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[edit] Going to Archive, Push to a Resolution of the Name Issue

Dear Haldrik: In attempt to get things back on track, if it's OK with you, I'm going to archive the whole lot, propose we focus on the text of the article and not on debate of the facts and try to move us on. It is clear to me that Jesus = Joshua = Y'Shua, but no amount of debating is going to change minds. I will try to list the options, then list reasons why or why not we should do one or the other and move us to discuss which will work. I'm going to ask everyone not to get into the debate over the name itself again. Does this work for you? Bob --CTSWyneken 14:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I'll lay off archiving the name discussion, but I think the debate over the name is not getting anywhere. You've established that scholars see it that way and no amount of arguing is going to change the others. We'll simply go around in circles, something I have little patience for anymore. Let's lay the issue on the table and let it rest. We should get to what we want the paragraph to look like. I'd appreciate it if you would simply say "Scholars believe that Jesus = Y'hoshua" (see documentation above)" and explain why it must be in the first few words of the article and not later on in the article or in the Names and Titles of Jesus article. Others will make their points and we'll see where it comes out. Personally, I think referents to forms in other languages are confusing to a reader who comes to an encyclopedia without knowledge of that language. I'd prefer to save it for later.
Anyway, it's time this was over so I can get back to documenting, which this debate has delayed. (again) My students are calling... Later. Bob --CTSWyneken 15:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Wow I'm learning a lot about stuff I always considered "squiggles" - sorry!. It looks like there is consensus to add your information (makes sense to me) so now it's just a matter of where. A short mention in Jesus is probably all that is needed as it is an "overview" article but this does look like the sort of elaboration that should be in Historical Jesus. If it's not there already I would appreciate you adding it as it would be a shame to not have this very valid information somewhere. SophiaTalkTCF 12:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

Hi, Haldrik,

The biggest "contributor" to my stress level actually has nothing to do with Wikipedia--it's my physical health (I've got something that acts like rheumatoid arthritis, and today's a pretty bad day). So it's probably just the best thing to do to walk away for a while so I don't allow my own bad temper to interfere with the effort.

Do keep up the good fight, as it were ... but it would make it easier if you acknowledge other opinions, even if you disagree with them. Justin Eiler 16:41, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

To your health! --Haldrik 16:54, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I would love your help.

Hi,

I know you are interested in christianity, and I recently started a new wiki over at wikicities which is on the subject of christianity. [1] is the site.

The goal is to have a knowledgebase on christianity from a distinctly "C(hristian)POV" rather than the NPOV. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nsandwich (talk • contribs).

I know you are busy but I am actively seeking new sysops/admins to help me build this site up, and I would be positively thrilled if you could contribute in any capacity whatsoever.

Hi, my main interest is Roman Period Israeli archeology. Regarding Jesus, my interest is the reconstructing his ancient context. I am busy, but if there is something specific you would like me to contribute to, let me know, and I'll see what I can. --Haldrik 23:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Well, I for one certainly appreciate "reconstructing his ancient context." Who exactly were the Pharisees, Saducees, et al? For that matter, who was Pontius Pilate? Grigory Deepdelver AKA Arch O. LaTalkTCF 19:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of Jesus

Please take all further proposed changes to Talk. Thanks. Jayjg (talk) 21:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

No matter how frustrated you get (and I do empathise) it is never helpful to make personal comments about another editor. If you have cooled off a bit it might be a good idea to remove your last post. Pansy Brandybuck AKA SophiaTalkTCF 21:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your advice. I think about this dilemma all the time, about when to be patient versus when to be candid. You are probably right. And I did need to hear it again. --Haldrik 21:59, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture of 'Codex of Aleppo'

Dear Haldrik, the image you contributed to the community is badly needed to illustrate the equivalent article in the German Wikipedia as well, but I need to be sure that it is under the well-known GNU license. Is it? I did not find any assertion to that, only that it is in the public domain under US law - and that's not enough. --Traugott 22:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear Traugott, correct, this 2-D image of a public domain artwork also falls under the public domain according to US law. If you need a "stronger" copyright usage, you may feel more comfortable to contact the website for special written permission: http://www.aleppocodex.org. The site address can also be found in image description. Haldrik 23:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good edits in Star of David

Thank you for improving Wikipedia! ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

You too! Haldrik 02:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palestine

I see you are actively editing Palestine. I encourage you to add sources/references to your edits, as these have been lacking in this article previously. Having references would be very helpful here. On another note, please be careful to be as neutral as possible, as this article as it stands right now is about a geographic area, and we have traditionally tried not to insinuate to much politicization in the text by making sure it is not written from the specific perspective of one party or another. Thanks much Ramallite (talk) 03:35, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude with my reversions but you must be very careful to add sources at the same time that you add any new passages. Although I understand that you are an expert in the area and you are probably used to being able to add such information based on your own observations, here on wikipedia we are only permitted to add something that has already been published in a reputable and reliable source. Also I would appreciate it if you made large changes to the article over the course of many edits, Thank you.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 23:14, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The whole article lacks sufficient citations! I'll do what I can to start substantiating the info about the ancient periods. --Haldrik 23:21, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
As far as politics goes: Terminology referring to "Israel" seems stronger and more relevant during the Roman Period and earlier. Terminology refering to "Palestine" seems stronger and more relevant during the Byzantine Period and later. During the Modern Period, the State of Israel and the Palestinian Territories make these terminologies complex and highly charged. --Haldrik 23:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't just break it up between the Roman periods and the Byzantine periods (ironic since there is also some sensitivity regarding those names and when those periods branch) since the province was only named Palestina after the Jewish Revolt in the first century AD, and it was only named that so that the name of the Jews' ancient enemy, the philistines, (who had stopped existing as a people centuries before) would be invoked.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 00:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
As far as formal names by government administrations, the Romans only referred to Judea (not including Samaria) as Syria Palaestina. The Byzantines were the first ones to officially use the name Palaestina to refer to entire region (including Judea, Samaria, Galilee, Golan, and so on), corresponding to the modern geographic term "Palestine". Thus, "Palestine" in this wider sense is a Byzantine adaptation (at least officially). --Haldrik 00:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I understand that but I still feel that a primary division between pre-revolt and post-revolt would be more meaningful that Roman and Byzantine, perhaps we can note both of the differences.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 21:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Sounds good. The article can emphasize the Roman Period corresponds to the ethnic cleansing of Judea, and the Byzantine Period to the first (official) use of Palestine as a wider geographic term. --Haldrik 21:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Can you update the count when you add one and respond on my talk page. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 14:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

That was fun. I was able to add two new languages, and added to some previous languages. :) --Haldrik 17:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] R. Cola

"LOL! Each time I see your name, I think "R Cola"." Well, I drink a lot of RC Cola...

It's just a triply mutated version of my given name, Archie. In third grade, when we were learning cursive handwriting, the loop of the e crossed the bar of the i, and a classmate read it as "Archo." This was my nickname for many years. In high school, for some reason, a female classmate changed it to Archola, and the nickname stuck. I started writing it out like a full name, Arch O. La, after I had been on Wikipedia for a few months.

What's a Haldrik?

Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 04:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Arch. Fun. Haldrik is a totally made-up name. I used it as a computer handle and for the sake of consistency I'm stuck with it now. ;) The name used to be unique, but I fear, others have adopted it for themselves. --Haldrik 11:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Try Hal D. Rik. That might remain unique for a while ;) Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 11:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re. your question

...I was already typing the answer at Wikipedia talk:Hebrew before you asked the question ([2]). Hope that helps. --Francis Schonken 09:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

'Preciate it. --Haldrik 09:50, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR on Wikipedia:Hebrew

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing in Wikipedia:Hebrew. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you.

Please use the Wikipedia talk:Hebrew talk page instead of always re-introducing the wp:Hebrew cross-namespace link, which is an incorrectly formatted shortcut. --Francis Schonken 09:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

There are number of technical issues that I'm still trying to familiarize with and sorting out. Your contributions and time are appreciated, and there is at least an attempt to integrate your comments. --Haldrik 10:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

"It is not generally allowed to put links to 'wikipedia:' (= project) namespace pages in wikipedia ARTICLES."

The above policy seems problematic. How can (spontaneous) Wikipedia editors use a standard format if they are unaware of it? I myself have been editing Wikipedia for about a year now and was unawre the Wikipedia:Naming convention even existed. I came across it by accident while Googling the globe a few days ago about another topic. Achieving a standard for Hebrew transcription is notoriously difficult. It requires the consensus and participation (and awareness) of all editors who refer to Hebrew. --Haldrik 11:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus's Genealogy

Hi. Why did you revert the genealogy section? Was it done without discussion? I seemed to have missed it. --Haldrik 22:27, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

We implemented the condensed version we had been working on for weeks. The discussion is there. —Aiden 01:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transliteration of Hebrew

Hi, please keep in mind that naming conventions exist for the purpose of creating a standard on transliteration, not trascription. Please consider that before suggesting, for example, that Het should be kh, which is wrong according to every previous transliteration method (academic and otherwise). Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 18:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Every previous transcription? What about Chet? Chaim, Chanukkah, etc. "Kh" which is non-English for a non-English sound is preferable to "ch" which already represents an English sound. --Haldrik 19:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transliteration of Greek

Hi, you changed some of the transliterations for modern Greek on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Greek). The old ones, which correspond to the UN/ELOT system, were chosen by consensus, no need to change that. Besides, I don't think Koine Greek is modern, that's meant to be 21st century Greek, as it is spoken today. I'm not sure where to place your Koine Greek addition, do you think it belongs in a naming convention? Same for the IPA, that's already covered by the Greek alphabet article. I'm reverting the transliteration changes, Koine and IPA should be discussed. Markussep 09:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe place the tables in the following order: Modern, Byzantine, Koine, Classic. Koine is necessary. Many ancient documents (including the New Testament) are in Koine, which is distinct from both Modern and Classical. The Koine table may need to distinguish between the "official" Attic dialect and Alexandrian/Judean dialect. Byzantine is so close to Modern, perhaps it isnt necessary. --Haldrik 04:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I wonder if this information is in the right place here, it's a naming convention. There is an article Koine Greek. Can you give me an example of an article name that would require a transliteration different from the one proposed for ancient Greek? Markussep 20:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Any name of a person or place from the Hellenistic Period cant be rendered in Classical Greek. --Haldrik 20:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
can or can't? I guess most persons and places from the Hellenistic Period have traditional names in English (at least all bible-related names), so please give some examples of articles that would benefit from this part of the naming convention. I'm not talking about transliteration of texts in koine Greek (like in the koine Greek article), that should be covered by the Transliteration of Greek to the Latin alphabet article. Markussep 11:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
On reflection, everything Greek from Alexander the Great and later, should use Modern Greek as the standard for naming conventions. --Haldrik 00:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palestinian people

Your knowledge over the issue of ancestries is very impressive. Maybe if you have time & will, you can re-edit the section of ancestry in the above article, as it bascially says cannanites are paelstinians and so on. Amoruso 08:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Uggh. There is so much disinformation! I wasnt aware of that article. --Haldrik 08:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Amoruso, stop spreading misinformation! You will not teach Palestinians who they are, what is their heritage, and what is their history.Almaqdisi 19:19, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, the Palestinians sure arent teaching their heritage. Lies and fantasies are not a heritage. Truth is. --Haldrik 21:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm trusting you to get your academic teeth in that article and fix the misinformation ASAP. image:smile.gif Amoruso 05:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joshua

In your edit to remove vandalism on the Joshua article you reverted not just the vandalism but also a 'disputed' tag which had just been replaced by user Derex after I'd removed it. Do you think then, as I do, that this tag is unnecessary? I'm afraid Derex is getting a bit defensive about it so I'd be glad of another opinion on my side. I was just going to discuss on the talk page though, rather than getting into a revert war.--Spondoolicks 22:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree the tag isnt necessary any more. --Haldrik 22:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to Bonobo

Do you happen to have a source for your contribution to the bonobo article? Thanks. bibliomaniac15 23:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It's "common knowledge" but I added several citations that mention it. --Haldrik 00:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Laitman

I've added the "{{prod}}" template to the article Michael Laitman, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Notability). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree, discuss the issues raised at Talk:Michael Laitman. If you remove the {{dated prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. IZAK 04:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with the above. Rather, Laitman is an author of several books and a notable commentator on that subject matter, and mentioned by colleagues. --Haldrik 05:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Haldrik: I was actually being kind. You may also need to read Wikipedia:Undeletion policy as well as Wikipedia:Deletion review. He is not recognzed as a "kabbalist" by anyone except the ignorant. It does not matter if he writes a million books, he is a non-entity in the field of Kabbalah. IZAK 05:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Please tell me who it is that controls the concept of Kabbalah. I'd love to read his list of "approved" kabbalists who no one else is allowed to disagree with. ;) Just because you or I may disagree with Laitman doesnt make him un-notable. Daniel Matt is a notable scholar of Kabbalah, and he recognizes Laitman as a Kabbalist, at least in some sense. If published occultists can be called Hermetic "kabbalists", I don't see how it's possible to argue that Laitman cant be called a "kabbalist". It's better just to mention what notable critics say about Laitman in the article about him. --Haldrik 05:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Who controls the "concept" of anything? Answer: The true experts and not the quacks. For example, who controls the "true concept" of medicine? Easy answer: recognized medical doctors and real scientists and not old wives in kitchens selling their old wives' tales and formulas to the masses who don't know better. So what is needed then is an article about what he is not and not about what he claims to be. There are no "lists" of Kabbalists because true Kabbalists do not advertise themselves on the Internet - that much is known, they must first be recognized and accepted by the true sages of Judaism who are learned in Kabbalah themslves and none of those have come forward to say anything about Laitman or his self-aggrandizing ilk. Most times the true Kabbalists of Judaism are only known centuries after their death, and Laitman is still around trying to make a buck from his books. Suggestion: don't call it "Kabbalah" in association with Laitman et al, rather say it's something like "Michael Laitman's personal homegrown theories about spiritual concepts" or "What Michael Laitman imagines about things" or something like that. But the second that the word "Kabbalah" is used it triggers the alarm bells in the eyes and ears of people who know what Kabbalah means within normative Judaism. IZAK 05:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
"Self-aggrandizing". I understand the criticism. Nevertheless: "recognized and accepted by the true sages of Judaism", and exactly who might these be? As if Jewish scholars and hasidim agree on which thinkers alive today are the "true sages"! --Haldrik 05:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Frot AfD

You submitted an AfD for two articles together, Goy and Frot. AfD requires sperate entries for each article as the articles have different subject matter. I recognize from your entry that you essentially consider them similar enough to put them together. I think it is likely that others would not agree. Anyway, AfD requires one entry per article.

My apologies for stepping on your toes. Please submit a sperate entry for Frot if you think it is appropriate. Regards to you, Atom 10:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I was confused. Someone else is trying to delete them though, see [3] Atom 18:47, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, once again someone is trying to delete it. Please see and respond here[4] Atom 03:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sincere thanks

Humble and very sincere thanks for your opinion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yeshua and Jewish Kabbalah --fivetrees 22:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Dont worry. If there's not enough published on the topic for an article now, there will be soon enough. Also, dont forget to use your own User page to compile information. When it starts to shape up, you can move it into a new article then. :) --Haldrik 23:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
But I'm in a worry! :)
  1. First of all it's funny difficulty to show the obvious fact that White colour is White and I see critique of the article presentation FORM, but do not see any argument concerning CONTENTS of the topic.
  2. How to move article to my user page ? Is there such operation or command or tool in Wiki ?--fivetrees 09:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I think I remembered crucial argument for my article. It is in the header. Sincerely Yours--fivetrees 12:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP Sex

Hi, I thought you may be interested in joining WikiProject Sex. It's an exciting new WikiProject which I'm sure has huge potential, but there's a lot of work to be done. So if you feel that you're up to it, please join! Atlantis Hawk 06:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Laitman

Hi Haldrik, I created a stub for Ashpaa here in his user space. I told him I would ask for your help too. Since he's a new editor and English is not his first language he'll likely need our help to get it up to policy standards to get it to pass the undeletion review process. I don't have alot of time now but I plan to edit as I can. Would you mind helping out there? --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 18:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] If you're around

Please comment asap on Palestinian people and in the talk page here. You're requested to solve a dilemma. Amoruso 12:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Any comments ...

... here [5]? Slrubenstein | Talk 13:14, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Review Ebionites Article

Loremaster and I would appreciate it if you would look over the Ebionites article and provide suggestions to get it ready for nomination as a featured article. We recently finished incorporating the suggestions of Slrubenstein from peer review. Slrub suggested you would be a good person to work with to further improve the article and get a diverse perspective. Ovadyah 11:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] please comment here

here: [6] Slrubenstein | Talk 16:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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