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[edit] Chalte Chalte

Rani said it herself in the reference I put. Why would she lie to a magazine which holds all the facts. It's the media. You can't fool the media. Websites can be wrong not magazines. Please check! It was also important since it was her first with a superstar hero after working with Govinda, Anil Kapoor and Bobby Deol several times.

shez_15 19:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RSS support

RSS is not a political organisation ,So it cannot be linked to political victories or defeats . RSS has a strong cadre support even in southern states like Kerala. This can be known from the fact that at the time of elections , even Political parties like Congress (I) actively seeks its support.Bharatveer 13:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

"But the real issue is that the RSS is no dance and drama club. It is political to the core. It set up its political arm, Jana Sangh, in the Fifties and handpicked half a dozen RSS ``pracharaks for the job. After the Jana Sangh was born again as the BJP, the links remained intimate. Almost the entire top brass of the BJP belongs to the RSS and were handpicked to lead the political arm.

The BJP cannot decide who its party president should be without the concurrence of the RSS - the decision is taken by a few senior party leaders in consultation with the top office-bearers of the RSS, and the election becomes a mere formality - and the leadership of all its fronts, including the VHP, the Bajrang Dal and the Sanskar Bharati is held by RSS pracharaks.

The RSS continues to have a major say on important policies and programmes of its political wing, the BJP. In 1998, it was the RSS which vetoed the Prime Minister and decided that Mr. Jaswant Singh could not be the Finance Minister. And during every election, RSS members come out in large numbers to canvass actively for the BJP. In 1995, well before the central election committee meeting of the BJP, the Sarsanghchalak of the RSS, Mr. Rajendra Singh, predicted that around 20 to 25 sitting BJP MLAs would not be given the ticket, and that is exactly what happened.

With these admitted facts, how can the RSS be considered a non- political cultural organisation when top BJP leaders confess that the RSS chief is their ``friend, philosopher and guide? TerryJ-Ho

[edit] UCC

Be civil and assume good faith.

"The advocates of Hindutva often use the term pseudo-secularism to refer to the Indian Constitution's provisions for minority rights. They point to the different standards for Hindus, Muslims and Christians".

There is no mention of UCC anywhere here; the subject is about special priviledges to the minorities . and thats why "standards" is the correct word. Bharatveer 14:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

My "civility" comments were for your allegation of stalking. Yet again in your edit summary you are accusing me of hiding my edits. We can discuss these things even without personal accusations.Bharatveer 15:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

pls try to discuss things without personal accusations .Bharatveer 09:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

"The advocates of Hindutva often use the term pseudo-secularism to refer to Indian Constitution's provisions for minority rights".

I find that you keep reverting to this sentence again and again. Can u pls suggest which constitution's provisions are they against?/

I have never suggested that RSS is popular among "all" sections of hindus in "all" parts of India . I modified your attempts to link RSS with any political party. Since it is not a political front; how can its success be gauged with political victories???

Bharatveer 03:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pls sign your comments. Can you pls state the constitutional laws opposed by Hindutva forces? I never said this following quote to be yours "The advocates of Hindutva often use the term pseudo-secularism to refer to Indian Constitution's provisions for minority rights" .

I changed it as i felt it was incorrect and i gave my reasons. Hindutva forces want Universal Civil Code as per Indian constituion (art 44). The laws they are against are not sanctioned by Indian constituion , they were instituied by the colonial forces and these laws were to be superceded by Our Constitution.

So i still think "standards" is the word to be used there.Bharatveer 10:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

I think you have a misconception of my POV...I have explained on Talk:Hindutva. I am hurt by that conception seriously. But in your favour, you are right, I can't think much about the government having different standards for Hindus and other religions, its more like the way history has treated the different religions, not how the government has treated them. Nobleeagle (Talk) 10:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

"As is obvious by a large number of comments on this page, you have a habit of removing others comments without giving reasons, or entering into discussion. I had given a rebuttal to your points on the talk page for Hindutva, waited for 4 days for a response from you and then reverted back. I make the change, and on the same day withing hours you revert back to your POV without any reasons".

1.Where have I removed other's comments? and when i have never removed anyone's comments on the tlak page why should I give reasons? 2. I have already explained in the talk page why "standards" are more correct than "laws" because pseudosecularism is not just about UCC. 3. Some other editors have also endorsed my views. It is you who is doing the revert giving the same old reasons.Bharatveer 15:14, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fundamentalist sockpuppet

Take a look at this talk page and this usercheck verdict. His 3RR violation in 2002 Gujarat violence has been reported. Anwar 15:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, a flame war will not serve any purposes here. I am not a fundamentalist. Anwar, however, is an extremist muslim who refuses to listen to reason (I have attempted to dialogue civilly with him with little success). Please refrain from attacks and read my edits calmly and rationally. I have not added any rhetoric, and I have removed anti-Hindu rhetoric added by Anwar. Namaste (Pusyamitra Sunga 15:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC))
I was presenting a view held by Hindutva advocates, as taken from the Hindutva charter. I was not implying any POV on my part. I constantly wrote "They claim that", 'they contend that', always third person, never first. How am I being 'fundamentalist'? It is you who is being reactionary. Please get an education in the art of writing.Plus, any inflammatory language from my page has been removed, and I have not objected. I agree with that decision. What is with your intense hatred for all things Hindu, anyway? Did you not learn anything about our way of life in school, at home? Whay should all Hindus have to suffer for the errors in one person's upbringing? Is that fair? Think objectively.(Pusyamitra Sunga 15:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC))

Hello Haphar, Just for your information, I have indefblocked Pusyamitra Sunga, as he sent me an email from the same address as User:Subhash bose. Seems to have been evading 3rr and the block with that account. Blnguyen | rant-line 06:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wind-ups

this. Please stop it.Blnguyen | rant-line 08:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It is very sarcastic and is a wind-up. Especially the part in brackets. Also, Sunga is gone now so what is the problem? Subhash_bose is now out for a week for resuming personal attacks after my first week-long block was paroled by User:Mikkalai - (his sparring partner User:WikiSceptic is also out for 10 days). If you are confident you are right there is no need to jump into the mud also - he who makes personal attacks will lose the high moral ground anyway. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 08:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I also found this, [1]. Your comparison to Subhash is not exactly valid, as he has been blocked for a week, and you haven't been blocked, so I can't see why you are being ill treated. he has broken the rules and has been sat out. Also, definitely, there is no way that "blind" is as bad as a religious wind-up. A lot of people who are angry that I deleted their autobiography left messages like "jerk" and "ass" on my userpage and I never bothered to block them, although if they did to someone else, I would.Blnguyen | rant-line 00:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

....it is still a lot less inflammatory than kya karega be Haphar 01:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Possibly not many people know this, but I actually don't know any Indian languages. So you might want to translate. Also, it's not a good idea to make sarcastic comments about religious issues, even peripherally so. Blnguyen | rant-line 01:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
You may also want to participate in the religion survey at the top of my user talk page.Blnguyen | rant-line 01:47, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Rani's page

Look, we need to put Chalte Chalte on her career, if not, it leaves a gap between 2002 to 2004. We skip 2003 when there was some success there. You are taking away the actress' work of that year by not mentionning an Aziz Mirza banner film. Thanks for understanding!

--shez15 24:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shiv Sena Article. My take

You implicitly claim that they attacked UP/Bihar'ites because of their ethnicity or because of an inherent belief that they have about Maratha superiority. But the article does not indicate that any such belief system was behind these altercations. The claim of the SS is quite legitimate, that they want preferential representation for local Marathas in Railway positions in Maharashtra. Granted, their TACTICS are a bit questionable, bit their IDEOLOGY is still legitimate and sound. There is no logic behind your going on a polemical rant accusing SS of Fascism since nothing in their ideology reflects any Fascism. Like I said, the best criticism of their ideology is NATIVIST, NOT FASCIST OR HITLERIAN!!!!! Shivsena is not anti non-Maratha but it does support Marathas, albeit a bit aggressively. Everyone should understand the difference between these two. Shivsena did not assault Biharis because of their ethnicity but they advocated for Marathas. To save the Marathas it was necessary to send Beharis back. If the government, in a fit of gutter multiculturalism, chooses to short-change the Marathas, then the Marathas need to respond actively. You are looking at SS from a left-wing liberal lens, marred by self-loathing and negationist pacifism. On the face of it their actions looks very abnormal but if you see the situation from the point of view of working-class Maratha sentimentality then you would perhaps sympathize with their methods. Besides, these are just minor spats that eventually blow over. a compromise is reached and all is well. I've lived in Mumbai for the better part of 15 years and I can assure you that the SS is not the roving gang of maniacal skinhead-esque thugs that the sensationalist media portrays it to be. Netaji 22:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

1. As far as your claims of Hitler are concerned, bear in mind that the Lehy (Stern Gang) group in Israel had provided an interesting interpretation. According to them, Hitler was NOT an enemy of the Jewish people but merely one who hated Jews.

2. North America WAS colonized by 'thugs'. The Mayflower pilgrims were 'thugs' by your definition. They wanted to practice a religious philosophy that's much much worse than Hindutva. It was totally intolerant and exclusivist.

'Having chosen to abandon the country for their own economic gains' Because the left-wing congress made it impossible to make any economic gains in an society of Indian-branded Marxism. CAPITALISM, mein freund. THAT's what works. Socialism is a great failure. 'takes full advantage of the liberalism abroad and preaches right wing xenophobia for home.' Nein mein freund. US is a Christian right-wing country, and will remain so in the forseeable future. They have a soverign right to help India develop into a modern Hindu Rashtra, which they have been doing.'Right Wing' xenophobia is better then left-wing Marxist oppression , censorship. 'parts of the Muslim diaspora' PARTS?!?!??! Try bloody almost ALL of the muslim diaspora. Ever heard of C.A.I.R http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3437,http://www.danielpipes.org/article/394? Plus there is no such thing as Islamic 'fundamentalism'. The claim of Islamic 'fundamentalism' gives rise to the illusion that there is a 'non-fundamental' kind of Islam. There is only one kind of Islam. The kind that blows things up.Netaji 12:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

  1. and Indian history professors are all saints, right brother? Call your doctor, your intravenous drip needs adjusting, then read Arun Shourie's book on Indian historians.
  1. lol now I'm enjoying your twisting my words to suit your agenda. I wasn't talking about the US government doing anything for India, but the Indian diaspora itself (ever hear of USINPAC?). And yes, my friend, we have many sympathizers in the US political landscape. Neoconservatives being only the first. Now allow me to quote my native Bengali 'Amaar Shonar chele shomajbader shopno dekho raate aar diner bala bhikke koro rastaye'. Maharashtra and Gujarat are the most prosperous states in Indi (run by the right) where left-wing beggars from Calcutta come bowl in hand for jobs.
  1. Not Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a feudal dump. I'm talking about Israel. The Jewish State is the ideal model for a Hindu Rashtra.
  1. I'm not upset about fundamentalism in Islam because there is no fundamentalism in Islam. Islam ITSELF is 'fundamentalist', in the sense of Intolerance, Slaughter, Looting, Arson, Molestation of women, ie I-S-L-A-M. The very word 'ISLAM' means 'submission to God'. Well I, for one, refuse to submit to their god through the UPA government. Samartha Bharat! Netaji 15:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
"The best defense is a good offense", there is another quote for you. Historically, Hindus dod not attack muslims first (in fact, nobody has ever attacked muslims first). They attacked us. Plus, lehy are not terrorists. They attacked British. British were a legitimate target in Israel because they were alien occupiers and did not belong there."Let no man in the world live in delusion", wanna guess who said that? That's right bubba, GURU NANAK! Netaji 21:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Economically I'm doing just fine. Just keep the POV edits out Netaji 23:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
The liberal left does drugs,not I. Plus, the whole world has turned away from ecularism. Secularism is a failure. India will naturally follow suit. The question is, will we be an Islamic theocracy or a Hindu Rashtra. The latter is the lesser of the two evils, given the dangerous nature of Islamic Theocraries like Iran and Saudi Arabia Netaji
14 % now. 10% a century ago. Maybe 50% next century. Muslims practice polygamy. Maybe your grandson gets his hand chopped off, or your granddaughter is forced to wear a naqaab.USA is a Christian country. There are Christian Laws. There is state preference to Christians. Canada is part of British Crown. Britain is a Christian Country with Christian Law. The PArliament is ordained by God. Brazil is RABID Christian TheocracyNetaji 19:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppets

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[edit] Hi Haphar

Hi Haphar. With regard to the Islamic contribution to the Sikh religion, you seemed rather knowledgeable about it. There has been a specific article created about it, Islam and the Sikh Panth. I think it would be great if you made your contributions to it.--Sikh historian 16:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Remain Civil on Hindutva Talk Page

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

I am warning you one last time. Do not resort to insults or ad-hominem attacks again or you will be violating wikipedia rules and I will act accordingly. Remain civil and courteous and I will be so as well, or you will suffer the fate of Wikisceptic.Netaji 11:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Anti-islam incivility

Hi what the user said to you is a phrase (Intolerance, Slaughter, Looting, Arson, Molestation of women, ie I-S-L-A-M) used by the racist British National Party in britain hope this helps you.Hypnosadist 20:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re your comments on my user page

Uh? --Coroebus 16:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, have you assumed that my footnote from the previous section refers somehow to your post on Islamophobia talk? It does not as you will see if you click the link to where the footnote is referenced from. I have now inserted a horizontal line to separate the footnotes from the talk page body. Since I'm spelling this out, my reference to 'telling tales out of school' referred to this --Coroebus 16:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
It's ok, it was quite amusing really because I had no idea what you were on about either. --Coroebus 20:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Hindu Unity

Hi, there are racist and biased people who are resisting cited information about the Hindu Unity's involvement in terrorism. The sources people like myself have used include the BBC...however, these people are calling even the BBC an anti-Hindu organization (yes, they are retarded). And when someone tries to put the truth on the page, they attack that person and call him relatives of Osama, etc. --Disinterested 09:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LOL

So Baksupman is my sockpuppet is he? Anyone who doesn;t agree with you is my sockpuppet. You're as paranoid as that Disinterested dude above.Netaji 18:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Making baseless accusations without proof is a personal attack. I will warn you once.Netaji 19:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Just because I side with Netaji against you doesn't mean I'm a sockpuppet. Most of the articles I edited aren't even controversial (except for Hornplease, he thinks its all controversy). Lord of The Rings? You don't see Netaji's hand in there. Do your homework.Bakaman%% 19:56, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Look at my contributions. I started at the start of July, not the end. And I didn't edit "controversial" articles until last week when I stumbled on the Godhra Riots and saw it reeking with POV. Otherwise I help with LOTR and Hinduism. Bakaman%% 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Two proven sockpuppeteers pretending outrage at being pointed out. Haphar 15:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I see that Lkadvani has taught you how to lie. Bakaman Bakatalk 16:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Netaji, is on break, so your little dream of "sockpuppets" goes down the drain.Bakaman Bakatalk 16:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2002 Gujarat violence

Please see my proposal at Talk:2002 Gujarat violence#Proposal for informal mediation from Bcorr. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 20:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you and Subhash again

Well firstly, I hope you had a good week off. Now, the comments that he made are very bad, but I need some extra clarification on some of the lingo used, because I need some more context to get things right. Secondly, having the last word isn't always the best, and I'm not sure that your responses to him are the most appropriate for making things better - perhaps just better to ignore the rhetoric and report, rather than respond. This response to a bit of regional jousting about Bengalis and Maharashtrians is not appropriate, as regional differences in India probably generate more emotion than others. This posting questioning Subhash' Indian-ness is not a good idea, nor the point of arguing about irrelevant geopolitical stuff about Pakistan, Tiber, China, Taiwan India. Replying to random text with random text is not good. Finally, claiming lower moral ground in response to another, is also quite pointles. Also, I have told you not to return fire in these off-content-topic debates before. There's a lot of other stuff on my userpage about Bakasuprman, Holywarrior, etc, so you may want to voice your opinon as well. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 05:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I feel that it is grossly inappropriate to return fire to Subhash and then return a declaration of war on Talk:Hindutva, and then complain about Subhash's behaviour within 30m of your outburst, so you have been blocked as well. Please do not return unnecessary fire in future. 48 hours. Blnguyen | rant-line 02:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Hindutva = Being HinduBakaman Bakatalk 18:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I've replied to you on my talk page again, as it seem the most convenient.Blnguyen | rant-line 04:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Please join discussion

Please join discussion on Rama's arrow's talk page about Manmohan Singh article- Kind regards--Sikh historian 21:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comments on this talk page

Hey, I saw what you wrote on Talk:Islamophobia about those horrible comments and verified your claims. I'll see how those comments match up with Wikipedia policy and report them to an administrator. If you see any other comments of this type, anywhere on Wikipedia, please feel free to report it to an administrator, or even me. Khuda hafiz, Mar de Sin Speak up! 02:15, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism of Indian Nationalism

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You have made a personal attack on my talk page here. Persist and I will report you without delay. I have been patient with you so far, but I will not be if you persist in insults and ad-hominem attacks. Are we clear?

It is important to keep a cool head, especially when responding to comments against you or your edits. Personal attacks and disruptive comments only escalate a situation; please keep calm and remember that action can be taken against other parties if necessary. Attacking another user back can only satisfy trolls or anger contributors and leads to general bad feeling. Please try to remain civil with your comments. Thanks!

Netaji 11:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

The correct procedure in the case of source dispute is to put a fact tag. You deleted it. That's vandalism.Netaji 11:57, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
With the user above actually trying to get more credible sources on the issue, it is clear he reaslises that the sources were not credible and my editing had logic, he however continues to claim vandalism as well as gives warnings. If you look at the history of his interactions one would find this pattern with multiple users who have a POV that is different from his. Haphar 13:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Netaji

I wrote to you via email. --Woohookitty(meow) 13:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Um. Actually no. :) Once you send it, it's gone. I will say that I blocked him per this. I will say. You were a bit incivil yourself in your initial post to his talk page today. Please be careful. But. That doesn't excuse his behavior. What got him blocked more than anything was this declaration that he wasn't going to AGF anymore. --Woohookitty(meow) 14:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please

Refrain from personal attacks such as the ones you put on Subhash's page after he got blocked and also since then. Other uses making attacks against you doesn't absolve you against making attacks against others. It doesn't work that way. So. Take a deep breath and calm down. Thanks. --Woohookitty(meow) 09:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I should have said being incivil, not personal attacks. In the end, it's just as against policy and it's still something to avoid. You had mentioned to me that it's hard to be civil at times because of what people say to you or how they act towards you. Please read this essay. It's a very nice essay on how to act when things get hot around here. You were blocked just 2 weeks ago for basically engaging in a hot argument. You just need to learn how to stay cool in situations such as this. Postings such as this are what I am talking about. Like I said. Take a breath. Take a few days off from here. Subhose is blocked for 2 weeks and there's a good chance that it'll be made longer once the CheckUser goes through. So. Take a little time off. Relax. You are a good editor. You just need to learn how to stay calm around here. --Woohookitty(meow) 15:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Great! :) I do emphathize. I've been involved in many many battles such as this in my time here. Probably too many. So I understand how it gets. --Woohookitty(meow) 15:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bakasuprman

i think he is a sockpuppet of Subash_Bose... I have provided evidence here... evidence --Geek1975 09:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I am no sock of any user. The next accusation you make, I will report you.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Whoops

I'll reenable it. I had disabled it due to a vandal spamming my account. If you email me now it should work. --Woohookitty(meow) 07:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caste

While your edit [2] tried to cleanup the worst points, I've decided to do a more radical revert. See Talk:Caste#Dalits_attacking_temples. --Pjacobi 08:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re

When did I call you a sock? Cite diffs for that. Lackey? In case you didn't know I also told Neta to lay off and supported Ramas arrow and other users in telling him to restrain the rhetoric. I only speak when he gets blocked because people cough*(User:Geek1975) and other users drag my name in and start things like RfC's, Cabals, and Sock accusations against me. Bakaman Bakatalk 01:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You have an actual response?Bakaman Bakatalk 22:11, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Never mind.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] dillon

Category:Sikh politicians - Changed. The other links did not show a pic of him.Bakaman Bakatalk 22:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please....

refrain from engaging in inane mock sarcasm as you did on Subhash talk again. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Once again you assume that I have read his edits and willfully ignored his transgressions again and that I have been protecting him. A comparison of the block logs tells the truth. As to my warnings, it is just a warning, rather than a block as Subhash gets when he crosses the line. Referring to your self-justification for your counterattack to Subhash, please direct me to the part of WP:NPA where counter-attacks are permitted - and also any reader can easily see that Subhash was blocked for longer, and frequently by myself. Anybody who isn't blind or biased can see that Subhash has been taken to account more than you have. If you look at my contrib log you will see that I have been away during his latest tawdry edit, for which he is now blocked. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I have not countered Subhash but Baka ( now let's hear him say that you accused him of being a sockpuppet) in the discussion, and saw no warning from you ( and still see nothing) on his accusing me/ calling me a troll. Thank you for your action on Subhash. Haphar 09:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Subhash has been blocked for 96 hours anyways. If you post bogus warnings or sarcastic and caustic rants I will remove them.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Charity begins at home so first please do it to your own bogus warnings [3]( for which you have been warned in the past). Also see no attempt by you to remove all the bogus warnings Subhash has indulged in. On my page [4] as well of others[5] and [6] Any reason for this differing standard ? Haphar 09:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hornplease removed my comments from a talk page. Kennethtennyson blanked a whole section of Indian nationalism, Yeditor called many users "Hindu vandals". I dont know or care of his warning to you, except that you probably deserved it.Bakaman Bakatalk 01:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure which is why both you and Subhash have got warnings for leaving vandal tags on people's talk pages. :-). Haphar 06:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Could you guys all stop sparing for at least a day? It's just incredible to me. --Woohookitty(meow) 11:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I really wish that you would take this more seriously. --Woohookitty(meow) 01:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please

If you think that Subhash and Bakasuprman are the same person, then request a CheckUser. Otherwise, stop accusing them of being the same, as you did here and here. If you have evidence, present it at WP:RfCU. --Woohookitty(meow) 01:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mahawiki and Arya

Haphar, my advice to you is dont get sucked into a conversation with these guys. You will only end up wasting a lot of time. "Vandalism" seems to be some kind of tantric chant for these guys and they have no idea where and when to use it. In their view, all non-Marathi editors who edit articles related to Marathi and Maharashtra are 'vandals' and all the edits they make are 'vandalism'. These are people who cry hoarse that the Kannada article is Kannadised!! LOL :D I am tempted to throw an accusation that the Marathi article is Marathi-ised, but then I'd have to stoop to levels I am incapable of, to do or say something like that.

As for the other articles(Kannada, Rajkumar, Kaveri, Rashtrakuta etc.,) that these guys mention on every damn talk page they edit, I request you to please go through any or all of those articles if it pleases you. If you find any instances of 'Kannadisation'(whatever that means) or any instances of POV pushing on my part, please let me know. If you dont find any, I request you to please let the admins know. Admin Blnguyen has some background about these guys and I request you to please drop him a line about the blatant misinformation campaign these people are indulging in. Sarvagnya 17:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kannadaization?Dineshkannambadi 20:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sir, All the topics about which this rowdy user Mahawiki is brawling about are topics that are part of Karnataka culture. Kannada is the language of Karnataka, if this page does not talk or Kannada, which page should? Marathi page?. Kaveri is a river born in Karnataka and flows thru Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. When Kannadaigas and Tamils (who live in Tamil Nadu) are not fighting on wikipedia over this, who is this Maharashtrian to comment on Kaveri. Kannada culture finds its birth on the banks of Kaveri, Tungabhadra and Krishna rivers. If we dont talk of Kannada and Karnataka on this page, who should? Mahawiki a stranger to South India? Rajkumar is the doyan of Kannada culture who brough pride and dignity to Kannada film industry. If we dont talk of his contribution to Kannada , who should? The people of Bombay who patronize the Hindi Film Industry? Rashtrakutas were an empire that found its birth in Kannada territory, encouraged Kannada culture, language and literature. If we dont write about Kannada literature and the glory of this empire who should? Maharashtrians who speak volumes of the Maratha empire and none else. Moreover, the pages on Kannada and Rashtrakuta comes with fully referenced citations from well know scholarly sources. Who is this guy to comment on these pages when we are not commenting on Maharashtra, Maratha, Marathi and Maratha empire. This is a clear case of prejudice and hatred. He has been harrasssing people and being uncivil for the fun of it. He has been blocked before for his uncivil manners.

Dinesh Kannambadi

[edit] bits starting to fall off Wikipedia?

it's difficult. this isn't just about a crisis of various special interest groups anymore. I suppose that those of trollish disposition are taking advantage of a moment of weakness in the overall organisational structure of Wikipedia. A crisis, in a nutshell; please see the content of User_talk:Giano for my take on the bigger picture. dab (ᛏ) 10:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Being an admin

It's a good question. I sometimes wonder myself why I bother. :) But you know, I became an admin to help out the project by deleting unwanted pages and all of that. At first, I got way too heavy into POV battles. At one point, I had 3 Arbcom cases going at once. Since then, I've slowed down quite a bit. I try to have just 2 or 3 things going at once. And yes, I do alot of editing. Alot of admins don't, sad to say. But I try to balance the 2. If you look at my contribs, I do alot of the cleanup projects, like stubsensor (removing the stub tag from articles that don't need it) and also wikification and all of that. Without doing that stuff, I'd go nuts. I will say that this week is unusual. I usually get a post or two a day on my talk page. I got 10 new headers a couple of days ago. I just try to roll with the punches, but yes, it's difficult sometimes. And I do look at articles like Anarchism and others and I wonder if it's too much to handle. I've learned to say no sometimes and to not get into arguments with people if it's possible.

Anyway, I appreciate the question. I do wonder why I bother sometimes, but then I go do a cleanup project and I'm ok again. Just a matter of balancing the 2. But yes, sometimes I am ready to throw this laptop at something. lol --Woohookitty(meow) 11:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ReplyDineshkannambadi 12:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for reply. The problem with this user in question is inspite of quoting reputed sources, providing reference books, he is convinced that the pages under question is a fabrication. If you read the discussion (if you have time time, since it is long) you will see a clear tendency to discard any information that is not Pro "his liking" and a habit of discrediting well known authors by calling them names. We are talking about winners of "Padma Bhushan", "sahitya academy awards" etc. Clearly the user in question is not very knowledgeable about history nor does he have the habit of reading books, which is fine so long as he does not discredit months worth of work put in by others. Brawling seems to be the way matters are resolved by some people. Hopefully he will focus on issues that he is really interested in and can understand. In the meantime we have to continue to contribute and not let the world stop us from doing the right thing.

Dinesh Kannambadi

[edit] Kannadi

Thanks for ur reply.Kannadi is not a offensive term.The people of Karnataka are known as Kannada or Kannadis here.Insistance of kannadid word is like insistance of "Bhartiya" for Indians or "Marathi Manoos" for Maharashtrians.I*f u dont believe me,see-

Since the discussion between me and Arya is personal we are free to talk in any language we want.You are requested to not comment on our personal conversations. I was amused to see Sarvagnya being too cosy with u for 'dropping a line' about me in admin's talk!So should I sue him for that?I would request u to be neutral.

mahawiki 14:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] guru gobind singh

i replied here too. I knew that but was surprised not to find that on wiki. Can you add that passage on the article, that you told me.--nids(♂) 09:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian and Pakistani Nationalism

Based on your contribs history it would seem that you have an interest in military history. Could you expand the Military achievements section in the Indian Nationalism article with specific victories (like the paratrooper landings in Dhaka during 1971, The Garibpur battle,Basantar,Longewala etc., as well as stuff from Kargil, and the SI War too), seeing as how the Pakistani nationalism editors aim to do the same anyway?Hkelkar 09:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] marxist and marxism

lets keep this discussion here. All i was saying was that it is irrelevant to discuss the views of authors on other pages. They can be discussed on the main pages. But there was no point in saying something like this.nids(♂) 10:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding, your last post to dab's page, isnt it true that all these authors(including Romila Thapar) are hardline marxists.nids(♂) 11:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I havent read much about the works of Romila Thapar. But if you have graduated from CBSE, then it wont be hard for you to identify the undue bend towards marxism in our textbooks. Arun Shourie is not the only author to have refuted them. Even VS Naipaul has done so.nids(♂) 17:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I am surprised you are saying this. I just went back to check my class VI history textbook and there was just one sentence in chapter Coming of the Aryans that aryans can refer to liguistics in the whole chapter. Otherwise the whole chapter was full of crap. Similarly, i will have to work through my civics textbook to explicitly find the passages wherein they show their undue bent towards left. Even our constitution says that we are sovereign socialist secular democratic republic.--nids(♂) 14:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
its true that Naipaul was initially critical of india but pilloried will not be the correct word. And as far as i know, he did a good research on history, not just of india, but the whole third world.--nids(♂) 14:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not disputing that marxist has been used with negative connotations in India. So is the term eminent historians. Marxist, in my view, will refer to those historians who are ultrabent towards the left. If you can go through any chapters devoted to or authored by Nehru, you will find that bend. One of them is Tryst with Destiny in our english books. I guess 11th or 12th. --nids(♂) 14:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that you go through this book. At times it is exaggeration, but generally it is a factual description of events. You are right that India was proud for its ridiculous socialist ideologies till 1990. But then it grew up.--nids(♂) 17:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem is not that they had huge writeups on Marxists, The problem was that they showed them in positive light. We know that Stalin is responsible for genocides, but this is systematically avoided in our textbooks. There are more than a few reliable sources to back up the claim of mughal atrocities. The fact that Qutub Complex is built after demolishing 27 previous temples is not mentioned in any of our history books. (reliable reference = John keay's History of India, often quoted by discovery channel). I personally know many people who didnt knew about this fact. I request you to not just read leftist reviews of his books. Go through it and then tell me if you find something wrong in it. By the way, What would you call those people who say that Uniform Civil code is a Hindutva propoganda. (whenever anybody says so, i just remember the book Protocols of the elders of zion).--nids(♂) 08:47, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
For pushyamitra, this is a good article. Secondly, what is the correct term for those people who say that Uniform Civil code is a Hindutva propoganda. --nids(♂) 09:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
You are wrong on Christ too. its just a part of anti-semitism that jews killed christ. read further here. i again request you to go through Shourie's book. Yes he is a journalist first, but that doesnt mean that everything else he will do would be just crap. Try finding some of valid criticism of the book. I am again telling you that i am not a fan of fanatic hindutva. I just hate when a good movie like Water(film) is banned in India. But i do understand the frustration of the masses due to the double standards of Pseudo-secularists.--nids(♂) 09:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the shariat is not restricted to the atrocities on women. You may go through it for details. we are lucky that we do not follow the criminal versions, but even the shariat civil code is inexplainable for a modern society.
Inequality of women in Islam is a separate issue. It is understandable that those who could not go to court (or dont want to) dont get justice. But the worse part is that even those who want justice cannot get it because our laws discriminate against them. Educating masses is a different thing, but what good will they do if our laws continue to discriminate.--nids(♂) 11:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
if there is any kind of "toe our line and be grateful we let you exist" secularism, than i will be the first one to speak against it. I would strongly object if you say the current secularism is less Psuedo than the Sangh's version. The current secularism is something that forces Salman Rushdie to leave his own country. And if you think that more wives are liability, than why cant you extend this liability to Hindus/Sikhs/christians. Why are you forcing people like Dharmendra to officially convert to Islam. When something is illegal for one person why does it become legal for another person. Just because he follows a "religion of peace". I would like to explain you why is it pseudo-secularism. Our Civil laws were revised during 1955. The then government (rightly) excluded some of the absurd provisions of Hindu Civil code.(i remember one of them, it was that persons belonging to the same gotra cannot marry each other.) even then, Some of the fanatics were against it (and i dont support those fanatics). But those pseudo-secularists, for some reason, didnt touch Muslim Civil law. --nids(♂) 13:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
You have got some of the facts wrong. Dharmendra is officially a muslim (i.e. legally). i dont want to go into details of this case. But after 1995 supreme court judgement, if anybody emulates him, i.e. marries first wife under HCC and then converts to Islam to marry a second wife, he could be prosecuted.
Secondly, it was exactly what i am saying. it is understandable if some illitrate people in the Khap Panchayat's still hold up marraiges within Gotra's in Haryana and Western U.P, despite the law permitting. But it is ridiculous if it you make their actions legal. I agree that even if you have Uniform civil code, there will be muslims with four or even more wives. But when a law permits them to do so, it is nothing but anachronistic. nids(♂) 14:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi pleased to meet you, I see you have prevent vandalism on the Punjab India article before. There has be an anon (203.197.216.5), making constant POV changes to India (Punjab) article, he's already been formally warned for unilaterally deleting detailed political information without calling for discussion, debate or vote. I think if you followed it up by giving another formal warning your self it would help- just use the warning already issued. Thanks--Sikh 1 12:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

And look at the posts on his anon user page personally I was digusted by the comment (100% opposed & disagree to the comment) "I saw Sikhs are a valuable ally against muslims".--Sikh 1 12:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Punjab (India)

There is a separate article on Khalistan and its talk page has enough discussion on the subject. The fact remains that the armed struggle began much earlier ... the extent of fortification in the Golden Temple and the events that led to the operation go a long way in proving that. AnwarA 16:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that the section, in particular the Para on Khalistan need only present a high level summary since there is already a (rather controversial) article on Khalistan already. :-) AnwarA 16:30, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, first of all, I appreciate your willingness to discuss before reverting edits. This is not something very commonly seen on Wikipedia. As for the article and the subject of Khalistan, if you see the Khalistan talk page, you would realize I have been involved in a lot of discussion ad-nauseam with a number of rogue editors and have been called names like Hindu Bigot and stuff like that. So not that I am averse to discussing, but this discussion thing does not seem to work on this subject (like many others). I have made some changes to the article that you might find appropriate. But if you don't please feel free to revert to a version of your choice and I will not revert your edits. Thanks and good luck!AnwarA 04:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pakistani nationalism

The article just got unprotected.I would appreciate your erudition in the talk page and if you could please lend a hand in monitoring the edits there for anti-India POV then that would be great. Thank you very much.Hkelkar 18:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOnsense

Take a look at thi sutter nonsense about "Bangladeshi victory" in 2001.

Indo-Bangladesh Conflict of 2001.


Hkelkar 23:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Prakash Utsav

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