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Han Suyin was probably born not in 1917, but in 1916: http://www.asiawind.com/hakka/hansuyin.htm (in English) http://dikigoros.t35.com/frauen/hansuyin.htm (in German). 19:05, 23 August 2005 62.246.121.217

That evidence is not very strong: "I checked the Chinese lunar calendar and found out that it should be 1916, the year of the dragon, not as all the documents stated 1917", states one site, and the other site - besides expressing profound hatred for Wikipedia ("... deren Betreiber sich anheischig machen, ein "Universal-Lexikon" zu erstellen, indem sie möglichst viele Köche einen Brei anrühren lassen, der dann von irgendwelchen politisch-korrekten Zensoren vollends verdorben wird ..."), linking to pornography and containing racist jibes -, is just way beyond serious research. Their mathematic play with her birthday, combined with the assumption that her father must have been Yi ("Lolo"), is rather dubious.
Maybe fun to read as a polemic diatribe against Han Suyin (and the Chinese people and communism and university students in their first year, etc.), but many of the other "facts" presented are also plainly wrong. I don't think these are reliable sources. Even if we'd come to the conclusion that Han Suyin's statement about her date of birth are contradictory, it seems much more probable to me that she was right about the date and wrong about the circumstances. Babelfisch 01:44, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, Babelfisch, it seems to me that those two guys know a good deal more about China and the Chinese than you do, and that they have done some serious research of their own on HSY, instead of just copying what has been written and rewritten elsewhere. What they say about the Chinese calendar is simply right -- wonder if you checked it yourself --, all their quotations are correct, and their conclusions are very, very convincing, whereas your personal attacks against them are obviously unfounded: I can't see any pornografic content on their websites, the link given by you is dead. If people like you are "making" Wikipedia, I can even understand their arguments against it. Their websites on HSY are far superior to this Wikipedia stumb. But if even links on such superior websites are libelled and slandered by unserious people like you, Wikipedia will never be more than a bunch of scribblers. -- Peter / 62.246.100.148 14:46, 30 August 2005
To answer the only factual argument in your statement: The content of the [page] I was referring to above has changed since I last accessed it, but it is still there, now (9:00 AM, August 31st, 2005) containing only two links to pornographic sites, and nothing else. I don't know what has happened to his site, but there are several links to his pages on Wikipedia, and they all have become dead:
So much about a superior website "with slandered and libelled links".
And just for the record: This is just a discussion, even 62.246.121.217 - whoever that is - didn't change the article itself. It seems not even he or she was convinced. — Babelfisch 01:50, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I am convinced, as I said, but I am not one of the "makers" of Wikipedia, not even a member, just a reader. And as far as I can see, any changes not appreciated by the "makers" are removed, so I won't spend my time on such futile activities. Whoever is interested in HSY can find excellent information on the two sites cited above.
As for "invalid" sites: I checked that, too. You are again wrong, the first two links are just perfect, the third (Wikipedia) site doesn't exist (!), and link # 4 would be perfect, too, were it not that some idiot has messed up the URL from "[...] dikigoros [...]" to "di kigoros" (with a blank)! I'd recommend to repair it, but again, that's not my baby, but yours. By the way, I found the new URL of the site you call "pornographic" and I still can't see your point. It is an annotated article by the German news magazine "Der Spiegel" about an exhibition, and there's no porno content whatsoever. -- Peter / 62.246.94.8, 13:36, 1 September 2005
If you don't consider your self a "maker" of Wikipedia, you could spare us your abuse as well and leave "our baby" alone.
Corrected third link: de:Diskussion:Tschernobyl#Name. Two of the other links are not invalid, just censored in China. :( — Babelfisch 01:38, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Who is abusing whom? Still, you are abusing other sites and lying about their pretended "pornography" and "racism". I think it is time to correct yourself. What pornography? What racism? I don't know how good your German is. If anything can be concluded from your name, you're probably from Israel, and therefore inclined to take everything German for "racist". But if I read it well, the author just wants to tell us that the Chinese are racists, and as far as I know, he is surely right. By the way, the fact that you're apparently sitting in China, your brain hampered by censorship, proves whose song you're singing - just like HSY. Peter
PS: After you corrected the third link, it works perfectly, too, so everything you said about those links was a lie. 72.176.239.701 6:01, 2 September 2005
Oh, finally you got it - the explanation for everything: I'm a Jew, notorious liar and "sitting in China". For me, the discussion ends at this point. There are arguments that I just can't undercut. — Babelfisch 00:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
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