User talk:Handicapper

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This is a list of my contributions to the WikiProject Thoroughbred racing. Should you have an interest, please feel free to edit these however you see best:

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2 DYK
3 Edward D. Brown
4 Did You Know?
5 DYK
6 Ben Ali Stakes
7 Did you know
8 Blue Peter etc.
9 Did you know
10 Salvator (horse)
11 Did you know?

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[edit] DYK

On 12 October 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Edward D. Brown, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Konst.able 06:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edward D. Brown

Nice work on Edward D. Brown - thank you for adding it to Wikipedia. cbustapeck 13:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did You Know?

On 4 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Forward Pass (horse), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On November 10, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Noor (horse), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Ali Stakes

Right on the official Keeneland racetrack site that gives the history of the races run there, it says: "The Ben Ali Stakes, named for noted Thoroughbred breeder and financier James Ben Ali Haggin (1821-1914), had its inaugural running at the Kentucky Association track in Lexington in 1917."

I shall cite this now.

As for Haggin breeding Firenzi, this is stated in Robertson's "History of Thoroughbred Racing History in America," on page 143. I quote: "The greatest runner bred by Haggin was a mare, Firenzi, winner of the..." and so forth and so on. But I see that in her pedigree, it is stated she was bred by Daniel Swigert and owned by Haggin. Hmmmm, where to go from here? I need another source.

As for the "misleading" links, I take your point. This was done only a few times, and won't be done (by me) again. Thank you, ...Ki Longfellow 21:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

On 20 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sarazen, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 10:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Peter etc.

You seem to be interested in the Rosebery studs - any chance of a page on them? Giano 13:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm not very knowledgable on blood stock in depth, but if ever you do the Rosebery Studs I may have a few photographs and a little bit of knowledge, let me know when you have time. Regards Giano 15:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, the address of the Rosebery studs is confusing, and one of those things that only happen in Britain. Mentmore the place is in Buckinghamshire. Leighton Buzzard the nearest town is in Befordshire. The people of Mentmore, Crafton and Ledburn pay their local taxes to Buckinghamshire but do their local shopping and errands in Leighton Buzzard. The Mentmore Towers is not a castle but a Victorian mansion barely a 150 rears old, and Rosebery was an Earl not a Duke, an (Earl is two down on a Duke). Incidentally the 5th Earl of Rosebery who was the first of the Earl's to win the Derby barely knew how to ride a horse, his son was the big owner who rode to hounds etc. The 5th Earl acquired Crafton through marriage, and built Mentmore Stud himself, both are within half a kilometre of each other and the mansion. If you want to know more about them read this page here [1], I may even finish it one day. Both stud farms are today defunct, but the buildings in various forms remain, but there is a lot of British bloodstock history there. Giano 21:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh and just to add to the confusion half the google references (especially the 19th century ones) to Mentmore Stud are wrong they should read Crafton Stud, Mentmore was not built untill anout 1912, the paddocks may have been there, but they were officially part of Crafton Stud at that time, I think after Mentmore was built it became the more famous (hence the confusion) because it was the "public stud" where anyone could send a mare (for a fee) to be mounted by the Rosebery stallions ("Crooner" and The "Duke of Ragusa" was the last in 1974?) while Crafton became private housing just the Roseberys own mares and foals. Giano 21:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Forget the name "Reddings" it is the new name (as in last two years) of an old farm house that once formed part of Crafton Stud, it is now all sold and divided up - hence more confusion...If you immagine a great house in a park - half a kilometer to the west in Crafton, half a kilometer to the east is Mentmore each village had a stud farm both owned by the same man. Perhaps it would be easier if I start a page with the geography and some odd fact, what do you suggest it should be called, I don't think there is enough fo an article on each stud - probably Mentmore stud as that is the most famous with a section on Crafton? Giano 22:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I've just written this quick stub Mentmore and Crafton Studs with redirects from both individual studs. If you want to edit it, please do, I shall add some more tomorrow, The horses you just mentioned are not buried at Mentmore Stud, but in the grounds of Mentmore Towers, if you check out Dalmeny House then follow the links to it's RL website you will see a statue of King Tom that until the 1970s stood on top of his grave at Mentmore. If you look at Mentmore Towers the lead image was taken by someone standing almost on the graves of King Tom, Blue Peter and Ocean Swell, other great horses were buried in the woods behind the house, lesser horses went to the hunt kennels! Giano 23:06, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The image I've just uploaded on the page is the statue of King Tom when it was in situ on the grave in the 1970s - other Derby winners were buried just to the right of it. Giano 23:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Hawbridge Stables is again a new name, for a cottage and a few stables once part of Crafton Stud, now sold off Today it is a private house with a few stables attached, probably housing the kid's donkey. Crafton is a very small village (a hamlet really) when the Rosebery's owned it all the houses there had names like 1, 2, 3, 14 Crafton etc. Now they are owned by upwardly mobile individuals who prefer to call their houses by quaint names. In Lord Rosebery's time there was just Crafton Stud at Crafton, and Mentmore Stud at Mentmore no other names were used. Before Mentmore Stud was built in 1914 (I looked the date up) part of the site was called "Manor Farm", and part was the former kennels of the Stag hounds. When there is room on the page (page is longer) I will upload somemore pictures.

Incidentally the document giving you all your information is a blue print for establishing a conservation area at Crafton drawn uo by the local authority, ironically that same authority are now attempting to drive a major new road with in meters of the place! Giano 05:28, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know

On 24 November 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Graustark (horse), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 17:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Salvator (horse)

Hi, before I tidy up that move, let me get it clarified: Do you want the page at Salvator or at Salvator (horse)? Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, for the moment I've put it back to Salvator (horse), but feel free to move it wherever you like - just make sure you don't do it by copy-and-paste. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did you know?

On 2 December 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Winning Colors (horse), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 17:17, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

On December 14, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bertrando, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for the great horseracing articles Handicapper. This article kindly nominated by User:GeeJo - feel free to self-nominate in future. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

		The Running Man Barnstar
		This barnstar awarded to Handicapper for his outstanding article contributions in equine racing sports Blnguyen (bananabucket) 01:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)