Talk:Hamilton Tigers

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I see no reason to merge the entries. It is already the practice that shifted franchises keep their old entries -- cf. the separate entries for the Whalers, the Nordiques, the North Stars, the Jets, etc. -- and technically the Tigers and the Americans were not the same franchise: the New York franchise was granted *before* Hamilton's was revoked. See Charles Coleman's Trail of the Stanley Cup, Vol I. A mention in both articles as to the disposition of Hamilton's players makes sense, but no more than that.

That is fair enough. Basically, I noticed that both articles were stubs and both articles are "almost" the same team. I put the requested merger up to see what other people thought. I actually agree that they are better as separate articles. Thanks for your insight. I will take down my merger request. Masterhatch 6 August 2005

[edit] Improving the article

I live in Hamilton and I've actually researched the Hamilton Tigers franchise to a certain extent and I feel that the article is lacking in some respects, the author perhaps not having access to contemporary newspaper articles about the Tigers; I'd like to make wholesale corrections, but I know that these will just be deleted or altered, so I couldn't be bothered. However, I wanted to point out a few things: the supposed Tigers' head logo is, as far as I can determine, was used only during the 1922-23 season; the standard logo was the H with TIGERS through the bar on the H. The Tigers' head logo, incidently, was used following the demise of the Tigers franchise by Hamilton's senior OHA team. As for the Tiger's official colours, I can't recall any of the newspaper articles about the Tigers that I've read ever stating anything about the uniforms having either orange or white on them. The team's colours were black and yellow.

I am very open minded to change and if you were to change the article to make it more accurate, I wouldn't revert or alter. I was one of the primary writers of this article and honestly, I have never been to Hamilton nor do I have a lot of access to information about the Tigers. I expanded this article with information that I found on the Internet (and we all know how reliable that is, eh?). If you could come in and add more and fix any errors, I would be very thankful. So, be bold and make some great changes! Of course, if you are worried about your edits being reverted, then cite a source and then you won't have to worry about that. Masterhatch 06:19, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Wholesale edits that come with cites and sources don't get reverted. Now as it happens, contemporary sources are available -- I've a number myself, and sooner or later (for instance) will get around to changing the persistent fiction that the New York Americans are the relocated Americans rather than Dwyer buying out the old players from a revoked franchise, as happened with Chicago and Detroit. (Heck, why not now?) RGTraynor 10:23, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I removed the logo provided because it was a poor replica of the original. I am trying to upload a copy of the H logo but am having difficulty doing so--it's the only logo floating around that looks like the original. Hopefully someone else can have more success than me.

[edit] Jersey Colours

I am from Hamilton (born and raised) and there's an avid sports card amd memorabilia collector in town named Leo Savelli that use to have an origianl Hamilton Tigers game worn jersey hanging from the front window of his store. I remember as a kid staring at that jersey and it was black-and-yellow not black-and-orange.

The next question now I have to ask myself is 'Was that actually an original Tigers jersey he had or a fake? The second thing I personally recall is roughly 10-years ago having a discussion with a neighbour of mine who since then has passed away and he told me that when he was a kid his father use to take him down to the Barton street Arena to watch the Hamilton Tigers and he told me that the jersey colours were in fact Black-and-Gold and not Black-and-Yellow. Gold as in mid range between yellow and orange.

The next thing that comes to mind for me regarding the jerseys are the Tigers played in an Era when there was no TV and not that many photographs were taken of the players back then like today and the very few photos we do have of these Tigers' players are in black-and-white which doesn't help matters here.

The next area I looked into when I started researching the history of the Hamilton Tigers roughly 10-years ago was I payed a visit to the local Hamilton Public Library in the History department (3rd-floor) and looked through some old micro film of newspaper articles from the 1920s. Today Hamilton has one daily newspaper called the Hamilton Spectator but back then Hamilton was a 3-newspaper town and most of the information that I was able to track down on the Hamilton Tigers came from The Hamilton Herald. In the instances that I was able to find where it stated the teams jersey colours they were described as being "black and gold."

I'll have more too add to this on a later date when I get copy of actual articles describing the Tigers' jersey colours. Nhl4hamilton 4:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I've seen a color plate of the jersey, but it's an artist's rendition done in the 1960s, for what it's worth. The plate supports your finding of "gold" as in a somewhat orangy yellow. RGTraynor 18:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

OK sounds good. Thanks Nhl4hamiltonNhl4hamilton 06:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)