Talk:Haiti
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[edit] Clean up
Cleaning up this article has taken me about 10 minutes. Someone should have done it a lot sooner. Adam 04:18, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
"Actually, the venezuelan government led by Hugo Chávez, send humanitarian aid to Haiti for help him on a time of the hurricane success, and he promise to cooperate on the economy of the country." deleted from Aristide as it is poor English and has little relevance to the section. Lucaq 16:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC)lucaq
[edit] Independence
Why do we have the year that France recognized the nation followed by the year that the United States recognized them? Isn't the idea just to list the year in which they were first recognized by another country? Zephyrprince 04:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] World's First Black Independent republic
Any evidence of this? Where's the citation for this claim? I was under the impression that Haiti as a whole was the world's first black independent republic, not just the southern portion ruled by Petion Stanley011 14:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC).
Jdlyall 04:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC) I agree here. The first declaration of independence in 1804 under Dessalines was called a republic. Dessalines later made himself emperor, which contributed to the disaffection among the other generals and ended with his assasination.
Jdlyall 05:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Working on cleaning up further down in the History section following the USA occupation. There is a lot of political bias in the existing text. A lot of anti-Mulatto bias as well. For instance, Dumarsais Estime is called 'first black president' by the previous author. I don't know how to flag *errors of fact* or *evidence of bias* or other things I've seen in the Pedia, but that certainly applies here. There were many black presidents before Estime. Haitians say "dark".
[edit] Coup d'Etat or uprising/rebellion
Jdlyall 04:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC) I have replaced the cited 'coup d'etat' with 'uprising'. The link to "coup d'etat" demonstrated that there was no "coup d'etat" as defined within Wikipedia; that is, by an arm of the state in dissension. This "coup d'etat" is being pushed in the info sphere by a political agenda with anonymous agents.
axgoss 01:40, 20 May 2006 I disagree. I understand that there is some vagueness around the arm of the state. However, The rest definition of coup matches the situation in Haiti almost perfectly in wikipedia:
"A coup d'état (pronounced /ku de'ta/), or simply a coup, is the sudden overthrow of a government through unconstitutional means by a part of the state establishment that mostly replaces just the top power figures. It may or may not be violent in nature. It is different from a revolution, which is staged by a larger group and radically changes the political system."...""A coup consists of the infiltration of a small but critical segment of the state apparatus, which is then used to displace the government from its control of the remainder." In this sense, use of military or other organized force is not the defining feature of a coup d'état."
-What happened in Haiti was "the sudden overthrow of a government through unconstitutional means". The 'uprising' was highly organized and was conducted by former generals of the Haitian state. This is the arm of the state in dissention. The President was removed and subsequently every other level of government was displaced. Basically wikipedia is saying that a coup is the removal of only a few key political leaders with the purpose of displacing government.
-furthermore the term 'uprising' is extremely vague in Wikipedia and refers you to the 'rebellion' page which says rebellion can be: non-violent resistance, resistance, revolution, insurgency, insurrection, revolt, mutiny, subversion OR even, get this, uprising. Of these terms the one that closest resembles the coup in Haiti is insurgency; however, all of the 'rebellion' spin-offs seem to refer to an attack against the state. This was clearly not the intent of the coup in Haiti as its sole purpose was to remove key political figures within the state apparatus and ended immediately after achieving that goal.
[edit] US Invasion
Is this pulled straight from some US propaganda source, such as the CIA`s website on nations? I find the description of the appalling US invasion to be ludicrous in the extreme; even calling it simply "biased" doesn`t do it justice. This really needs to be re-written, badly. Wikipedia articles in general seem to have a habit of painting other nations` invasions accurately as imperialist expeditions, but when the US does it, suddenly evil acts become good, even though they are exactly identical in nature. This behaviour is irrational and should have no place in a supposedly non-biased encyclopedia. The paragraph talking about the US invasion of Haiti is just one bad, straightforward example among many. These weak attempts to whitewash acts of blatant imperialist aggression, murder, and theft are absolute nonsense, or at the least do not belong in an encyclopedic source. Leave that to US textbooks and "official" sources. -- Smyslov 7 June 2006
[edit] Caco?
Why do the search for caco redirect here?
- "Cacos" were Haitians who fought against the occupying forces during the United States occupation of Haiti - Jwillbur 20:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Third Republic?
Does the Republic of Vermont, 1777 to 1791, qulaify as being the second republic after the United States, making Haiti the third? 64.4.235.79 11:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] World's only successful slave revolt??
I have deleted the quote "Haiti's revolution proved to be the only successful slave revolution in history" because its wrong. Who were the Hebrews in Egypt, the hundreds of independent communities of ex-slaves who escaped slavery in the colonies of the Americas or the Mamelukes who overthrew their Ottoman lords and established their rule in Egypt, to name a few notable examples? Do some reading before you make such assertions! Kemet 00:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
I believe what they mean is the overthrow of their rulers and establish their own nation. The Hebrews left Egypt, and the Mamelukes did not rule all of the Ottoman Empire, they took a section of it, which was egypt. GreatChimp 11:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
- It should be more clear then. Right now it says "and the only nation ever having a successful slave revolt" which is wrong. If what was meant was that the slaves were the first to establish their own nation, it should say that. Shadowoftime 22:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Second Independent Country in Americas
This is false. A more correct description would be 'second country that became independent following European colonisation'. Many countries (to use the word loosely) were independent beforehand....the Inca and Aztec civilisations are examples.--Phillip Fung 04:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I do agree but in history books, they would not really call them 'Nations' Caribbean1
- Some Eurocentric textbooks might not consider them nations but it doesn't mean they aren't. Looking at Wikipedia's own Nation definition, the Incan and Aztec Empires were nations. Should we decide that we're going to make an exception for them and consider them non-nations just because there weren't white people in America yet? That doesn't sound look very good reasoning to me. In fact, I'd go further to say that the Incan and Aztec Empires had definite political structures and so are not just Nations but Nation-Sates and therefore most definitly countries. Shadowoftime 22:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Least developed country in the Western hemisphere
What about Sierra Leone? Aren't they less developed?
Oui, but the term Western Hemisphere is more geopolitical term, not a geographical term.Caribbean1 17:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)Caribbean1
- I suppose "least developed country in the Americas" would be more accurate. - Jwillbur 20:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pronunciation
Hate-ee or High-ee-tee?
more like Hay-tee GreatChimp 11:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Hay-ee-tee is more it. CyberAnth 03:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[ha'i:,ti:]. —Nightstallion (?) 01:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed WikiProject
There is now a proposed WikiProject for the Caribbean area, including Haiti, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Caribbean. Interested parties should add their names there so we can determine if there is enough interest to start such a project in earnest. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
