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[edit] "made love to a horse"??
This section perhaps needs some clarification
- Another loser with no life thinking vandalism is clever. They never seem to realize that we can revert vandalism faster than they can write it, so it's pointless to try. Stan 16:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Sudden ending?
to be a problem with this article. It ends quite inexplicably in the year 128, 10 years before his death. It seems that something more must follow, and I thought maybe it had been blanked by a vandal, but I was unable to find it in past revisions. Maybe someone more familiar with the article than I knows where it is. There did seem to be one or two references to his last decade further up in the article, so maybe the whole thing is out of chronological order. Basically I was just trying to find out how the man died. Thanks, Codex Sinaiticus 19:24, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
- There is some useful material in the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica that might be incorporated into the article to fill that gap. You can find it here. /Nicke L 21:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "friend" of Antinous?
It seems well known that these men were lovers. The extreme display of grief by Hadrian following the death of Antinous speaks of a strong emotional connection. Taking a young man as a lover is consistent with the Hellene culture Hadrian was a fan of. Why is it not explicitly stated that these men were lovers when there is so much evidence for this?
[edit] His estate
At Hadrian's villa in Tivoli(?)
So far, 15 steps, each 27 feet wide, have been identified and archaeologists did not rule out uncovering more. [1]
Archaeologists who have been digging for more than a year at the villa of Roman Emperor Hadrian in Tivoli have unearthed a monumental staircase, a statue of an athlete and what appears to be a headless sphinx.
[edit] Persecuter
Is it not highly relevant that Hadrian was a brutal killer of Christians?--Railsmart
===Britannia=== Prior to Hadrian's arrival in Britain there had been a major hanky-panky in Britannia, spanning roughly two years (119-121). It was here he initiated the building of Hadrian's Phallus during 122. The errect phallus was built chiefly to safeguard the frontier province of Britain, by preventing future possible invasions from the northern country of Caledonia (now modern day Scotland). Caledonia was inhabited by humper-monkeys known to the Romans as Caledonians. Hadrian realized that the Caledonians would refuse to suck off the Romans, they were essentially barbarians for the time being. He also was aware that although Caledonia was humpable, the harsh terrain and highlands made the cummings costly and unprofitable for the Empire at large. Thus, he instead decided on building a phallus. Hadrian is perhaps most famous for the construction of this phallus which to date bears his size, furthermore its ruins still span many miles today. In many ways it represents Hadrian's will to hump and ejaculate within the Empire, rather than waging wars and conquering. By the end of 122 he had concluded his visit to Britannia, and from there headed south by sea to Mauretania.
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Read this paragraph. It's pretty funny but also must be changed.
[edit] Barbarians.
I've taken the phrase 'barbarians for the time being' out because it makes no sense. There is no barbarian 'lifestyle'. The Caledonians chose not to be Roman and the Romans defined them as barbarians. That's all there is to be said. Rcpaterson 03:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Where was he born?
- Italica was the birthplace of the Roman Emperors Trajan and Hadrian
- Hadrian was born in Rome to a well-established family which had originated in Picenum in Italy and had subsequently settled in Italica, Hispania Baetica (originally Hispania Ulterior).
--hello,gadren 00:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Italica was Hadrian's patria, ie his family's home town, and some late Roman historians assumed that to be his birthplace, but he himself was born in Rome as is explicitly stated in the Historia Augusta, here almost universally considerd to be reproducing a good late 2nd or early 3rd century source.Cenedi
Birley's biography on Hadrian states that he was born in Flavian Rome. See also the Cambridge Ancient History, 2nd Edition, Vol XI: The Imperial Peace, p. 132.Neoaeolian
[edit] according to Elizabeth Speller...assessment of Hadrian beyond "good" and "bad"
Elizabeth Speller, while an accomplished novelist, was certainly not the first to remark on the complex character of Hadrian that comes down to us from ancient works. The difficulty of categorizing Hadrian as a "good" or "bad" emperor, even by ancient biographical sources that often had a penchant for moralizing caricature, was remarked upon as far back as Gibbon. See Gibbon's Decline and Fall (Methuen ed. 1909, p. 83) "Hadrian was, by turns, an excellent prince, a ridiculous sophist, and a jealous tyrant." While I have nothing against Mrs. Speller, the appearance should not be given that that observation was her original creation. Having the article read "according to Elizabeth Speller.." does give the impression of originality. Seeing that Mrs. Speller's authority on the subject rests on her novel "Following Hadrain" which is itself somewhat of a derivative work (of Marguerite Yourcenar's "Memoirs of Hadrian", an altogether superior work), I am hesitant to award to Mrs. Speller the credit for the observation.
Unless someone can persuade me otherwise, I will change the article to something more reasonable towards all of the Hadrian scholarship that has come before Mrs. Speller's time.
