Talk:Han chauvinism
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[edit] POV check and references
Since there are no references in the article, it is difficult to ascertain if the POV is neutral or not. --Viriditas | Talk 21:23, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
The article is chock-full of (Harvard style)references. Look it up. The problem is that someone's lifted the article from a journal and neglected to include the full sources which should follow, not to mention the quotation marks which should enclose the second paragraph. More to the point, to cut and paste an article, post it under the author's name and then start editing it is highly dubious practice. In doing so you are utterly misrepresenting the guy. (Of course, to post it not under the author's name would be straight-up plagiarism.) The article itself is, in my opinion and if you follow the sources in the original, well-supported and neutral. It is also backed up by plenty of other work (eg. Harrell, S. ed. "Cultural Encounters on China's Ethnic Frontiers pub. University of Washington Press 1995). The article should be cited as a reference in the main piece. I might also mention copyright violation.
- article's changed substantially since whoever it was lifted it from the journal. most of the inflammatory/unsupported material has been removed. see history. --Sumple (Talk) 03:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
The article still lacks references, so I've tagged it. It also contains many statements that are off topic. —Babelfisch
[edit] Not NPOV and bordering on racism
- This topic is highly inflammatory and has not being supported by facts.
I have never heard of the chinese terms to describe Han chauvinism being used ever, whether in chinese literature or general speech. Unless people can provide legitimate facts on this issue, this topic should be removed.[[User:Rapier28|Rapier28] 13:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)Rapier28
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- Just because you never heard of it, doesn't mean that such a sentiment doesn't exist. In fact, i am quite proud to be a Han culturalist, me and some friends on a Chinese forum tried to revive traditional Han Chinese clothing. We had organized quite a few Han Chinese clothing gathering both in China and overseas. This picture on the left side is one of example.赵里昱 14:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
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- The confusion here is between POV and PC. The article is not politically correct; it is, I think, not inaccurate for that reason. Let me offer an illustration: A chap at one of New York's city colleges recently delivered a presentation on Chinese multi-ethnic performing arts. All of his examples were taken from mass-entertainments — Chinese New Year TV spectaculars, National Day events in Beijing and so on. All such events include ostensibly representative minority-ethnicity contributions; all are heavily choreographed by directors with strong Han-dominant aesthetics, as can easily be seen when comparing the choreographed performances with more "anthropological" films, e. g.. We can ask why this chap, who bills himself as multiculturally, multi-ethnically sensitive, would elect to use "sanitized" examples. Several reasons suggest themselves; at least one is the need to acknowledge Han supremacy, at least a sort of ethnic "primus inter pares" status. Now, that is not PC here; it might be entirely PC among Chinese, especially those who are, as I suspect is the case of this particular CUNY don, politically hoffähig.To acknowledge that this exists, especially in the relatively terse way it is here, is not indicative of a failure of neutrality. Or, to put it bluntly, racism — better, and more embracing: cultural bigotry — is commonplace. Acknowledging it in China is merely sound scholarship, inherent neutral. --djenner 00:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Removed text
I removed: "In recent years, some young people tried to revive traditional Han Chinese clothing using internet based forum. They had organized quite a few Han Chinese clothing gathering both in China and overseas. This picture on the left side is one of example. Han Chinese clothing was lost in China for 360 as a result of Manchus invasion and the resulting occupation of the whole of China from 1644 to 1911."
This does not have anything to do with Han chauvinism. It has to do with Han cultural revival, which is not necessarily chauvinistic. I do not think the Hanfu movement has any significant to warrant any mention in this encyclopedia.--Jiang 06:08, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] POV!!!! Super POV!
Did anyone notice that this is like, a Japanese fabrication? Japanese? Chinese? Hello? How POV can you get? Ok I don't want to get into an argument about the reliability or the integrity of the scholarly works cited, but think about it: Can you imagine an article called "Anglo-Saxon chauvinism"?? Or "African-American chauvinism"? --Sumple 11:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
- We actually do have articles on those concepts, see Eurocentrism, Dead white males, etc. As I said on the AFD page, Google Scholar turns up 866 hits for the term Han chauvinism. —thames 16:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
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- After reading comments on the AfD page and doing a bit of google search myself, I realise that this is a valid term. However, some of the statements made in the article are deliberately misleading, and I'll be editing them. Thanks for your help. --Sumple 00:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I've done some edits, mainly to correct the meaning of the four "deorgatory terms". I still have concerns about the neutrality of that Japanese reference. The title sounds... paranoid... <.< --Sumple 01:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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- This is coming in a long time afterwards, but the Japanese newspaper referred to, the Sankei, is noted in Japan for being anti-Chinese.
- Bathrobe 09:32, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
I have tried to make the article more NPOV. I also explained why the term is now perceived as pejorative and added that the PRC is against the ideals of Han chauvinism (that is, Manchu-bashing and minority-bashing are illegal in the PRC). Han chauvinism in its pure ideological form is racist, hate-mongering and evil; it is equivalent to notions of white supremacy and notions of the Aryan master race in northern Europe. However, the term Han chauvinism today is widely misused and misrepresented, to the point that using the term Han chauvinism is often done to insult or attack ordinary Han Chinese. For example, Japanese and American right-wing forums often attack the Han Chinese for being "Han chauvinists", implying that the Han Chinese are racists. This is like saying whites in the US today are white supremacists and inherently racist or intolerant. 68.252.250.228 11:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
According to professor Endymion Wilkinson, "The austroasiatic language of the Shang was descended from the Dongyi peoples of Shandong and to the South" -"Chinese History: A Manual" (pg.21) So I'm still a bit curious as to where some people argue that Dongyi people were Northeast Asian. According to many sinologists (I'm simply using Wilkinson as an example), the Dongyi people were probably more related to Austronesians along the coast of Southeastern China.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.84.209.254 (talk)
[edit] DongYi
I removed "The Dongyi are said to form the main part of the Han Chinese today."
Han Chinese is considered mainly Huaxia.
I removed the subsequent claim that Shang is Dongyi. [[1]] Basically proposes all 8 directions, including the Xia Dynasty territory itself, as possible origins of the Shang. In short, origins of the Shang are disputed, and therefore cannot be attributed to Dongyi. Hanfresco 21:11, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
