on my talk page. I will also disengage from the controversy, as your advocate it would not be fair to edit while you had disengaged, it would be like I was a puppet for you. I am sorry this is long and frustrating. We take it one step at a time, and we will one day reach a resolution. Maybe we are right and maybe we are wrong. The determination is not ours to make, and the process should not be rushed. User:Pedant 19:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I can't believe an argument over the little "popular culture" section in the article can lead to this.

I have to remind you all that we can't just sit and argue all day. The hwacha article is a lot better than it was a couple months ago but it still needs a lot of improvement over history and usage. We need to focus on the article itself. Good friend100 02:02, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more

Do you know of any sources which discuss the Hwacha role in popular culture? Some references to show in what way the game reference helps the reader to gain some understanding of aspects of the Hwacha? User:Pedant 18:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry HappyApple wasn't able to make it to the vote. The year has been kind of busy...

If you need any other help just ask. Oyo321 22:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Talk:Bow tie

Hi,

You may have an interest, since I saw your name in the history list of the Bow tie article: There's a separate article, List of bow tie wearers and an admin is suggesting deleting it. When I looked into the Bow tie page, I found there's already a list there. I don't have an opinion on which list should remain, but one really should go. I'd appreciate your advice on the Talk:Bow tie page, if you're interested and have the time.Noroton 00:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Beyond Tomorrow / Beyond 2000 / NTSC in Australia

Australian television transmissions may have used NTSC experimentally very early on, probably before the official launch of television in Australia in 1956. In 1975, colour television was belatedly introduced in Australia, where PAL was most definitely the sole video format at that time. Sorry, I didn't find much in the way of online references for this information. --ozzmosis 05:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I also enjoyed Towards 2000 & Beyond 2000 when they were first broadcast in the 1980s. The theme music was cool.  :-) It'd be good to see some of the old shows again, but I don't like the chances of them being repeated here. --ozzmosis 05:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos

Hi Happy. Sorry, I didn't see your extensive additions before my last edit. For some reason they didn't show up on the "diff". Thanks for adding that information, by the way.

Anyway, I think there is a simple solution to this. All we need to do is take the claim out of the lead paragraph, where it can be only a single sentence or part of a sentence, and put all the relevant information into the body of the article. By the way, do you know for sure that UASD was closed? If so, for what years?

Cheers, --Rbraunwa 14:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hwacha

The debate has been picked up again. I am representing myself, but others have picked the debate up again. If you wish to further defend your position, then I suggest you get involved with the issue now to avoid future conflict. --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 13:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peru Portal and Wikiproject Peru

Hi, you might be interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Peru, we help expand Peruvian-related articles and take care of the Portal:Peru. Bye and happy editting. --Walter Humala 21:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hwacha mediation

ok, the mediation cabal is another informal step, they will attempt to mediate the conflict, and attempt an informal resolution. It's probably a good thing since it's not resolved. I'm busy this weekend, but I'll check in with the discussion... in the meantime, you can make a statement about the problem at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-13 Hwacha popular culture in the Discussion section. User:Pedant 07:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi, please take a look at recent changes at Talk:Hwacha/Mediation. I've rejected OrbitOne's offer of 'compromise' but you are free to accept it if you feel it would be acceptable. User:Pedant 23:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I think we need to move on with this, I don't think mediation will be fruitful, Wikimachine and OrbitOne don't seem to want to resolve this, I think it's time for an arbitration. In arbitration, we don't have to talk with Wikimachine and OrbitOne, we just tell the arbitrator your side and let them make a decision, I think. Email me and lets discuss the next step. User:Pedant 08:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)